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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>hello Joe,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As I recall, not a very reliable thing, In 1995 we adopted a format for hearing requests that asked operators to state the issue, the rule violated and the requested remedy. Again, as I recall, this was not meant to reduce hearings, only to assist everyone, including the operator, to clarify the issue and how to deal with it. Many issues ought to be resolved quite simply.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You are correct in your underlying implication that there can not be a limit on grievances. The law clearly says that an operator can file for a hearing on ANY action of the agency. As the administrator, I did feel this is a little broad, but no matter, that is the law. Either they will see the obvious contradiction or another judge will set them straight. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Finally, I don’t think there is much of a point in filing for a hearing if there are no rule violations, so, theoretically, this procedure should not stop anything. As I stated above, operators will be much more successful if they can go into the hearing or grievance process with an idea of exactly which rules were violated. This may not end up to be an issue. On the other hand, it seems that the system can mess up an empty room, so to speak.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>WarmestRegards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fred<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Vendorsmi [mailto:vendorsmi-bounces@nfbnet.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joe Sontag<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:55 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> joe harcz Comcast; VENDORSMI List<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vendorsmi] I only heard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I've been informed that BSBP intends to grant hearings to BEP licensees only if they can cite a specific promulgated rule that has not been followed. The BEP tried to make that a requirement back in 1995, but it was rejected by the legal types outside of MCB.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:joeharcz@comcast.net" title="joeharcz@comcast.net">joe harcz Comcast</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:suncat0@gmail.com" title="suncat0@gmail.com">Joe Sontag</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:37<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: I only heard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi Joe,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Anymore on this?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:suncat0@gmail.com" title="suncat0@gmail.com">Joe Sontag</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:vendorsmi@nfbnet.org" title="vendorsmi@nfbnet.org">VENDORSMI List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:12 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> I only heard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If you've checked the bidline announcement at the time of this writing, you may have noticed that the Anderson Building Cafeteria, AKA the State Plate is not among the listed facilities. I have it from a credible source that Ed Rodgers, the new Director of the Bureau of Services for Blind Persons has ordered the facility removed from the bidline and has turned it over to the Michigan House of Representatives, saying that PA260 of 1978 does not apply. Were any of you on the Elected Operators' Committee informed that anything like this was coming?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If you have factual knowledge about this, please share it with all of us who care about the BEP, as the future of the Program depends on it. If the State Plate is lost, can all of the remaining State facilities be far behind? I won't reveal my source; and no, I'm not joking about any of this.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Joe Sontag</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></body></html>