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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>hello,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ordinarily I would deal with this off list. I want others on the list to understand that at least 1 person does not agree that such allegations be part of our list. Joe, this is out of line for the NFBMI list. If it is so, then it ought to be dealt with appropriately. Turning our list int a National Enquirer is not what I feel is proper decorum for our organizational list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I recognize that we all have different standards of propriety. I have told you mine. This is the last public statement I will make on this topic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fred<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> vendorsmi-bounces@nfbnet.org [mailto:vendorsmi-bounces@nfbnet.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>joe harcz Comcast<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:29 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NFB of Michigan Vendors List<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vendorsmi] Training, Training, Who's Got The Training?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>How so Fred! It is documented that Zanger has had sex with subordinates which is illegal nepotism.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It is also a documented fact that many in BEP staff overlooked sexual indescretions by one Thomas Kent which resulted in a #$2,000,000 ultimate settlement against MCB which is in the public record by the way.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>MCB's portion was attributed to the fact that that convicted pedofile was reported for sexual harrassment over and over again and then he, Thomas Kent fired those reporting him in retaliation.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>MCB's issues were they did nothing when these abuses were reported.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Meanwhile back at the ranch this stuff has been hidden from public scrutiny illegally?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>And you call me out for stating the obvious?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>People want to sanction me for a swear word here and there while we had documented, convicted pedophiles and so forth sanctioned by the system?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What a ludicrous thing this is Fred.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>People should be at very least ashamed at the utter hypocrasy of this stuff.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Please, please, and more please don't get all outraged at the likes of me!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm old and I'm tired and I'm not caving to nicey nicy stuff.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Zanger is evil. Hull is evil. Cannon is evil.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In fact sir they are documented evil!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:f.wurtzel@att.net" title="f.wurtzel@att.net">Fred Wurtzel</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:vendorsmi@nfbnet.org" title="vendorsmi@nfbnet.org">'NFB of Michigan Vendors List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:11 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Vendorsmi] Training, Training, Who's Got The Training?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>hey joe, you’re a little over the line, here, in my opinion, for the NFBMI list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fred<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:vendorsmi-bounces@nfbnet.org">vendorsmi-bounces@nfbnet.org</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:vendorsmi-bounces@nfbnet.org]">[mailto:vendorsmi-bounces@nfbnet.org]</a> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>joe harcz Comcast<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:54 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Vendors List<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vendorsmi] Training, Training, Who's Got The Training?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Who is training the trainers?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Oh Zanger can do math on her back. Hull has other positions.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It's all geometry don't you know, and all we want is some simple arithmetic.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I hate to get all bent out of shape here, but it is a classic case of "Pretzel Logic". </span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Great song by the way. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:suncat0@gmail.com" title="suncat0@gmail.com">Joe Sontag</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:vendorsmi@nfbnet.org" title="vendorsmi@nfbnet.org">VENDORSMI List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:39 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> [Vendorsmi] Training, Training, Who's Got The Training?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I just learned from a credible source that the new operator at the Secretary of State snack bar facility has made such a strong showing that McVetti and Associates (or however it's spelled) has bee brought in at their $150.00 per hour rate to make things even better out there. Now wait, isn't this the same firm that provided the core components of the training provided to the class that this operator allegedly passed? Bingo!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It should be noted that Assistant Manager Hull complained publically and privately that former trainer John McEntee was doing a poor job with the classes that he conducted and supervised. It is known that the operator in question here had failed the business math class twice prior to completing the most recent training class and it has been claimed that he was very late for a class session due to excessive partying with his friends the night before, making it necessary for Program Manager Zanger to get him out of the rack and take him out for breakfast. Under Mr. McEntee and most of the others who served before him, this would have led to expulsion from the class. All eyes are open on this one.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></font></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Vendorsmi mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vendorsmi@nfbnet.org">Vendorsmi@nfbnet.org</a><br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org</a><br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Vendorsmi:<br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></blockquote><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></font></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Vendorsmi mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vendorsmi@nfbnet.org">Vendorsmi@nfbnet.org</a><br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org</a><br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Vendorsmi:<br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/vendorsmi_nfbnet.org/joeharcz%40comcast.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></blockquote></div></body></html>