[Travelandtourism] Good morning all something not very happy with over at COSTCO on Monday

Wed Feb 22 14:00:33 UTC 2012

Well, and I think this will give new york the impetus we need and 
justification to add those criminal laws and get rid of the law that says we 
must show proof of our service animals.

I cannot believe Costco says it's a private club.

Margo ndArrow
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From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Good morning all something not very happy 
with over at COSTCO on Monday

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>
> Thank you WAGDU president. Here in NY we do not have a criminal law about 
> this, and bravo for Marion Gwizdala and Margo Downey, my state president 
> here in NY, NYAGDU.
> I hope that all works out.
> I did post this also to GDF, my school where I got my dog, and some puppy 
> raisers are saying that they never had an issue in costco.  But guess what 
> they are puppy raisers.
> Heading out for the day will keep you all posted as things progress.
> And yes, this does have to do with travel.
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>> From: blinddog3 at charter.net
>> To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:36:56 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Good morning all something not very happy 
>> with over at COSTCO on Monday
>>
>> Cheryl, very interesting.  Although they may be indeed private, they do 
>> not
>> have exclusive membership as we both know as anyone from the public can
>> become a member if they choose.  This is much like Sam's Club, and 
>> related
>> big box membership stores.  Oh, I can't wait to hear what happens. 
>> Thanks
>> for the update.  And, this folks is why we need to work with our State 
>> NAGDU
>> Divisions along with the National Leadership.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President (Wisconsin)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: travelandtourism-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:travelandtourism-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl 
>> echevarria
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:54 AM
>> To: travelandtourism; nyagdu
>> Subject: [Travelandtourism] Good morning all something not very happy 
>> with
>> over at COSTCO on Monday
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am posting this to not only the NYAGDU (NY State Division of the 
>> National
>> Association of Guide Dog Users), but also to the Travel and Tourism
>> Division), both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind.
>> Traveling is also traveling with accessible entrance to all locations, 
>> with
>> cane, sighted guide, as well as, guide dog, or other forms of mobility 
>> that
>> one is comfortable with.
>> This past Monday, Presidents Day, Nelson, Maxx (my guide  dog) and 
>> myself,
>> did our bi-monthly shopping of Costco, if some of you do not know what
>> COSTCO is, it is one of the those membership stores where you buy in 
>> bulk,
>> we don't buy a lot because it is the 2 of us, and I also buy dog food 
>> there.
>> We have been members of Costco for over 12 years.
>> When we entered the store after showing our membership card, the lady at 
>> the
>> door, asked to see my dogs certification paperwork.
>> Now for those who are not blind and do not know the ADA laws, first there 
>> is
>> no  paperwork for a guide dog, and certified, just no such thing.  The
>> schools must be licensed just like any other business, in fact, some 
>> train
>> there own guide dogs, so this statement that the lady made, was 
>> incorrect,
>> also the training for the dog makes it a guide dog.
>> From there, I said that I am just going to speak to the store's manager,
>> since I had been in this situation prior, but the manager always 
>> apologized
>> for the incorrect way the person talk to me, and also that the employees
>> didn't know better.
>> That day was different, the manager, told me that it was correct that I 
>> need
>> to show paperwork on my dog that he is a guide dog, now, I am standing in
>> front of him with dark glasses that blind people wear, and guide dog in
>> harness.
>> I stated that there is no such  thing, what makes the dog a guide dog, or
>> for anyone else that is disabled, is the disability and the training that
>> the dog gets to be a service animal, he proceeded to tell me that others
>> have shown him this paperwork, again, what paperwork. I stated not only 
>> am I
>> a graduate of the Guide Dog Foundation of Smithtown, that was less then 5
>> minutes away from this location, but that I am a member of that National
>> Association of Guide Dog Users, a proud division of the National 
>> Federation
>> of the Blind, and we are one of the organizations that help make and 
>> enforce
>> the ADA laws pertaining to this.  He basically almost called me a liar, 
>> he
>> said that I am not going to continue the conversation.
>> He did not tell me I had to leave, but I want to the customer service 
>> desk
>> with my husband to get the corporate phone number, I tried to call on my
>> cell phone while I was there, but the reception was really bad, and so we
>> did shop, and then when we got home I made the calls.
>> My first was to customer service, the young lady on the phone that her
>> immediate supervisor said that was the policy of Costco to ask for the
>> paperwork, she gave me his name, I was writing all of this down, so that 
>> I
>> could give to Marion Gwizdala, President of NAGDU, and Margo Downey,
>> President of the NY affiliate of NAGDU (NYAGDU).
>> I was then given the number to call for the legal department, when I did
>> this they said that I couldn't speak to anyone but that I was given the 
>> name
>> of the Regional Vice President of the Area.  I called him, and he was not
>> there, so I left him a detailed message.
>> Within a half and hour, the General Manager, at the store that I went to,
>> called me back, and it sounded like he was forced to apologize to me, he
>> didn't realize that I left the store, or the fact that I was actually 
>> blind.
>> I informed him, that I never left the store, but went to get the phone
>> numbers that I needed, and did shop.  He began to make excuses for 
>> himself,
>> that he was following training procedures, and that he said, that a 
>> service
>> animal must have a harness on or a blanket, or something indicated that 
>> they
>> are working dogs. I also corrected him on that  saying, that is not 
>> correct,
>> I can come into this store without a cape, harness, etc on the dog, and 
>> the
>> only thing you can ask me is that a working dog/service, guide dog, and 
>> what
>> service does the dog provide.
>> He was very patronizing still.
>> I didn't hear from his Vice President until after 5pm when he was in his 
>> car
>> driving home from work.
>> The man kept saying, that is should be obvious that someone is blind and
>> common sense, but I stated, not always, I do not always wear my dark
>> glasses, not all blind people are totally blind.  There are also some 
>> people
>> who are not blind that use a service animal, children that are autistic,
>> diabetic, seizure, deaf, etc.  It is not always a characteristic of the
>> person, to have something that  identifies them as being disabled, and 
>> you
>> are not allowed to ask the disability either.
>> He also said, that he hates enforcing policy, I said it is not costco's
>> policy it is the ADA law.  I  was trying to give him our National Hotline
>> for NAGDU, and if anyone every has questions about Guide Dogs, ADA, etc, 
>> our
>> Hotline number is 1-888-NAGDU-411 or 1-888-624-3841, that is how I found 
>> out
>> he was on his car phone on the way home, he told me that he couldn't take
>> the number because he was driving home from work.  Gee, I was really
>> important to speak to on this. I mentioned that in NY State it is a civil
>> violation of our law, other states have criminal laws in reference to 
>> these
>> violations.
>> After this, I informed the people who needed to know such as Marion and
>> Margo.  Mr. Gwizdala, first contact the Costco in his area, and asked 
>> there
>> policy, he was told basically the same thing, as myself, he also got the
>> corporate information, and has been in talks with Costco in Seattle.  It
>> seems that they are saying that they are a private organization and that 
>> you
>> need to pay a membership to go there and that they are outside the ADA.
>> FYI, if that is true, which it is not, then I cannot take my dog to my 
>> gym,
>> it is a private membership, or go to a restaurant you have to pay to eat
>> there, or go to a movie or theater.  So that I couldn't go anywhere with 
>> my
>> dog.
>> I would say if you are a guide dog user, or even if you use a service
>> animal, and the laws have changed to what kind of animal is considered a
>> service dog.
>> It cannot be a comfort dog, it cannot be the dog you carry around in your
>> pocketbook.  It also must be either a dog, or a guide horse, no cats, 
>> birds,
>> snakes, monkeys, etc any more.  You must have a valid medical disability
>> that you can get one.  So many disabilities and illnesses can qualify for 
>> a
>> service animal now.
>> Stayed tuned for more
>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>> 631-456-5394
>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>
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>> http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com
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