[Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking

Sat Dec 28 01:03:47 UTC 2013

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-------- Original message --------
From: Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net>
Date:12/27/2013  7:13 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: 'NFB Travel and Tourism Division List' <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking

It is control shift R with JAWS to reply to all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Travelandtourism [mailto:travelandtourism-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 3:48 PM
To: travelandtourism
Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking

Well I am trying to find out since I use Zoomtext and not screen reader.

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> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:32:32 -0500
> From: mwertman72 at gmail.com
> To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
>
> I know I have not participated much here, but Peter is right. Not to
> mention that the reply to all command is different depending on what
> email program you use and their are a lot of people who don't know how
> to do it. If you are wanting people to reply to all perhaps you need
> to explain to them how it is done.
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:06:04 -0600
> "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Cheryl and everyone,
> >
> > Better yet stress the importance of those folks subscribing to this
> > list so the messages are received even if someone fails to hit the
"Reply to All."
> > If they were interested in receiving these messages they would
> > subscribe to this list. Perhaps you would do well to stress the
> > importance of their subscribing to this list and spend less time
> > hounding those of us participating before we disappear in to thin air
please!
> >
> > Peter Donahue
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell"
> > <derek2872 at yahoo.com>; "Jo Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl
> > Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>; "Mark` Riccobono" <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> >
> >
> > Again, Peter, if you please and the rest of us.
> > If you can select reply all to the responses, they not only go to
> > Travel & Tourism Division, but also a number of the officers of the
> > division, for whatever reason are yet to be on our talk list, as
> > well as, this is going to NYAGDU, the NY Association of Guide Dog Users,
and other leaders in the NFB.
> > I am not sure what the control options for a screen reader is for
> > this, but I hope that when responding that you all will comply. Thank
you.
> > Well, maybe also we can combine our efforts with out disability
> > organizations, I am actively working with SATH.org - Society of
> > Accessible Travel & Hospitality, as well as, Association of Airline
> > Passengers Rights, which I am also a member of the others.
> > If we get these resolutions to pass, and if we can get the airlines
> > at least in the US to comply, then we wont have to look for
> > alternatives in flying, like private jet services.
> > Cheryl
> >
> > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best
> > in Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatrav
> > el.com
> >
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> > Secretary of the NFB of Alabama
> >
> > > From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> > > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:46:55 -0600
> > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > >
> > > Hello Cheryl and everyone,
> > >
> > >     Perhaps this needs to be attacked on two fronts. The
> > > resolution and working with the DOT to set a required seat width
> > > to accommodate all passengers including large ones and to insure
> > > that passengers traveling with guide dogs will have enough room to
> > > accommodate the dog in the cabin particularly large dogs.
> > >
> > >     The second way to address this issue is for us as individuals
> > > to investigate additional sources of income to among other things
> > > be able to travel privately or in first class so we and our guide
> > > dogs can fly in comfort. Starting a business such as a travel
> > > agency is one idea. There are many other ways to supplement one's
> > > income so we can fly the way we wish without endurring  the
> > > treatment received by airlines. Increasing our income to allow us
> > > to fly privately is something we as individuals will need to
> > > address. The next time someone invites you to investigate a
> > > money-making opportunity remember this thread and decide with it in
mind.
> > >
> > > Peter Donahue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Marc Maurer"
> > > <officeofthepresident at nfb.org>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell"
> > > <derek2872 at yahoo.com>; "Jo Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl
> > > Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>; "Mark` Riccobono"
> > > <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 12:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > >
> > >
> > > When everyone responds, please reply all. I really appreciate it.
> > > Peter Donahue, I do hope as well, that our resolution has a lot of
meat to
> > > it, I have been asking the Travel & Tourism members and officers to
work
> > > on
> > > this, but with the holidays, it has gone to the way side.
> > > But it is time to start working again, especially, we need to get our
> > > thoughts on this resolution in time for the join meeting with NAGDU
> > > sometime
> > > in January.
> > > I agree with you Peter, many people who are overweight have this
issue, in
> > > fact, this was big news a few months ago when an obese teenager flew
from
> > > France to the Mayo Clinic for treatment, now is he obese due to a
medical
> > > condition and not from eating all day long, etc. He came here from
France
> > > on
> > > British Airways. but when he was going home they gave him a very hard
> > > time,
> > > and then on the Eurostar train service from England to France because
of
> > > safety rules, so instead. he was being taken across the English
Channel by
> > > ferry.
> > > I have dealt with a weight issue all my life. But again, mine is also
from
> > > a
> > > medical issue and not from over eating and not working out.
> > > At the time Peter, maybe Marion Gwizdala (NAGDU) or other divisions,
> > > didn't
> > > think it was serious enough to look at since it wasn't a blindness
related
> > > issue, and until it affected guide dogs, then maybe we will get
involved.
> > > I
> > > am a board member of NYAGDU, and a guide dog user.
> > > When writing up a resolution we have to think about all the areas of
it.
> > > Peter as far as I am concerned and this division, we haven't heard
anyone
> > > seeking other forms of flying transportation, accept for then Mark
Sloan,
> > > which by the way, I haven't heard from him in over a year, and some of

> > > other
> > > people as well.
> > > If people can afford private jets to get places, that is fine, but the
> > > majority of the average person cannot afford that, even the airlines
> > > itself,
> > > many people cannot afford to pay for them.
> > > Cheryl
> > >
> > >
> > > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in
> > > Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > >
Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> > >
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> > > for
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Alabama
> > >
> > > > From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> > > > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:50:21 -0600
> > > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > > >
> > > > Good morning Cheryl and everyone,
> > > >
> > > >     I warned about this several years ago. No one including Marion
> > > > Gwizdala
> > > > took me seriously when I told him and others that shrinking airplane

> > > > seats
> > > > would not only pose a travel barrier for large passengers but could
> > > > jeopardize our ability to keep our guide dogs in the cabin with us
when
> > > > we
> > > > fly. Perhaps this airline resolution that has been discussed here
should
> > > > address the issue of less seat room and how it is creating problems
for
> > > > passengers that travel with guide dogs. It's no wonder that some of
us
> > > > are
> > > > searching for flying options other than the airlines.
> > > >
> > > > Peter Donahue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > > > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Marc Maurer"
> > > > <officeofthepresident at nfb.org>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > > > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > > > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell"
<derek2872 at yahoo.com>;
> > > > "Jo
> > > > Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl Jacobsen"
<office at nfbny.org>;
> > > > "Gary
> > > > Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Mark` Riccobono"
<mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 11:34 AM
> > > > Subject: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are many commercials out there, that are making fun of these
> > > > issues,
> > > > but they are happening, especially with airlines that do not belong
to
> > > > IATA
> > > > such as Southwest and Spirit Airlines, and some others.  Some have
heard
> > > > me
> > > > talk about IATA and some do not know what this is. I will be posting

> > > > this
> > > > not only to Travel & Tourism, but to NAGDU and to some leaders in
the
> > > > organization.
> > > > Would love to hear your feedback on this subject.
> > > > Yes, you are not going crazy or getting bigger and heavier. The fact
is
> > > > that, the airlines are trying to take as much room as possible from
the
> > > > space they already have on the planes, and add more seats. They make

> > > > more
> > > > money because the get more passengers. The airlines can take a 150
> > > > passenger
> > > > plane and move the seats in and add up to 178 passengers.
> > > > How do they do this, they take away the leg room, and for some of us

> > > > this
> > > > is
> > > > way to tight, even though that are not overweight will have issues
> > > > breathing
> > > > or even relaxing on a 3 hour flight, like to Orlando in Fl.
> > > > Airlines such as Southwest and Spirit are already doing this, and
> > > > charging
> > > > more for it as well.
> > > > Now for those of us, who are also more than just blind or use guide
> > > > dogs,
> > > > how do we fit in, or where is the under the seat space, supposedly
our
> > > > dogs
> > > > and lie in when they force us to stick dogs under the seat in front
of
> > > > us,
> > > > well we wont be able to like this.
> > > > What do you think?  Let us know.
> > > > Also I mentioned an organization called IATA, which stands for
> > > > International
> > > > Air Transport Association,  is the trade association for the world's
> > > > airlines. It represents some 240 airlines or more than 80% of total
air
> > > > traffic. IATA supports airline activity and helps formulate industry
> > > > policy
> > > > and standards. It is headquartered in Montreal, Canada with
Executive
> > > > Offices in Geneva, Switzerland
> > > > "IATA provides consulting and training services in many areas
crucial to
> > > > aviation.Travel Agent accreditation is available for travel
> > > > professionals.
> > > > Full accreditation allows agents to sell tickets on behalf of all
IATA
> > > > member airlines.Cargo Agent accreditation is a similar program.IATA
also
> > > > runs the Billing and Settlement Plan, which is a $300 billion-plus
> > > > financial
> > > > system that looks after airline money.And it provides a number of
> > > > business
> > > > intelligence publications and services.Training covers all aspects
of
> > > > aviation and ranges from beginner courses through to senior
management
> > > > courses."
> > > > The majority of all the airlines belong to this organization, as
well
> > > > as,
> > > > travel professionals, like yours truly can apply for card with them.
I
> > > > have
> > > > enough association cards, that allow me to book my clients, they are

> > > > also
> > > > very expense to get an association with them for someone who is a
home
> > > > based
> > > > agent.
> > > > For more about IATA - here is a link for all the information on
them.
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Air_Transport_Association
> > > > Many of the Host Agencies have them, so you don't personally needs
them.
> > > > Southwest and Spirit do not belong to this organization, they have a
> > > > choice
> > > > to do this, but if they were, they would have to comply with certain
> > > > standards, which they don't. So if you are contacting a travel
> > > > professional
> > > > and they say they cannot book Southwest or Spirit, it is because
they do
> > > > not
> > > > belong to this organization. So in short, no more leg room, you must
sit
> > > > up
> > > > like a board, and I know myself, if I sit up that straight, it will
> > > > prevent
> > > > me from doing other things, like maybe doing some work on the plane,
or
> > > > like
> > > > I said where do I put my dog, in the overhead area. That would be
funny.
> > > > NOT!
> > > > Cheryl Echevarria, PresidentNFB Travel & Tourism
> > > > Divisioninfo at nfbtravel.org631-236-5138www.nfbtravel.orgfacebook
page:
> > > > NFB
> > > > Travel & TourismTwitter: nfbtraveltour1
> > > >
> > > > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best
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> > > > Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > > >
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