From joeharcz at comcast.net Tue May 1 00:36:45 2012 From: joeharcz at comcast.net (joe harcz Comcast) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Letter from NFB Merchants to EOC References: <728F0B0BD98C479995E48C7C279D2300@Reputercat> Message-ID: This is one of the most well written if not most well received, sadly, things I've ever read. It goes not only to the BEP program hhere, but, also to fundamentals of democracy and even basics of fair play. In a word, things are simply "goofy" here in Michigan. And one need not be a noted member of either NFB, nor of ACB and nor of the CIA for that matter to figure out that the system is run by sellouts and other ne'er do wells to say the least. Mr. Eagle's words here are not only articulate and profound, but ecoe around the nation. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Sontag To: VENDORSMI List Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 12:55 PM Subject: [Vendorsmi] Letter from NFB Merchants to EOC I am pleased to share with you the following letter from Terry Eagle, President of the National Association of Blind Merchants of Michigan to the Elected Operators' Committee. EOC leadership has been going to some trouble lately to imply that our organization does not represent the best interests of the Business Enterprise Program and its operators. What's wrong with the ideas below? Your comments are welcome. Dear Elected Operators' Committee Members I am writing on behalf of our association membership. This communication is in response to a planned meeting with Mr. Zimmer with select members of the EOC, with absolutely no discussion on the matter by the entire body, which appears strange at best to have a meeting that claims to be representative of the elected body. Additionally, we are responding because of reference by Mr. Essenberg, that the views of the organized blind of the NFB, and NFBMM somehow do not reflect the views of blind licensees. We do not reasonably understand how such a conclusion could be reached, absent any discussion or consensus on the topic of the executive order by the entire EOC representative body. Below you will be introduced to what we refer to as the baker's dozen of core values, principles, and best business and program practices, which summarize our views for the administration of the Michigan Business Enterprise Program. As a collective organization of blind business persons, we envision a Business Enterprise Pro gram that provides meaningful and financially rewarding business opportunities for the blind, including the following: 1. Program management that are qualified, and competent in business planning and management, financial and other resource management that is responsible, transparent, and accountable, knowledge and appreciation of the skills and abilities associated with blindness, the ability to inspire and build teamwork and personal achievement, and the ability to administer in a fair, transparent, and accountable manner, with uniform application and compliance with state and federal program laws, rules and regulations, policies and procedures; 2. Routinely and timely provide training materials, policy and procedure manuals, memorandum and letters, documents and records, plans and proposals, announcements, meeting agendas and minutes, and other printed and electronic materials in a useable format for the blind, including Braille and large print, according to identified individual preference, in compliance with applicable laws, rules and regulations, policies and procedures; 3. Business locations that offer a blind licensee a profitable business return and independent living income, and contributing to society with many talents and skills, and financially contributing to federal, state, and municipal treasuries, through payments of self-employment, income, sales and employer taxes, rather than being tax takers on public social welfare programs; 4. Innovative up-to-date facilities that reflect current trends in the industry and are appealing and inviting to guests and potential guests; 5. Ongoing evaluation and development of new and existing business locations, for the expansion of the program, and profitable business opportunities and independent living income generation for the blind; 6. Equipment for business efficiency and profitability, that reflect excellence in selection of appropriateness, functionality, and adequate for the business type and plan, with routine and ongoing maintenance, repair, and replacement, to achieve maximum profitability through emerging business innovation, industry trends, and use of technology in the business, that is accessible by blind licensees, employees, and guests; 7. Adequate level of inventory and profitable product mix and selection; 8. appropriate, adequate, and meaningful initial and ongoing in-service training, including a program position dedicated for the sole purpose of training of blind persons as potential licensees, and the ongoing in-service training of licensees; 9. The utilization of the Business Enterprise Support Team (BEST), for newly placed licensees, and existing licensees experiencing identifiable business or personal challenges and training needs; 10. Supportive promotional staff that are qualified in business, and are appropriately, and adequately trained, including knowledge of skills and abilities associated with blindness, to support and timely respond to licensee and business location needs; 11. Establishment and operation of a transparent, easily accessible and verifiable, fair, and uniformly applied system for performance evaluation, promotion and seniority point award and record-keeping system, and program facility placement promotion and transfer policies and procedures; 12. A fair, unbiased, ethical, timely and responsive due process administrative review and hearing system to address, attempt to resolve, and adjudicate complaints and grievances of licensees and potential blind licensees, in the administration of the Business enterprise Program, including providing records, documents, exhibits, transcripts, notices and administrative law judge recommended and final agency decisions, and other printed and electronic materials in a useable format for the blind, including Braille and large print, according to identified individual preference, in compliance with applicable laws, rules and regulations, policies and procedures, to achieve meaningful accessibility and substantive and procedural due process; 13. Fairly and uniformly applied program laws, rules and regulations, policies and procedures, to all program licensees, trainees, potential licensees, and program staff, without regard to affiliation, viewpoint, advocacy, disability, religion, creed, national origin, age, race, gender, marital status, or sexual orientation. Over the past five years, Failure to fairly and uniformly operate the Business Enterprise Program under these core values, principles, and best business and public service standards and practices, without of favoritism and contempt for a person's affiliation or a person expressing his or her views, and speaking out against wrongdoing, has lead to and created an environment resulting in distrust of the Commission administration, program management, and Elected Operators' Committee to act in the best interest of the Business enterprise Program, potential and existing blind licensees, and blind persons in general, including those blind individuals on a list of available, qualified, and eager to work as temporary licensees, and disregarded in favor of sighted persons being employed, using and loss of resources intended for blind persons to be gainfully employed. A distrust by and between licensees, staff, management , and members of the Elected Operators; Committee, resulting in poor or non-existent communication, breakdown in cooperation and lack of teamwork, and obvious apathy, non-involvement, and a management created sense of fear of intimidation, retaliation, and threat of and actual unfair removal of licenses from the blind only. This environment is compounded by the use of untrained, unmonitored, unaccountable sighted persons running program facilities, whom ran down the business and inventory, and making away with inventory funds , set-aside funds, and other financial , legal, and treasury obligation funds, while blind licensees were ripped from their facilities, businesses, and livelihood, while absolutely no compliance, removal, or financial accountability and recovery action has been taken against sighted licensees as of this date. The Commission administration and Business Enterprise Program management do not stand alone with regard to the creation and advancement of the current environment that surrounds the low morale, apathy, and distrust within the program. The Elected Operators' Committee bears equal responsibility for the environment that exists. Here are a few examples of Elected Operators' Committee actions that have contributed to the current environment. The most recent and ongoing is the inclusion of some EOC members in discussions, meeting, and decisions, while other members are excluded on important issues and decisions facing the program and operators future livelihood. This situation includes the involvement of program management in the drafting and "approval" of official EOC communications, and not informing all EOC members of the intended action, and not permitting an opportunity for input by all EOC members. Next, Mr. ESSenberg stated that, "Our body [the EOC] has stayed relatively silent on the subject of the Governor's order, because we were told when the initial order came out not to contact the Governor's office regarding that topic." First, it is abundantly true the EOC has remained silent, had no discussions, or formulated and adopted a position on the governor's executive order, and any statement on the impact it will bring upon the program and the livelihood of blind licensees, or any recommendations for most positive steps, if any, in the implementation of the intended action. Further, Mr. Essenberg wrote, "I am writing to you on behalf of the Chair of the Elected Operators Committee James Chaney, and the other ten members of the committee, including myself." Since Mr. Essenberg's statement above is true, then how is it possible for a few to write on behalf of the other ten members? Moreover, how is it possible to meet with Mr. Zimmer on a topic, claiming to represent the consensus of the entire EOC, and present a viewpoint and possible solutions, when, in reality, the entire body has remained silent on the topic of the executive order? Additionally, how can the best interest of blind licensees be openly discussed and represented with the program manager and assistant manager in attendance? Given these facts and questions, at best, only the personal views and opinions of a select few EOC members and program management can be represented. And are these not the same individuals scheduled to meet with Mr. Zimmer that met with MR. Arwood over a year ago, and were supposed to have additional meetings that never took place? and during that one meeting being informed by Mr. Arwood, in clear unambiguous language, what actions were required and expected for improvement of the Business Enterprise Program. Was not the ball fumbled and lost by these individuals regarding this serious matter? And now, these same select program management and EOC leaders of blind licensees claim to represent the best interests of the entire EOC and blind licensees, and expect the blind to entrust their future careers and livelihood to the views, judgment, and actions of these select individuals? Where have these representative individuals been during the past sixty plus days? Are they elected advocates for and of the best interests of blind licensees? That is what the program enabling legislation and implementing regulations and administrative rules envisioned and mandated by creation of the committee of blind licensees, and guaranteeing "active participation" in decision-making that affect blind licensees, in the administration of the program. Nowhere is remaining silent mentioned, encouraged, suggested or demanded in the creation and role of the committee of blind licensees. This especially is true with regard to a topic with a life-altering and potentially devastating impact upon the program and future careers and livelihoods of blind licensees. Mr. Essenberg wrote, ". . . we were told when the initial order came out not to contact the Governor's office regarding that topic.". DO you as the EOC leadership, care to disclose who the "we" are in "we were told . . ." statement, and by whom were "we told . . ."? This type of incomprehensible and nonsensical explanation and advocacy inaction on this unprecedented serious topic further erodes the confidence of blind licensees to trust the judgment and motives of their elected representative body, and only reinforces the common belief among blind licensees that their elected representatives act at the beckon call of unidentified individuals, and doing whatever those unidentified individuals say to do, in return for personal favoritism of a select few, while ignoring the duty to advocate for the best interests of all blind licensees. We believe such blind licensee distrust and apathy is best and most recently demonstrated by the poor licensee attendance at the annual workshop, and moreover, the poor participation in voting in the election of EOC members. The truth is that blind licensees believe they do not have a voice or representation in the active participation in their futures and the administration of their program. Blind licensees believe their program and futures have been hijacked, and the program is on a course of crash and burn to incineration where nothing remains of the Business enterprise Program. The National Association of Blind Merchants of Michigan, and the National Federation of the Blind collectively do not share that belief and assessment of the future of the Business Enterprise Program. That is why over the past sixty plus days we have undertaken a passionate campaign to meet and have an ongoing conversation with elected and administration officials, to share with them our stories, desires and dreams, ideas and suggestions, on the importance and continued future of the Commission and Business Enterprise Program. We will continue this campaign until the best interests of blind citizens and blind licensees are served. We believe, at this point our collective, visible, in-person contacts have had a substantial impact on the decision to rescind the executive order to date. We are under no illusion that this matter has disappeared, and we continue to be diligent in our efforts to bring about the best result for the blind of Michigan . As the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind citizens and blind merchants, we are highly recognized for our expertise in matters of blindness and the administration of the Randolph-Sheppard vending facility program, and vocational rehabilitation programs for the blind. Mr. Essenberg wrote that, "Their [the NFB's] viewpoints may not be representative of all of our 79 vendors." . Admittedly, while we the organized blind do not pretend to represent each and every blind licensee as members of the National Association of Blind Merchants of Michigan, our views and expertise on matters of concern to blind licensees do in fact represent the views and positions of a vast majority of blind licensees, and include our views in the above baker's dozen of core values, principles, and best business and program practices, With regard to the administration of the Michigan Business Enterprise Program for the blind. Several members and supporters remember at time in the past when the BEP in Michigan was guided and governed by core values, principles, and best business and program practices very similar to, and a reflection of the baker's dozen above, and as a result Michigan ranked in the top five Business Enterprise Programs in the nation, demonstrating excellence in virtually all measurable program indicators. This was achieved by always asking the following question in all matters of the BEP and EOC: "How will this be beneficial for blind vendors and the program?". Today, sadly and unfortunately, Michigan ranks near the bottom, and is the butt of many jokes throughout the country. Is there any wonder or doubt about why the Business Enterprise Program in Michigan is under a microscope, and the survival of the program hangs in the balance? In Closing, we the organized blind of the National Association of Blind merchants of Michigan , strongly urge you to not repeat the previous performance that resulted from the 2011 meeting with Mr. Arwood. We urge you , before meeting with Mr. Zimmer, to reevaluate a meeting with any number fewer than the entire EOC being present, and only EOC members attend any meetings with MR. Zimmer. Also, since the EOC has remained silent and inactive on the matter of Executive Order 2012-2, we strongly suggest a full, open, and transparent discussion of the issues involved, and the formulation of a consensus position, about the desired future program. Finally, we offer our baker's dozen outlined above, as an effective framework for the desired future Business Enterprise Program in Michigan. Respectfully, Terry D. Eagle, President National Association of Blind Merchants of Michigan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Vendorsmi mailing list Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Vendorsmi: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suncat0 at gmail.com Thu May 3 22:45:34 2012 From: suncat0 at gmail.com (Joe Sontag) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:45:34 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Fwd: Concerns Message-ID: <0BF9DD6FED0C4E449CED8AE37BABAE06@Reputercat> ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Eagle To: 'Joe Sontag' Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 16:13 Subject: FW: Fwd: Concerns -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steven langtry [mailto:risasteve92 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:09 AM To: fred wurtzel; terry eagle; risa patrick-langtry Subject: Fw: Fwd: Concerns ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Andrea Nelson To: risasteve92 at yahoo.com Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 2:39:58 PM Subject: Fwd: Concerns Andrea Nelson ------Original Message------ From: Drea To: "James Chaney" Date: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:22:49 PM GMT-0400 Subject: Concerns James, After reading the emails sent by Bob in regards to the meeting scheduled for Tuesday I am concerned and confused. My curiousity has gotten to me as to why we are bringing only a select few to this meeting and not others? Will this meeting be accessable by telephone? And why a was the letter requesting the meeting edited and revised by BEP staff? If we as an EOC are requesting this meeting then it should be us who write the letter and US who are at the meeting. I have been working very hard in regards to the concerns about the EO 2012-2 and will plan to do the same for EO 2012-6. Please keep me informed from here on out as this finding out about meetings that I was not invited to needs to stop. As an EOC member and active NFB member, I will be looking at the operators needs at all times. Thats our job thats what we signed up for. Please give us a chance to do our jobs. I by no means want you to view this as an attack on you, but rather a notice that I am here and would like ot know whats going on and be involved. Thank you Andrea Andrea Nelson Nelekona Foods 269-612-8704 "Have an awesome day!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suncat0 at gmail.com Thu May 3 22:45:12 2012 From: suncat0 at gmail.com (Joe Sontag) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:45:12 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Letter from NABM of Michigan Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Eagle" To: "'Joe Sontag'" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 13:58 Subject: FW: Letter from NABM of Michigan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Merchants NFBM [mailto:merchants.nfbm at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 1:51 PM > To: zimmerm > Subject: Letter from NABM of Michigan > > Wednesday, May 2, 2012 > > Dear Mr. Zimmer: > > I am writing on behalf of the membership of our organization, the > National Association of Blind Merchants of Michigan, a state affiliate > of our national organization. As the nation's oldest and largest of > Randolph-Sheppard Program and other blind merchants, we have a rich > history of supporting, advocating for, and positively enriching and > advancing the careers and independent living of our membership and all > persons, gained over several decades by the organized blind-the > National Federation of the Blind. Our activities as blind merchants > reach across our great nation, and encompass activities from the halls > of Congress, to the office of state legislatures and public office > holders, to the local blind merchant networking and support groups. > Our membership brings together collectively hundreds of years of > business ownership and operation experience, as well as decades of > combined public sector management and administration career > experience. Our members include many who are enjoying the benefits of > retirement, after lengthy careers as merchants, to the trainee, or > employee, to the newly blind individual and blind youth who are > exploring their future career options. We believe networking, > mentoring, and advocacy are key to a fast-start and successful ongoing > business career. We continuously strive to bring together the > immeasurable value of the multiple-year business owner and public > servant, to the awe inspiring enthusiasms and creative ideas of youth. > > We are under no illusion that our membership includes all blind > merchants, or express and represent the views of all blind merchants; > however, we believe we do represent the best interests and viewpoint > of a vast majority of the business community of the blind. We believe > this is evidenced by our growing membership, record attendance at > conventions and business seminars as well as representation on the > Elected Operators' Committee, The Ad Hoc Committee on Business > Enterprise Program Issues, the MCB Consumer Involvement Council, the > Commission for the Blind Board, and our visibility and effective > advocacy on matters having an impact on the quality of life of blind > citizens. > > Our organization understands that you met privately with a small group > of self-selected blind individuals along with the management of the > Business Enterprise Program, claiming to represent the official views > and positions of the entire Elected Operators' Committee, absent any > discussion or formulation of views and positions by the entire elected > body. Because our organization, including our members who are also > members of the Elected Operators' Committee, are not privy to any view > or position presented to you by the self-selected individuals, we are > not in any position to evaluate or comment on the merits of any > information presented by them. > > Because of the serious nature, and we believe genuine threat to the > future of the careers and livelihood of blind business owners in > Michigan, resulting from yet unresolved issues inherent in Executive > Order 2012-2, we find it necessary to further advance our firmly held > beliefs, and our undying dedication to preserve and advance the > employment opportunities gained over several decades; gains hard > fought for by our members, those such as our founding members of the > 1940s-the Great Generation-a passing generation, many who are our > parents, like my 92 year-old mother, and our aunts and uncles, > grandparents, and the current generations of brothers and sisters, > sons and daughters, nieces and nephews, cousins and grandchildren of > several generations. Collectively we have gone from > institutionalized, to sheltered workshops, earning pennies on > piece-work jobs, to begging and selling pencils on street corners, and > from sub-minimum wages door-to-door selling of sweatshop blind-made > products, to minimum wage entry-level dead-end jobs, to today's > college educated business owners and employers of many--the small > business person, whom the public are told by politicians, are the > movers-and shakers-the backbone that supports and advances the > economy, even during the states' and nation's best and worst economic > cycles. Our equal economic and employment and business opportunity > challenges have been monumental, and our dedication and gains have > been equally monumental. Challenging financial periods will come and > go, and so will political administrations come and go from the seat of > power, but one thing will consistently and continually be present--our > presence and dedication to preserving and advancing the quality of > life for all blind persons, and in particular, the state and federal > gains related to business opportunity programs for the blind. This is > not a Republican, Democrat, or Independent affiliation issue. Simply > stated, this an issue about blind persons having a significant role in > the design and outcome of their future careers and quality of life. It > is about quality jobs verses welfare recipients, period. We have come > too far and become too educated to return to a welfare status as blind > persons. And we are dedicated to use our vast human and other > resources we have acquired to preserve and advance our gains over the > decades. > > Given that background and intentions, we desire to introduce our > long-held core values, principles, and best business and program > practices for the Michigan Commission for the Blind Business > Enterprise Program. Because of the relationship and focus on the food > service business, we commonly refer to the position statements as the > NFBMM Baker's Dozen of core values, principles, and best practices. > > Along our current journey, we have been informed that a few in the > current administration hold a belief that the blind themselves, and > the three decade structure of administering services and programs for > the blind, are the root of the many challenges facing the Commission > for the Blind, and in particular the Business Enterprise Program. We > believe such belief is misguided. We believe strongly that the many > challenges and turmoil within the Commission and Business Enterprise > Program over the past five years or so do not emanate from the blind > and a structural framework with the Commission, but rather an > ineffective management model and team. Many of us have been > associated with the program nearly four decades, and we have never > experienced such lack of trust, lack of cooperation, and lack of > teamwork between the blind business operators and the Commission and > program management, as has been created over the past five years. > Unfortunately, the administration has not turned to the blind > community, or involved us at any point in addressing and formulation > of solutions to the challenges that exist today. We can logically > conclude that the decision of not involving the blind community was > driven by the misguided belief that the blind are the problem. As > history has instructed, it is the passion and leadership role of those > who are the primary stakeholders in matters most being affected, that > have identified the root of any challenge, and have developed the most > practical and workable solutions. We, the blind, are no exception to > that historical fact, as demonstrated by our achievements outlined > above. However, it goes without saying that we, the blind, must be at > the table in order to offer our experience, expertise, and > recommendations as solution to any given challenge facing the blind > community. > > Following is a sound proven model framework for effective, efficient, > trust-building, capacity-building, and teamwork environment, for a > vibrant business program. Below you will be introduced to what we > refer to as the baker's dozen of core values, principles, and best > business and program practices, which summarize our views for the > administration of the Michigan Business Enterprise Program. > > As a collective organization of blind business persons, we envision a > Business Enterprise Program that provides meaningful and financially > rewarding business opportunities for the blind, including the > following: > > 1. Program management that are qualified, and competent in business > planning and management, financial and other resource management that > is responsible, transparent, and accountable, knowledge and > appreciation of the skills and abilities associated with blindness, > the ability to inspire and build teamwork and personal achievement, > and the ability to administer in a fair, transparent, and accountable > manner, with uniform application and compliance with state and federal > program laws, rules and regulations, policies and procedures; > > 2. Routinely and timely provide training materials, policy and > procedure manuals, memorandum and letters, documents and records, > plans and proposals, announcements, meeting agendas and minutes, and > other printed and electronic materials in a useable format for the > blind, including Braille and large print, according to identified > individual preference, in compliance with applicable laws, rules and > regulations, policies and procedures; > > 3. Business locations that offer a blind licensee a profitable > business return and independent living income, and contributing to > society with many talents and skills, and financially contributing to > federal, state, and municipal treasuries, through payments of > self-employment, income, sales and employer taxes, rather than being > tax takers on public social welfare programs; > > 4. Innovative up-to-date facilities that reflect current trends in > the industry and are appealing and inviting to guests and potential > guests; > > 5. Ongoing evaluation and development of new and existing business > locations, for the expansion of the program, and profitable business > opportunities and independent living income generation for the blind; > > 6. Equipment for business efficiency and profitability, that reflect > excellence in selection of appropriateness, functionality, and > adequate for the business type and plan, with routine and ongoing > maintenance, repair, and replacement, to achieve maximum profitability > through emerging business innovation, industry trends, and use of > technology in the business, that is accessible by blind licensees, > employees, and guests; > > 7. Adequate level of inventory and profitable product mix and selection; > > 8. Appropriate, adequate, and meaningful initial and ongoing > in-service training, including a program position dedicated for the > sole purpose of training of blind persons as potential licensees, and > the ongoing in-service training of licensees; > > 9. The utilization of the Business Enterprise Support Team (BEST), > for newly placed licensees, and existing licensees experiencing > identifiable business or personal challenges and training needs; > > 10. Supportive promotional staff that are qualified in business, and > are appropriately, and adequately trained, including knowledge of > skills and abilities associated with blindness, to support and timely > respond to licensee and business location needs; > > 11. Establishment and operation of a transparent, easily accessible > and verifiable, fair, and uniformly applied system for performance > evaluation, promotion and seniority point award and record-keeping > system, and program facility placement promotion and transfer policies > and procedures; > > 12. A fair, unbiased, ethical, timely and responsive due process > administrative review and hearing system to address, attempt to > resolve, and adjudicate complaints and grievances of licensees and > potential blind licensees, in the administration of the > BusinessEnterprise Program, including providing records, documents, > exhibits, transcripts, notices and administrative law judge > recommended and final agency decisions, and other printed and > electronic materials in a useable format for the blind, including > Braille and large print, according to identified individual > preference, in compliance with applicable laws, rules and regulations, > policies and procedures, to achieve meaningful accessibility and > substantive and procedural due process; > > 13. Fairly and uniformly applied program laws, rules and regulations, > policies and procedures, to all program licensees, trainees, potential > licensees, and program staff, without regard to affiliation, > viewpoint, advocacy, disability, religion, creed, national origin, > age, race, gender, marital status, or sexual orientation. > > In the past we have witnessed the success and expansion of the > Business Enterprise Program when these concepts were openly embraced > by management and licensees alike, and individuals are valued, and the > diverse backgrounds, skills and abilities, ideas and opinions of each > individual are appreciated and respected with honor, rather than an > environment created by management of it is my way or the highway. > > In closing, we wish to express our sincere appreciation for the > opportunity to express our beliefs, and hope it may lead to future > dialogue and constructive action for the benefit of all involved in > this matter. > > Respectfully, > > Terry D. Eagle, President > National Association of Blind Merchants of Michigan > From suncat0 at gmail.com Wed May 9 01:39:26 2012 From: suncat0 at gmail.com (Joe Sontag) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 21:39:26 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Message-ID: Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go along? It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For whatever reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving its support. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Eagle To: 'Joe Sontag' Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process Good afternoon, Terry; It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O C responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of the submissions. Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the Assistant Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated information in the near future. Best regards, Constance Zanger Business Enterprise Program Manager Michigan Commission for the Blind 517/335.3639 517/335.5140 (facsimile) "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joeharcz at comcast.net Wed May 9 02:13:34 2012 From: joeharcz at comcast.net (joe harcz Comcast) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:13:34 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process References: Message-ID: <618BB35D63DF4994B7724165A1008B74@YOUR7C60552B9E> Outrage poured upon more outrage. But, I told people they waived all rights and equity when they voted illegally to violate PA 260 back in february. I also predicted that there would be no commission when people rubber stamped albeit reluctently the State Plan update in JJune of 2011. One cannot compromise with beasts. Now, that the camel's nose is firmly under the tent, We have the whole camel inside of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Sontag To: VENDORSMI List Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go along? It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For whatever reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving its support. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Eagle To: 'Joe Sontag' Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process Good afternoon, Terry; It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O C responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of the submissions. Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the Assistant Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated information in the near future. Best regards, Constance Zanger Business Enterprise Program Manager Michigan Commission for the Blind 517/335.3639 517/335.5140 (facsimile) "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. 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URL: From joeharcz at comcast.net Wed May 9 04:22:31 2012 From: joeharcz at comcast.net (joe harcz Comcast) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:22:31 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process References: Message-ID: <32CD7737693C435F98AAC6962E191929@YOUR7C60552B9E> Can we see in writing the Attorney General's opinion so referenced here or is this once again Zanger hearsay and stalling and, frankly bull hockey. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Sontag To: VENDORSMI List Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go along? It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For whatever reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving its support. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Eagle To: 'Joe Sontag' Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process Good afternoon, Terry; It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O C responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of the submissions. Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the Assistant Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated information in the near future. Best regards, Constance Zanger Business Enterprise Program Manager Michigan Commission for the Blind 517/335.3639 517/335.5140 (facsimile) "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. 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URL: From suncat0 at gmail.com Wed May 9 09:06:44 2012 From: suncat0 at gmail.com (Joe Sontag) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 05:06:44 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process References: <32CD7737693C435F98AAC6962E191929@YOUR7C60552B9E> Message-ID: We'll certainly work on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: joe harcz Comcast To: Joe Sontag ; NFB of Michigan Vendors List Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 0:22 Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Can we see in writing the Attorney General's opinion so referenced here or is this once again Zanger hearsay and stalling and, frankly bull hockey. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Sontag To: VENDORSMI List Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go along? It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For whatever reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving its support. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Eagle To: 'Joe Sontag' Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process Good afternoon, Terry; It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O C responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of the submissions. Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the Assistant Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated information in the near future. Best regards, Constance Zanger Business Enterprise Program Manager Michigan Commission for the Blind 517/335.3639 517/335.5140 (facsimile) "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Vendorsmi mailing list Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Vendorsmi: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joeharcz at comcast.net Wed May 9 15:29:13 2012 From: joeharcz at comcast.net (joe harcz Comcast) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:29:13 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process References: Message-ID: Dear All, We are very sorry for our untimely responses to all of your inquiries. We are most sensitive to the needs and wants and disturbances of you blinks out there. Oops we're sorry we meant to say, "You poor unfortunate sight challenged types. We are sincere. I mean trust us, but don't verify or try to hold us accountable you ungrateful wretches of this earth. Say, who is asking for this information anyways? I mean we are all busy don't you know? We're very busy carving up and dispensing with "pop stands" for the blind and all that. Screw the "State Plate" you fools. This isn't about one location and one priority. It is about it all. The whole enchilada you beggers at the banquet. Don't you know? Don't worry your pretty little heads about this all. I mean that is what "Constance" tells us. You know you are all pretty to her and visa versa for sure, we guess.... Don't worry about power plays, sexual favoritism let alone basic civil and human rights ok? Like we said it's complicated. I mean we've got to make up rules and law on the fly and then we've got to adjust them to our given practices and all that. Like we said it's complicated. Please don't be so pesky. Did we say pesky? Oops sorry, we meant to say other things that weren't so nice and so politic. But, we don't have the outright gonads to say what is really on our minds. Listen you don't have the muscle or the constituency to fight this fight. You are pimples on the political elephant's backside don't you know? We are the Borg. We are relentless and your efforts in resistance are futile. Oh by the by don't worry about those sellouts and hacks like Zanger and Hull. We don't give a rip about them either though these suck asses don't know they are simply Judas Goats leading others to the slaughter house and they too will be slaughtered in the name of openness, efficiency and goodly corporate government too. Though we'll transfer for a moment in time Zanger and Hull and their ilk to unemployment for a time, or, perhaps we'll make them promotional agents for the lottery until they hit the "big one". We haven't decided their fate just yet. Why are you bothering us with your inquiries? Don't you know we are busy making up State and National constitutional Law as we go and on the fly and behind closed doors? Isn't this the roll of government of the corporation and by the corporation and for the corporation after all? And, please, please, and pretty please don't you all recognize that corporations are people too? I mean "prick us and do we not bleed" and all that? Say, if you believe anything we've got to say then we've got a bridge to Ontario to sell you! We don't need a new bridge by the way because our corporate funder has given us a whole lot of money and promised free air fare to anywhere. Besides who cars, we mean cares, about land travel nowadays and anyways? But, we digress... Don't bother your pretty and pathetic selves with the nuances of your basic human and civil rights. We are now re-writing and re-working law and equity and those sorts of things like we said and we're making it all up as we go along, which is hard work. Don't you dare worry us with mortgage payments, food, and medical needs and that sort of stuff please! After all we're working for increased governmental efficiency. And we're now designing as we write bridges to nowhere. I mean we've got to feed the masses and we've got to give some fodder to our constants after all. Oh yes, and if you all think this is just a Republican dictatorship of benign character then I want to introduce you all to my pal Andy Dillon, a goodly "Democrat". Let's face it we are tall technocrats. we mean well. We're all about efficiency. We like not those weirdoes like Hitler. He was just too strong for our taste. But, that Mussolini was a good egg and he made those trains run on time. We really don't hate government like the papers say. In fact we love it just so long as we run it and for our corporate interests. And remember this: we don't have to make the bloody =trains run on time just so long as we make sure and certain that there are no trains to begin with. so, in full circle we don't care at all about this bid. We are busy re-writing the law of this land in fact and in deed to eliminate not only the state, but also the federal priority concerning you bblinks and your pathetic pop stands. If we could eliminate you we would you arrogent blind people. But, that would be unseemly and it would be like we even knew you existed in the first place after all, which you don't by the way. Signed, The Snyder Borg A cross disability, cross party equal opportunity offender of basic democracy ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Sontag To: VENDORSMI List Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go along? It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For whatever reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving its support. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Eagle To: 'Joe Sontag' Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process Good afternoon, Terry; It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O C responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of the submissions. Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the Assistant Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated information in the near future. Best regards, Constance Zanger Business Enterprise Program Manager Michigan Commission for the Blind 517/335.3639 517/335.5140 (facsimile) "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Vendorsmi mailing list Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Vendorsmi: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrydeagle at yahoo.com Wed May 9 15:35:03 2012 From: terrydeagle at yahoo.com (Terry Eagle) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:35:03 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process In-Reply-To: References: <32CD7737693C435F98AAC6962E191929@YOUR7C60552B9E> Message-ID: <7E8A8DD4E91D46848E26D7FECAC1FACD@TerryPC> Hmmmmmmmmmm, Ya think there are questions concerning the legality of the abuse of of the law and program rules in an attempt to once screw and sell-out the blind! Duh! And why is it that the legality is in question AFTER the proposal process was approved and put in motion? Supposedly, the assistant attorney general has rendered a verbal opinion about the legality, so what is the hold-up in reducing it to a written form? Oh I understand, they really are seeking a qualified BLIND person as secretary to type the opionion and hopefully distribute it. When will that secretary selection bid process be complete? What do you mean, it may be illegal and discriminatory too. Come on, Greg Keathley and Rob Essenberg both publicly stated nothing illegal was going on! They can't possiblyy be wrong. After all, they speak the views of ALL EOC and members and ALL operators. Come on TRUST THEM! After all, THEY ONLY HAVE THR BEST INTEREST OF THE BLIND VENDOR AND THE BLIND IN GENERAL IN MIND! Come on, you good obedient blind boys and girls, please get with the program and line-up to drink their Kool-Aid--it is certain to chang e your life! -----Original Message----- From: vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sontag Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:07 AM To: joe harcz Comcast; NFB of Michigan Vendors List Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process We'll certainly work on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: joe harcz Comcast To: Joe Sontag ; NFB of Michigan Vendors List Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 0:22 Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Can we see in writing the Attorney General's opinion so referenced here or is this once again Zanger hearsay and stalling and, frankly bull hockey. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Sontag To: VENDORSMI List Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go along? It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For whatever reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving its support. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Eagle To: 'Joe Sontag' Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ________________________________ From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process Good afternoon, Terry; It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O C responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of the submissions. Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the Assistant Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated information in the near future. Best regards, Constance Zanger Business Enterprise Program Manager Michigan Commission for the Blind 517/335.3639 517/335.5140 (facsimile) "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch ________________________________ From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ________________________________ From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Vendorsmi mailing list Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Vendorsmi: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.ne t From joeharcz at comcast.net Wed May 9 15:44:56 2012 From: joeharcz at comcast.net (joe harcz Comcast) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:44:56 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process References: <32CD7737693C435F98AAC6962E191929@YOUR7C60552B9E> <7E8A8DD4E91D46848E26D7FECAC1FACD@TerryPC> Message-ID: <2DAC4FA1605D492CB2F9666DF9655582@YOUR7C60552B9E> Mmmm. That Kool-aid tastes just great to me. I mean it's like fine sipping wine ain't it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Eagle" To: "'Joe Sontag'" ; "'NFB of Michigan Vendors List'" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > Hmmmmmmmmmm, Ya think there are questions concerning the legality of the > abuse of of the law and program rules in an attempt to once screw and > sell-out the blind! Duh! And why is it that the legality is in question > AFTER the proposal process was approved and put in motion? > > Supposedly, the assistant attorney general has rendered a verbal opinion > about the legality, so what is the hold-up in reducing it to a written > form? > Oh I understand, they really are seeking a qualified BLIND person as > secretary to type the opionion and hopefully distribute it. When will > that > secretary selection bid process be complete? What do you mean, it may be > illegal and discriminatory too. Come on, Greg Keathley and Rob Essenberg > both publicly stated nothing illegal was going on! They can't possiblyy > be > wrong. After all, they speak the views of ALL EOC and members and ALL > operators. Come on TRUST THEM! After all, THEY ONLY HAVE THR BEST > INTEREST > OF THE BLIND VENDOR AND THE BLIND IN GENERAL IN MIND! Come on, you good > obedient blind boys and girls, please get with the program and line-up to > drink their Kool-Aid--it is certain to chang > e your life! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > Behalf Of Joe Sontag > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:07 AM > To: joe harcz Comcast; NFB of Michigan Vendors List > Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > > We'll certainly work on it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: joe harcz Comcast > To: Joe Sontag ; NFB of Michigan Vendors > List > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 0:22 > Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > > Can we see in writing the Attorney General's opinion so referenced > here or is this once again Zanger hearsay and stalling and, frankly bull > hockey. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Sontag > To: VENDORSMI List > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM > Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > > Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant > AG has to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to > know, with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board > go > along? It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff > and > EOC leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For > whatever reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue > before > giving its support. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Eagle > To: 'Joe Sontag' > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM > To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' > > Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, > James (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott > MCB > Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > Good afternoon, Terry; > > > > It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for > submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members > of > the E O C responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their > review of the submissions. > > > > Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General > has questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the > Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson > Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the > Assistant > Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. > > > > We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide > updated information in the near future. > > > > Best regards, > > Constance Zanger > > Business Enterprise Program Manager > > Michigan Commission for the Blind > > 517/335.3639 > > 517/335.5140 (facsimile) > > > > "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." > > GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM > To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM > To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) > Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner > Lydia Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' > Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > Friday, May 4, 2012 > > > > Good morning, > > > > It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for > submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. > > > > It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been > made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? > > > > What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award > process? > > > > Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response > to this inquiry. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Terry Eagle > > Friday, May 4, 2012 > > > > Good morning, > > > > It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for > submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. > > > > It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been > made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? > > > > What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award > process? > > > > Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response > to this inquiry. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Terry Eagle > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vendorsmi mailing list > Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for Vendorsmi: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.ne > t > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vendorsmi mailing list > Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > Vendorsmi: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net From terrydeagle at yahoo.com Wed May 9 15:46:02 2012 From: terrydeagle at yahoo.com (Terry Eagle) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:46:02 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process In-Reply-To: <618BB35D63DF4994B7724165A1008B74@YOUR7C60552B9E> References: <618BB35D63DF4994B7724165A1008B74@YOUR7C60552B9E> Message-ID: <468218CCB1E7423CBFA7E2C38B1E3137@TerryPC> REALLY! The camel has really joined the donkeys in the tent? I'd be laughing were it not so sad! The future, or lack thereof, for blind persons of Michigan. -----Original Message----- From: vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:14 PM To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Vendors List Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Outrage poured upon more outrage. But, I told people they waived all rights and equity when they voted illegally to violate PA 260 back in february. I also predicted that there would be no commission when people rubber stamped albeit reluctently the State Plan update in JJune of 2011. One cannot compromise with beasts. Now, that the camel's nose is firmly under the tent, We have the whole camel inside of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Sontag To: VENDORSMI List Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go along? It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For whatever reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving its support. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Eagle To: 'Joe Sontag' Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ________________________________ From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process Good afternoon, Terry; It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O C responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of the submissions. Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the Assistant Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated information in the near future. Best regards, Constance Zanger Business Enterprise Program Manager Michigan Commission for the Blind 517/335.3639 517/335.5140 (facsimile) "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch ________________________________ From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ________________________________ From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Vendorsmi mailing list Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Vendorsmi: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.ne t From terrydeagle at yahoo.com Wed May 9 16:39:42 2012 From: terrydeagle at yahoo.com (Terry Eagle) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:39:42 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69118C0456E9460C954F1828CD2B5A6C@TerryPC> Oh okay, I get it! At least you are working 24/7 to make sure we are well taken care of by the Department of Welfare! That certainly makes me feel better! At least I will get more from welfare, than the highly acclaimed WORK and slave wages you are guaranteeing from Peckham Industries or New Horizon! What do you mean, I MIGHT get work, if only the issue of conflict-of-interest is overlooked by the blind? My hard earned degree doesn't give me an advantage for informed choice of work over welfare. And how will I pay back my student loans on starvation wages or welfare? Can I really trust you? You sound a lot the political candidates vying for my trust, support, and vote. One even told me it looked as though I could afford to give up a few meals to trust him to use my donation for his election. He said I'd giving back some of the government funds freely given to me. It was the patriotic and only just thing to do. And when I asked him how I would then afford to pay my rent and student loans, he said, "Don't worry, if government officials can get away with not paying student loans, certainly they would look the other way for a poor, unemployed blind person. And if not, then I'd likely have a choice of housing--either jail or a tent with the occupy movement.". He said if I went the occupy movement route, I likely would not be found to account for my student loan obligation, since I'd constantly be moving from place-toplace, at the insistence of politicians. I asked what he knew about accountability, and he simply replied, "Trust me.". I don't know if I can and should trust that guy? ----Original Message----- From: vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:29 AM To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Vendors List Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Dear All, We are very sorry for our untimely responses to all of your inquiries. We are most sensitive to the needs and wants and disturbances of you blinks out there. Oops we're sorry we meant to say, "You poor unfortunate sight challenged types. We are sincere. I mean trust us, but don't verify or try to hold us accountable you ungrateful wretches of this earth. Say, who is asking for this information anyways? I mean we are all busy don't you know? We're very busy carving up and dispensing with "pop stands" for the blind and all that. Screw the "State Plate" you fools. This isn't about one location and one priority. It is about it all. The whole enchilada you beggers at the banquet. Don't you know? Don't worry your pretty little heads about this all. I mean that is what "Constance" tells us. You know you are all pretty to her and visa versa for sure, we guess.... Don't worry about power plays, sexual favoritism let alone basic civil and human rights ok? Like we said it's complicated. I mean we've got to make up rules and law on the fly and then we've got to adjust them to our given practices and all that. Like we said it's complicated. Please don't be so pesky. Did we say pesky? Oops sorry, we meant to say other things that weren't so nice and so politic. But, we don't have the outright gonads to say what is really on our minds. Listen you don't have the muscle or the constituency to fight this fight. You are pimples on the political elephant's backside don't you know? We are the Borg. We are relentless and your efforts in resistance are futile. Oh by the by don't worry about those sellouts and hacks like Zanger and Hull. We don't give a rip about them either though these suck asses don't know they are simply Judas Goats leading others to the slaughter house and they too will be slaughtered in the name of openness, efficiency and goodly corporate government too. Though we'll transfer for a moment in time Zanger and Hull and their ilk to unemployment for a time, or, perhaps we'll make them promotional agents for the lottery until they hit the "big one". We haven't decided their fate just yet. Why are you bothering us with your inquiries? Don't you know we are busy making up State and National constitutional Law as we go and on the fly and behind closed doors? Isn't this the roll of government of the corporation and by the corporation and for the corporation after all? And, please, please, and pretty please don't you all recognize that corporations are people too? I mean "prick us and do we not bleed" and all that? Say, if you believe anything we've got to say then we've got a bridge to Ontario to sell you! We don't need a new bridge by the way because our corporate funder has given us a whole lot of money and promised free air fare to anywhere. Besides who cars, we mean cares, about land travel nowadays and anyways? But, we digress... Don't bother your pretty and pathetic selves with the nuances of your basic human and civil rights. We are now re-writing and re-working law and equity and those sorts of things like we said and we're making it all up as we go along, which is hard work. Don't you dare worry us with mortgage payments, food, and medical needs and that sort of stuff please! After all we're working for increased governmental efficiency. And we're now designing as we write bridges to nowhere. I mean we've got to feed the masses and we've got to give some fodder to our constants after all. Oh yes, and if you all think this is just a Republican dictatorship of benign character then I want to introduce you all to my pal Andy Dillon, a goodly "Democrat". Let's face it we are tall technocrats. we mean well. We're all about efficiency. We like not those weirdoes like Hitler. He was just too strong for our taste. But, that Mussolini was a good egg and he made those trains run on time. We really don't hate government like the papers say. In fact we love it just so long as we run it and for our corporate interests. And remember this: we don't have to make the bloody =trains run on time just so long as we make sure and certain that there are no trains to begin with. so, in full circle we don't care at all about this bid. We are busy re-writing the law of this land in fact and in deed to eliminate not only the state, but also the federal priority concerning you bblinks and your pathetic pop stands. If we could eliminate you we would you arrogent blind people. But, that would be unseemly and it would be like we even knew you existed in the first place after all, which you don't by the way. Signed, The Snyder Borg A cross disability, cross party equal opportunity offender of basic democracy ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Sontag To: VENDORSMI List Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go along? It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For whatever reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving its support. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Eagle To: 'Joe Sontag' Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ________________________________ From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process Good afternoon, Terry; It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O C responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of the submissions. Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the Assistant Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated information in the near future. Best regards, Constance Zanger Business Enterprise Program Manager Michigan Commission for the Blind 517/335.3639 517/335.5140 (facsimile) "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch ________________________________ From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process ________________________________ From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle Friday, May 4, 2012 Good morning, It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this inquiry. Best regards, Terry Eagle ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Vendorsmi mailing list Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Vendorsmi: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.ne t From joeharcz at comcast.net Wed May 9 17:03:16 2012 From: joeharcz at comcast.net (joe harcz Comcast) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 13:03:16 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process References: <69118C0456E9460C954F1828CD2B5A6C@TerryPC> Message-ID: <7A8DE7886F894678AE49DD48D927BD9F@YOUR7C60552B9E> Dear Mr. Eagle, Don't worry your pretty little head about all this nonsense abut working and contributing to the commonweal ok? this is where you and others somehow jumped ship and lost sight of things. Come on man get a grip will you? Now, you are starting to get it when you genuflect to the corporate state. You know your Catholic upbringing in these regards will serve us well, except we've erased the side that mentions, let alone alludes to any sort of social justice. This just isn't our bag ok? Listen we aren't against the blind. Shoot we hardly notice you if we were aware to begin with and we wouldn't have noticed you at all if you weren't so bloody vocal to begin with. But, we digress once again... So nothing personal here. We are equal opportunity offenders after all. We don't mind the rule of law so long as it is our law. We don't mind democracy except that sort of thing is just so messy. It makes us ask for more napkins. More napkins can you imagine that? And we are sighted and we make this sort of mess. So how in the Sam Hill are you blind people supposed to lead yourselves out of this wilderness when we can't figure this stuff out? Oops, this was a moment of transparency, and vulnerability. Sorry about that. Never mind. We are the Borg. Resistance is f u t i l e. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Eagle" To: "'NFB of Michigan Vendors List'" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > Oh okay, I get it! At least you are working 24/7 to make sure we are well > taken care of by the Department of Welfare! That certainly makes me feel > better! At least I will get more from welfare, than the highly acclaimed > WORK and slave wages you are guaranteeing from Peckham Industries or New > Horizon! What do you mean, I MIGHT get work, if only the issue of > conflict-of-interest is overlooked by the blind? My hard earned degree > doesn't give me an advantage for informed choice of work over welfare. > And > how will I pay back my student loans on starvation wages or welfare? Can > I > really trust you? You sound a lot the political candidates vying for my > trust, support, and vote. One even told me it looked as though I could > afford to give up a few meals to trust him to use my donation for his > election. He said I'd giving back some of the government funds freely > given > to me. It was the patriotic and only just thing to do. And when I asked > him how I would then afford to pay my rent and student loans, he said, > "Don't worry, if government officials can get away with not paying student > loans, certainly they would look the other way for a poor, unemployed > blind > person. And if not, then I'd likely have a choice of housing--either jail > or a tent with the occupy movement.". He said if I went the occupy > movement > route, I likely would not be found to account for my student loan > obligation, since I'd constantly be moving from place-toplace, at the > insistence of politicians. I asked what he knew about accountability, and > he simply replied, "Trust me.". I don't know if I can and should trust > that > guy? ----Original Message----- > From: vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:29 AM > To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Vendors List > Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > > Dear All, > > We are very sorry for our untimely responses to all of your inquiries. We > are most sensitive to the needs and wants and disturbances of you blinks > out > there. Oops we're sorry we meant to say, "You poor unfortunate sight > challenged types. We are sincere. I mean trust us, but don't verify or try > to hold us accountable you ungrateful wretches of this earth. Say, who is > asking for this information anyways? > > > > I mean we are all busy don't you know? > > We're very busy carving up and dispensing with "pop stands" for the blind > and all that. Screw the "State Plate" you fools. This isn't about one > location and one priority. It is about it all. The whole enchilada you > beggers at the banquet. Don't you know? > > Don't worry your pretty little heads about this all. I mean that is what > "Constance" tells us. You know you are all pretty to her and visa versa > for > sure, we guess.... Don't worry about power plays, sexual favoritism let > alone basic civil and human rights ok? > > Like we said it's complicated. > > I mean we've got to make up rules and law on the fly and then we've got to > adjust them to our given practices and all that. Like we said it's > complicated. > > Please don't be so pesky. Did we say pesky? Oops sorry, we meant to say > other things that weren't so nice and so politic. But, we don't have the > outright gonads to say what is really on our minds. > > > Listen you don't have the muscle or the constituency to fight this fight. > You are pimples on the political elephant's backside don't you know? We > are > the Borg. We are relentless and your efforts in resistance are futile. > > Oh by the by don't worry about those sellouts and hacks like Zanger and > Hull. We don't give a rip about them either though these suck asses don't > know they are simply Judas Goats leading others to the slaughter house and > they too will be slaughtered in the name of openness, efficiency and > goodly > corporate government too. Though we'll transfer for a moment in time > Zanger > and Hull and their ilk to unemployment for a time, or, perhaps we'll make > them promotional agents for the lottery until they hit the "big one". We > haven't decided their fate just yet. > > > Why are you bothering us with your inquiries? Don't you know we are busy > making up State and National constitutional Law as we go and on the fly > and > behind closed doors? Isn't this the roll of government of the corporation > and by the corporation and for the corporation after all? And, please, > please, and pretty please don't you all recognize that corporations are > people too? > > I mean "prick us and do we not bleed" and all that? > > > > Say, if you believe anything we've got to say then we've got a bridge to > Ontario to sell you! > > We don't need a new bridge by the way because our corporate funder has > given > us a whole lot of money and promised free air fare to anywhere. Besides > who > cars, we mean cares, about land travel nowadays and anyways? But, we > digress... > > Don't bother your pretty and pathetic selves with the nuances of your > basic > human and civil rights. We are now re-writing and re-working law and > equity > and those sorts of things like we said and we're making it all up as we go > along, which is hard work. > > Don't you dare worry us with mortgage payments, food, and medical needs > and > that sort of stuff please! > > After all we're working for increased governmental efficiency. And we're > now > designing as we write bridges to nowhere. I mean we've got to feed the > masses and we've got to give some fodder to our constants after all. > > > Oh yes, and if you all think this is just a Republican dictatorship of > benign character then I want to introduce you all to my pal Andy Dillon, a > goodly "Democrat". Let's face it we are tall technocrats. we mean well. > We're all about efficiency. We like not those weirdoes like Hitler. He was > just too strong for our taste. > > But, that Mussolini was a good egg and he made those trains run on time. > > We really don't hate government like the papers say. In fact we love it > just > so long as we run it and for our corporate interests. > > And remember this: we don't have to make the bloody =trains run on time > just > so long as we make sure and certain that there are no trains to begin > with. > > so, in full circle we don't care at all about this bid. We are busy > re-writing the law of this land in fact and in deed to eliminate not only > the state, but also the federal priority concerning you bblinks and your > pathetic pop stands. If we could eliminate you we would you arrogent blind > people. But, that would be unseemly and it would be like we even knew you > existed in the first place after all, which you don't by the way. > > > Signed, > > The Snyder Borg > > A cross disability, cross party equal opportunity offender of basic > democracy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Sontag > To: VENDORSMI List > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM > Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > > Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has > to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, > with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go > along? > It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC > leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For > whatever > reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving > its support. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Eagle > To: 'Joe Sontag' > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM > To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' > Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James > (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB > Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > Good afternoon, Terry; > > > > It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission > of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O > C > responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of > the > submissions. > > > > Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has > questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the > Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson > Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the > Assistant > Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. > > > > We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated > information in the near future. > > > > Best regards, > > Constance Zanger > > Business Enterprise Program Manager > > Michigan Commission for the Blind > > 517/335.3639 > > 517/335.5140 (facsimile) > > > > "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." > > GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM > To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM > To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) > Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia > Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' > Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > Friday, May 4, 2012 > > > > Good morning, > > > > It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of > bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. > > > > It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to > the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? > > > > What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? > > > > > Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this > inquiry. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Terry Eagle > > Friday, May 4, 2012 > > > > Good morning, > > > > It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of > bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. > > > > It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to > the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? > > > > What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? > > > > > Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this > inquiry. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Terry Eagle > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vendorsmi mailing list > Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for Vendorsmi: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.ne > t > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vendorsmi mailing list > Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > Vendorsmi: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net From suncat0 at gmail.com Wed May 9 17:33:17 2012 From: suncat0 at gmail.com (Joe Sontag) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 13:33:17 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Rebates for ALL Blind Vendors over 40 Manufacturers on board!! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Posont To: Joe Sontag Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:42 Subject: Fw: Rebates for ALL Blind Vendors over 40 Manufacturers on board!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Randolph Sheppard To: randolph_sheppard at yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Rebates for ALL Blind Vendors over 40 Manufacturers on board!! Hi my name is Kathy Ungaro, an advocate for the blind. I have been a Broker in the Vending industry prior to working with Randolph Sheppard Blind Vendors. As a Broker I represented over 50 manufacturers and learned all about rebates. For over two years I have been employed by the Illinois Committee of Blind Vendors and have worked with the national organizations for the blind. Having a Broker background I quickly noticed the tremendous buying power that ALL Blind Vendors across the United States represent. I have also found a way for ALL Blind Vendors who purchase through Vend and Food Service Distributors to receive rebates, even Sam?s purchases count for Mars products. AmeriSource is a buying group who partners with over 40 Manufacturers they offer substantial rebates to all AmeriSource members. In Illinois and across the United States hundreds of Blind Vendors have signed up for rebates through AmeriSource. The first Vendors signed up in fourth quarter 2011 and have already received their first checks. Many more signed up in the first quarter of 2012, and their checks are about to go out to them. The Vendors depending on their volume are receiving quarterly rebate checks direct to them for over $200.00, that they never have been able to appreciate in the past. Today I ask that you review this, if you yourself are not a Vendor, or if you have already signed up, please pass this along to any and all Vendors that you can. Help get the word out and let everyone know. Vendors get your application in as soon as possible so that you can qualify for 2nd quarter rebates; all applications must be in prior to April 26th to be processed for the 2nd quarter. You pay no dues or out-of pocket costs for the AmeriSource service. Its compensation is a small percentage only of the actual savings delivered to you. Buy from the Distributors that you buy from today, most are registered and receive quarterly rebate checks sent direct to you!! Support the Manufacturers that support you and get a check ? IT?S THAT EASY!! In this time of economic pressure, AmeriSource makes sense: it cuts your costs, and helps deliver more profit to your operation. Feel free to call me if you have any questions or need assistance in completing your application. Review the following list of manufacturers that you can receive rebates for (below), ask your fellow Vendors who have enrolled, you cannot go wrong with this program it is free money based on the enormous buying power that ALL Randolph Sheppard Blind Vendors across the United States along with all members of AmeriSource represent. Manufactures ADVANCE PIERRE FOODS APPLE BAKING CO BISCOMERICA CORP BOYER CANDY CO INC BRIDGFORD FOODS CORP BUDDYS KITCHEN BUMBLE BEE SEAFOODS LLC CAMPBELL SOUP CO CHATTANOOGA BAKERY CLOVERHILL BAKERY CONAGRA CONSUMER FOODS CSI FOODSERVICE CO INC DBA BURRY FOODSERVICE DAISYS BAKERY INC DOMINO FOODS INC DIV OF FLORIDA CRYSTALS CORP E A SWEEN CO FARLEYS & SATHERS CANDY CO INC FLORIDAS NATURAL GROWERS DIV CITRUS WORLD INC FLOWERS FOODS FRITO LAY DIV OF PEPSICO GENERAL MILLS INC GENISOY BAR GEORGE WESTON LTD/BIMBO BAKERIES USA GOLDEN FLAKE SNACK FOODS INC HERR FOODS INC HERSHEYS FOODSERVICE HORMEL FOODS HOSTESS BRANDS INC INVENTURE FOODS INC JUST BORN INC KANES GOURMET PRODUCTS KAR NUT PRODUCTS CO KELLOGGS FOOD AWAY FROM HOME KRAFT FOODS INC LANCE INC LANDSHIRE INC MACS SNACKS INC DIV OF EVAN FOOD PRODUCTS CO MARS INC MEDORA SNACKS LLC MONOGRAM FOOD SOLUTIONS NESTLE FOODSERVICES NESTLE PROFESSIONAL VITALITY INC NESTLE WATERS NORTH AMERICA NOVAMEX OBRIEN & CO INC DIV OF AMERICAN FOODS GROUP OLD COLONY BAKING CO INC OTIS SPUNKMEYER INC PROMOTION IN MOTION INC QUAKER DIV OF PEPSICO RAYBERN QUALITY FOODS RC BIGELOW INC SARA LEE MEATS SCHWANS FOOD SERVICE INC SHERWOOD BRANDS INC SNAK KING SNYDERS OF HANOVER INC STACYS PITA CHIP CO DIV OF FRITO LAY DIV OF PEPSICO STEFANO FOODS DIV OF SMITHFIELD FOODS INC WHITE CASTLE SYSTEM INC WINDSOR FROZEN FOODS WISE FOODS INC DIV OF BORDEN INC WRIGLEY WM JR CO DIV OF MARS INC ZAPPS POTATO CHIP CO Best Regards, Kathy Ungaro (630)234-4444 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FINALLY REBATES FOR EVERYONE memo.docx Type: application/octet-stream Size: 136129 bytes Desc: not available URL: From suncat0 at gmail.com Wed May 9 17:50:10 2012 From: suncat0 at gmail.com (Joe Sontag) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 13:50:10 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process References: <618BB35D63DF4994B7724165A1008B74@YOUR7C60552B9E> <468218CCB1E7423CBFA7E2C38B1E3137@TerryPC> Message-ID: You are all having too much um, ehhh, "fun" with this thing. I haven't read anything with which to disagree. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Eagle" To: "'NFB of Michigan Vendors List'" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:46 Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > REALLY! The camel has really joined the donkeys in the tent? I'd be > laughing were it not so sad! The future, or lack thereof, for blind > persons of Michigan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:14 PM > To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Vendors List > Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > > Outrage poured upon more outrage. But, I told people they waived all > rights > and equity when they voted illegally to violate PA 260 back in february. > > I also predicted that there would be no commission when people rubber > stamped albeit reluctently the State Plan update in JJune of 2011. > > One cannot compromise with beasts. > > Now, that the camel's nose is firmly under the tent, We have the whole > camel > inside of it. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Sontag > To: VENDORSMI List > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM > Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > > Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has > to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, > with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go > along? > It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC > leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For > whatever > reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving > its support. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Eagle > To: 'Joe Sontag' > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM > To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' > Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James > (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB > Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > Good afternoon, Terry; > > > > It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission > of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O > C > responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of > the > submissions. > > > > Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has > questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the > Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson > Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the > Assistant > Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. > > > > We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated > information in the near future. > > > > Best regards, > > Constance Zanger > > Business Enterprise Program Manager > > Michigan Commission for the Blind > > 517/335.3639 > > 517/335.5140 (facsimile) > > > > "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." > > GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM > To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM > To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) > Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia > Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' > Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > Friday, May 4, 2012 > > > > Good morning, > > > > It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of > bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. > > > > It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to > the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? > > > > What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? > > > > > Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this > inquiry. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Terry Eagle > > Friday, May 4, 2012 > > > > Good morning, > > > > It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of > bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. > > > > It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to > the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? > > > > What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? > > > > > Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this > inquiry. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Terry Eagle > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vendorsmi mailing list > Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for Vendorsmi: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.ne > t > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vendorsmi mailing list > Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > Vendorsmi: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/suncat0%40gmail.com From joeharcz at comcast.net Wed May 9 18:00:18 2012 From: joeharcz at comcast.net (joe harcz Comcast) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 14:00:18 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process References: <618BB35D63DF4994B7724165A1008B74@YOUR7C60552B9E><468218CCB1E7423CBFA7E2C38B1E3137@TerryPC> Message-ID: <4F675BA28BE54FB48376CFE8185E9EE9@YOUR7C60552B9E> Ajh.yes. Camels and donkeys joining noses and other body parts. sounds like business as usual in the State of Michigan apparatchek. I know it is weird. But weird is too often true. Say isn't this a mis-match? And I'm trying to be kind and good and saintly and all that sort of thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Sontag" To: ; "NFB of Michigan Vendors List" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > You are all having too much um, ehhh, "fun" with this thing. I haven't > read anything with which to disagree. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Eagle" > To: "'NFB of Michigan Vendors List'" > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:46 > Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > > >> REALLY! The camel has really joined the donkeys in the tent? I'd be >> laughing were it not so sad! The future, or lack thereof, for blind >> persons of Michigan. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On >> Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:14 PM >> To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Vendors List >> Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process >> >> Outrage poured upon more outrage. But, I told people they waived all >> rights >> and equity when they voted illegally to violate PA 260 back in february. >> >> I also predicted that there would be no commission when people rubber >> stamped albeit reluctently the State Plan update in JJune of 2011. >> >> One cannot compromise with beasts. >> >> Now, that the camel's nose is firmly under the tent, We have the whole >> camel >> inside of it. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joe Sontag >> To: VENDORSMI List >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM >> Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process >> >> Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has >> to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, >> with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go >> along? >> It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC >> leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For >> whatever >> reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before >> giving >> its support. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Terry Eagle >> To: 'Joe Sontag' >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 >> Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM >> To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' >> Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James >> (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB >> Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg >> Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, Terry; >> >> >> >> It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission >> of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O >> C >> responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of >> the >> submissions. >> >> >> >> Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has >> questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the >> Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson >> Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the >> Assistant >> Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. >> >> >> >> We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated >> information in the near future. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Constance Zanger >> >> Business Enterprise Program Manager >> >> Michigan Commission for the Blind >> >> 517/335.3639 >> >> 517/335.5140 (facsimile) >> >> >> >> "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." >> >> GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) >> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM >> To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) >> Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM >> To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) >> Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia >> Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' >> Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process >> >> >> >> Friday, May 4, 2012 >> >> >> >> Good morning, >> >> >> >> It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of >> bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. >> >> >> >> It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to >> the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? >> >> >> >> What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? >> >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this >> inquiry. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Terry Eagle >> >> Friday, May 4, 2012 >> >> >> >> Good morning, >> >> >> >> It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of >> bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. >> >> >> >> It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to >> the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? >> >> >> >> What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? >> >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this >> inquiry. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Terry Eagle >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vendorsmi mailing list >> Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for Vendorsmi: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.ne >> t >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vendorsmi mailing list >> Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> Vendorsmi: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/suncat0%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Vendorsmi mailing list > Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > Vendorsmi: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net From joeharcz at comcast.net Wed May 9 21:25:28 2012 From: joeharcz at comcast.net (joe harcz Comcast) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:25:28 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process References: <618BB35D63DF4994B7724165A1008B74@YOUR7C60552B9E> <468218CCB1E7423CBFA7E2C38B1E3137@TerryPC> Message-ID: <3BF585291B064C98A1DC69A347007384@YOUR7C60552B9E> Now there is a sight, camls with donkeys. Reminds me of an REM song. "It's the end of the world as we Know It." Man, it isn't as if the blind in this state even knows or cares about what is going on which makes this all the more pathetic. Hoky smoke I wonder what sort of monsters come from the inter breeding of camels and donkeys anyways? Shoot we already know what comes from the inter mingling of donkeys and elephants. Those monstrous critters are all over Lansing. In fact I heard that a bunch of them got lose from the zoo there and were gobbling up chow at the State Plate. Some think they are safe for now as they are only herbivores. But let me tell you they are morphing. They are already omnivores and are rapidly becoming purely carnivorous animals. People who are blind, or otherwise disabled cannot run fast enough to escape their rampage let me tell you. Richard Bernstein was correct. Unless rich and otherwise inoculated it is best to get out of dodge whilst one can. This is the beginning of the blind dispara. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Eagle" To: "'NFB of Michigan Vendors List'" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > REALLY! The camel has really joined the donkeys in the tent? I'd be > laughing were it not so sad! The future, or lack thereof, for blind > persons of Michigan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:vendorsmi-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:14 PM > To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Vendors List > Subject: Re: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > > Outrage poured upon more outrage. But, I told people they waived all > rights > and equity when they voted illegally to violate PA 260 back in february. > > I also predicted that there would be no commission when people rubber > stamped albeit reluctently the State Plan update in JJune of 2011. > > One cannot compromise with beasts. > > Now, that the camel's nose is firmly under the tent, We have the whole > camel > inside of it. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Sontag > To: VENDORSMI List > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:39 PM > Subject: [Vendorsmi] Fw: Anderson Building Bid Process > > Yes, it will be very interesting to learn what the assistant AG has > to say. Some of us had things to say, but almost nobody wanted to know, > with the exception of the Commission Board. And why did the Board go > along? > It might have had something to do with a message from BEP staff and EOC > leadership that there was no choice other than their proposal. For > whatever > reason, the Board heard only the Agency version of the issue before giving > its support. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Eagle > To: 'Joe Sontag' > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 19:51 > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Zanger, Connie (LARA) [mailto:zangerc at michigan.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:38 PM > To: 'terrydeagle at yahoo.com' > Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA); Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Hull, James > (LARA); Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott MCB > Comm.; 'Fred Wurtzel'; Hazell Brooks; 'James Chaney'; Bob Essenberg > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > Good afternoon, Terry; > > > > It has, indeed, been several weeks since the deadline for submission > of bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. Members of the E O > C > responsible for evaluating the proposals have completed their review of > the > submissions. > > > > Since the bid solicitation was issued, the Attorney General has > questioned the process set forth by both the Elected Committee and the > Commission Board for identifying a qualified bidder for the Anderson > Building cafeteria. At present, Commission staff is awaiting the > Assistant > Attorney General's written recommendation on the matter. > > > > We apologize for this delay and hope to be able to provide updated > information in the near future. > > > > Best regards, > > Constance Zanger > > Business Enterprise Program Manager > > Michigan Commission for the Blind > > 517/335.3639 > > 517/335.5140 (facsimile) > > > > "To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones." > > GEORGE WASHINGTON, in a April 7, 1799 letter to James Welch > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:41 AM > To: Zanger, Connie (LARA) > Subject: FW: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Terry Eagle [mailto:terrydeagle at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:45 AM > To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) > Cc: '"MCB Commissioner Larry Posont"'; '"MCB Commissioner Lydia > Schuck"'; '"MC B Commissioner John Scott"' > Subject: Anderson Building Bid Process > > > > Friday, May 4, 2012 > > > > Good morning, > > > > It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of > bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. > > > > It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to > the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? > > > > What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? > > > > > Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this > inquiry. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Terry Eagle > > Friday, May 4, 2012 > > > > Good morning, > > > > It has been nearly six weeks since the deadline for submission of > bid proposals for the Anderson Building cafeteria. > > > > It is my understanding absolutely no communication has been made to > the bidders. How can such a fact be professionally possible? > > > > What is the status of the bid review, interview, and award process? > > > > > Thank you in advance for your timely, professional response to this > inquiry. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Terry Eagle > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vendorsmi mailing list > Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for Vendorsmi: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.ne > t > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vendorsmi mailing list > Vendorsmi at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > Vendorsmi: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net From president.nfb.mi at gmail.com Mon May 14 20:24:59 2012 From: president.nfb.mi at gmail.com (Larry Posont) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:24:59 -0400 Subject: [Vendorsmi] assistance for members to attend national convention Message-ID: National Federation of the Blind of Michigan 20812 Ann Arbor Trail Dearborn Heights, MI 48127 May 13, 2012 Dear fellow Michigan federationists: Due to a recent bequest, The board members of the National Federation of the Blind of Michigan have authorized a small part of the money to be used to assist members to attend national convention. A motion was passed that allows for assistance to be given to 15 individuals at $250 per person. If you are interested in applying for this financial assistance please send a message to Mary Wurtzel at marywurtzel at att.net or call (517) 485-0326 cell (517) 256-5576. The deadline for requesting assistance is absolutely no later than June 1, 2012. Sincerely, Larry Posont, President National Federation of the Blind of Michigan (313) 271-3058 Email: president.nfb.mi at gmail.com Web page www.nfbmi.org