[vendtalk] new money
Lou Burton
lburton at nc.rr.com
Sun Feb 1 20:10:46 UTC 2009
all they have done is to vary the size and that cause more prolbems
then is needed.
Later, Lou
At 14, 53 1/31/2009, you wrote:
>I think they should check with other countries that have done it
>already rather than reinventing the wheel.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Burton" <lburton at nc.rr.com>
>To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [vendtalk] new money
>
>
>>A very simple way to change the money could be done without
>>changing size or shape, and would also not fiddle with vending machine access.
>>
>>Take a bill, lay it down face up, diagonally cut the upper right
>>corner at a 45 degree angle, this orients the bill.
>>A five would have a hole punched in the upper left hand corner, a
>>ten would have a hole punched in the lower left corner, a 20 would
>>have a hole punched in the lower right corner;
>>a fifty would have holes punched in both upper left and lower left
>>as five tens equaling 50, and a one hundred would have holes
>>punched in the upper left and lower right as in 5 20s equaling 100,
>>and of course the one would only have the orienting 45 degree cut
>>in the upper right corner.
>>
>>Exsisting currency could be modified at the treasury as bills go
>>through circulation, that is as the banks send them in for deposits
>>with the feds, and all new currency could be modified when made,
>>and before long, all the bills in circulation would be of the new
>>modifications.
>>
>>And just think, we would not have to hire some one to format the
>>darn bills for deposit with our banks.
>>
>>Being a vendor myself, i don't think that these modifications would
>>bother the bill validaters at all.
>>
>>What yall think?
>>At 07, 21 1/30/2009, you wrote:
>>>This is a very interesting subject for many reasons but, forgoing any other
>>>talk about discrimination or equal access, it does present many complex
>>>problems.
>>> Just consider for a moment the cost that this kind of currency change
>>>might burden venders or the RS Program with. What about the vending
>>>machines? If the size or shape of the currency is changed to accomodate the
>>>blind in the community, then all of the vending machines have to be modified
>>>to accept these new bills. If the machines are not modified, then venders
>>>stand the chance of losing income because patrons might not have correct
>>>change and might, therefore, not have access to the vending machines.
>>> In any case, I think that this is a very long way away. Even if the
>>>treasury does decide that it would be appropriate to change the currency,
>>>then they have a great deal of work to do in replacing the currency that now
>>>exists. The cost of doing this would be incredible and it would probably
>>>take many years to gradually filter the old money out and the new money in.
>>>My best advice is to buy a currency identifier, sit back, and enjoy the
>>>show.
>>>
>>>On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Charlie Richardson <
>>>charlieofalbany at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > This could happen, but in all vending facilities, or at least
>>> it could > or
>>> > should be, a note teller in them. That way you know what
>>> currency > people
>>> > are handing you. There is also a certain amount of trust in
>>> our > customers
>>> > as this is a bit different from businesses on the street. I
>>> see the > same
>>> > customer sometime 4 or 5 times a day. So we are more a part of a
>>>community.
>>> > So the chances of cheating are less.
>>> >
>>> > As far as the lawsuit, the Department of the Treasury lost
>>> their case > last
>>> > May and I have not heard of another appeal, so they are
>>> probably in > process
>>> > of looking into an acceptable change of currency that will work for
>>> > businesses and the blind that brought the lawsuit.
>>> >
>>> > I think the NFB's position has been misunderstood as it is in
>>> many > other
>>> > cases. I have seen quotes and was quoted myself by Associated
>>> Press > that
>>> > the change isn't the problem, but the fact that it was brought on as a
>>> > discrimination case. My opinion would be that blind people being
>>>denied the
>>> > use of money would be discrimination. One of the judges was quoted as
>>> > saying, just because the blind can use money is like saying a
>>>person using a
>>> > wheelchair can drag themselves and their chair up stairs rather
>>>than using a
>>> > ramp. This is like comparing apples to oranges.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, arguing about it solves nothing because the case hasn't been
>>> > appealed as far as I know.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl echevarria" <
>>> > cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:52 PM
>>> > Subject: [vendtalk] new money
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I have a question, one day this week a new tv was on I don't watch it
>>> >> but the others at work have. The show is called what would you
>>>do. and in
>>> >> a segment, had an actor blinding a blind person who was buying
>>>something in
>>> >> a bakery and the merchant purposely who was also another
>>> action cheat >> the
>>> >> blind person, to see if people would react it the situation
>>> and help >> the
>>> >> blind person out. To me we go shopping at the time without
>>> any help >> like
>>> >> myself and if I am going to a merchant that I go to all the
>>>time, I usually
>>> >> don't worry about it. And I don't think they should have done this
>>> >> anything.
>>> >>
>>> >> But it was brought up again that the federal government is
>>> changing >> our
>>> >> money. I mentioned again to the people at work who I was having a
>>> >> conversation with that first of all I am my NFB family, just look at
>>> >> blindness as a nusuance. But they started insisting that we
>>>should fight to
>>> >> get money that we can use. I said why, we have been using
>>> money since >> it
>>> >> has been created now. They kept insisting that is happening now.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is this true that the government is changing I haven't heard
>>> nothing >> was
>>> >> posted on the lists or in the braille monitor.
>>> >>
>>> >> I want to show these people who are the ones that they now
>>> what is >> best
>>> >> for blind people what is going on if there is any updates.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:30 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Kevan:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You wrote "the Worley Blind Union." Is that a "Freudian slip???!!!"
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dave
>>> >>>
>>> >>> At 10:07 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
>>> >>> >Greetings colleagues,
>>> >>> >I have enjoyed the back and forth relative to lottery. Well,
>>> most of >>> >it.
>>> >>> >It
>>> >>> >would be really good if we could keep our eyes on the prize here. I
>>> >>> >think
>>> >>> >that, given the interest I've seen on the list, as well as
>>> from some >>> >of
>>> >>> >the
>>> >>> >calls I've received, the National Association of Blind
>>> Merchants >>> >should
>>> >>> >work
>>> >>> >with some folks and explore the very best way we can access lottery
>>> >>> >technologies. Dr. Maurer and Dr. Schroeder are very active at the
>>> >>> >highest
>>> >>> >levels of the Worley Blind Union. I will ask them to
>>> investigate >>> >what
>>> >>> >the
>>> >>> >Ansai folks are doing in Spain. I know that Charlie Richardson is
>>> >>> >continuing
>>> >>> >his follow up. Perhaps we can have a full report on options and
>>> >>> >possibilities at the upcoming BLAST conference. I'll put some effort
>>> >>> >into
>>> >>> >this. If you have comments, alternative techniques, and data
>>> to >>> >share,
>>> >>> >please be in touch with me.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >>> >From:
>>> vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> >[mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>> >On
>>> >>> >Behalf Of Charlie Richardson
>>> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:03 PM
>>> >>> >To: Vendor Talk Mailing List
>>> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >Then why are you continuing it here?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> >From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>>> >>> >To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:04 PM
>>> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > Tha's just it. He really does not. But that is a topic
>>> for >>> > > another
>>> >>> > > list.
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > Loren Wakefield
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > "The best way to predict your Future is to create it."
>>> Dr. >>> > > Forress C.
>>> >>> > > Shaklee
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> >>> > > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:36 AM
>>> >>> > > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >> What does that have to do with anything and he admits he
>>> is >>> > >> legally
>>> >>> > >> blind.
>>> >>> > >>
>>> >>> > >> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> >>> > >>
>>> >>> > >>
>>> >>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > >> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>>> >>> > >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:35 AM
>>> >>> > >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >>
>>> >>> > >>
>>> >>> > >>> The Governor has to admit to being blind first.
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> Loren Wakefield
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> "The best way to predict your Future is to create it."
>>> Dr. >>> > >>> Forress
>>> >>> > >>> C.
>>> >>> > >>> Shaklee
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > >>> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>>> >>> > >>> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:42 PM
>>> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> > It's not a talking verifier, but a talking handheld
>>> terminal. >>> > >>> > >
>>> >>> >>> > When I
>>> >>> > >>> > showed
>>> >>> > >>> > this story from G-Tech's website to our state senator
>>> who is >>> > >>> > the
>>> >>> > >>> > chair
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> > of
>>> >>> > >>> > the racing and wagering committee, he wondered why a
>>> small > >>> > >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > country
>>> >>> > >>> > like
>>> >>> > >>> > Spain is using this technology when no one in the
>>> U.S. is. >>> > >>> > In >
>>> >>> >>> > short
>>> >>> > >>> > it
>>> >>> > >>> > seems like no one asked the right person, hopefully
>>> by having >>> > >>> > a >
>>> >>> >>> > blind
>>> >>> > >>> > governor in New York has brought awareness. This
>>> fact was > >>> > >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > brought up
>>> >>> > >>> > at
>>> >>> > >>> > the
>>> >>> > >>> > meeting with the director of lottery. Again, I say,
>>> we'll >>> > >>> > see. >
>>> >>> >>> > The
>>> >>> > >>> > following link takes you to a 2002 press release.
>>> >>> > >>> > http://www.gtech.com/news/2002news/1223.asp
>>> >>> > >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > >>> > From: "important" <eloheem11 at verizon.net>
>>> >>> > >>> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > >>> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:52 PM
>>> >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> >> Wow, those numbers are outstanding I'm wondering
>>> what is the >>> > >>> >> >
>>> >>> >>> >> customer
>>> >>> > >>> >> base
>>> >>> > >>> >> just for the lottery in comparison to other product?
>>> and do >>> > >>> >> you
>>> >>> > >>> >> have
>>> >>> > >>> >> a
>>> >>> > >>> >> web
>>> >>> > >>> >> site for that accessible or talking hand held
>>> ticket >>> > >>> >> verifier?
>>> >>> > >>> >> Regards
>>> >>> > >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > >>> >> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>>> >>> > >>> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > >>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:42 PM
>>> >>> > >>> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >>> >>
>>> >>> > >>> >>
>>> >>> > >>> >>> In New York there are several, over 20, vendors who
>>> sell > >>> > >>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> lottery
>>> >>> > >>> >>> tickets.
>>> >>> > >>> >>> Some have employees, some don't. The issue with
>>> the >>> > >>> >>> terminals
>>> >>> > >>> >>> being
>>> >>> > >>> >>> accessible is being looked into as the company
>>> G-tech that >>> > >>> >>> is >
>>> >>> >>> >>> the
>>> >>> > >>> >>> provider has hand held talking terminals they
>>> supplied >>> > >>> >>> Spain >
>>> >>> >>> >>> with
>>> >>> > >>> >>> since
>>> >>> > >>> >>> the lottery business in Spain is only sold by blind
>>> people. >>> > >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>> The RFP
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> >>> for
>>> >>> > >>> >>> their new contract is suppose to require non-visual
>>> access. >>> > >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>> I'll
>>> >>> > >>> >>> know
>>> >>> > >>> >>> more soon.
>>> >>> > >>> >>>
>>> >>> > >>> >>> Other than that there are no restrictions and some
>>> do >>> > >>> >>> believe >
>>> >>> >>> >>> since
>>> >>> > >>> >>> you
>>> >>> > >>> >>> only make 6 cents on a dollar it's not worth it, but like
>>> >>> > >>> >>> snowflakes,
>>> >>> > >>> >>> eventually it's enough to shovel and I believe the
>>> average >>> > >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>> agent in
>>> >>> > >>> >>> New
>>> >>> > >>> >>> York is doing between 400,000 and 500,000 per year
>>> in >>> > >>> >>> sales. I
>>> >>> > >>> >>> know
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> >>> of
>>> >>> > >>> >>> at least 2 in our program that do near a million a
>>> year in >>> > >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>> sales.
>>> >>> > >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > >>> >>> From: "Harlon Cowsar II" <deucehc at gmail.com>
>>> >>> > >>> >>> To: <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:54 PM
>>> >>> > >>> >>> Subject: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >>> >>>
>>> >>> > >>> >>>
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> Hello,
>>> >>> > >>> >>>>
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> I am a vender in training and was wondering if
>>> there is >>> > >>> >>>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>>> anyone
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> out
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> there
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> who can give me some information about RS Venders
>>> and the >>> > >>> >>>> sale
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> of
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> lottery
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets. If there are any venders out there who
>>> are >>> > >>> >>>> working in
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> states
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> that
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> participate in lotteries please try to answer some
>>> of my > >>> > >>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>> inquiries.
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> Are RS Venders allowed to participate as venders
>>> of >>> > >>> >>>> lottery
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets?
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> If
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> not, then why? Are there specific restrictions
>>> that >>> > >>> >>>> proclude >
>>> >>> >>> >>>> RS
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> Venders
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> from
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> selling lottery tickets? Are there particular
>>> restrictions >>> > >>> >>>> in
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> state
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> and
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> federal buildings that prevent the sale of
>>> lottery >>> > >>> >>>> tickets? Do
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> most
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> venders
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> just not choose to sell lottery tickets because
>>> of > >>> >>> > >>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>> difficulties
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> with
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> the
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> equipment or because it is more trouble than it is
>>> really >>> > >>> >>>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>>> worth?
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> I would greatly appreciate any information that
>>> anyone >>> > >>> >>>> might
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> be
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> able
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> to
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> offer me regarding these questions.
>>> >>> > >>> >>>>
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> Thanks,
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> Harlon
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