[vendtalk] new money
Charlie Richardson
charlieofalbany at hotmail.com
Sat Jan 31 19:53:52 UTC 2009
I think they should check with other countries that have done it already
rather than reinventing the wheel.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lou Burton" <lburton at nc.rr.com>
To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [vendtalk] new money
>A very simple way to change the money could be done without changing size
>or shape, and would also not fiddle with vending machine access.
>
> Take a bill, lay it down face up, diagonally cut the upper right corner at
> a 45 degree angle, this orients the bill.
> A five would have a hole punched in the upper left hand corner, a ten
> would have a hole punched in the lower left corner, a 20 would have a hole
> punched in the lower right corner;
> a fifty would have holes punched in both upper left and lower left as five
> tens equaling 50, and a one hundred would have holes punched in the upper
> left and lower right as in 5 20s equaling 100, and of course the one would
> only have the orienting 45 degree cut in the upper right corner.
>
> Exsisting currency could be modified at the treasury as bills go through
> circulation, that is as the banks send them in for deposits with the feds,
> and all new currency could be modified when made, and before long, all the
> bills in circulation would be of the new modifications.
>
> And just think, we would not have to hire some one to format the darn
> bills for deposit with our banks.
>
> Being a vendor myself, i don't think that these modifications would bother
> the bill validaters at all.
>
> What yall think?
> At 07, 21 1/30/2009, you wrote:
>>This is a very interesting subject for many reasons but, forgoing any
>>other
>>talk about discrimination or equal access, it does present many complex
>>problems.
>> Just consider for a moment the cost that this kind of currency change
>>might burden venders or the RS Program with. What about the vending
>>machines? If the size or shape of the currency is changed to accomodate
>>the
>>blind in the community, then all of the vending machines have to be
>>modified
>>to accept these new bills. If the machines are not modified, then venders
>>stand the chance of losing income because patrons might not have correct
>>change and might, therefore, not have access to the vending machines.
>> In any case, I think that this is a very long way away. Even if the
>>treasury does decide that it would be appropriate to change the currency,
>>then they have a great deal of work to do in replacing the currency that
>>now
>>exists. The cost of doing this would be incredible and it would probably
>>take many years to gradually filter the old money out and the new money
>>in.
>>My best advice is to buy a currency identifier, sit back, and enjoy the
>>show.
>>
>>On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Charlie Richardson <
>>charlieofalbany at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > This could happen, but in all vending facilities, or at least it could
>> > or
>> > should be, a note teller in them. That way you know what currency
>> > people
>> > are handing you. There is also a certain amount of trust in our
>> > customers
>> > as this is a bit different from businesses on the street. I see the
>> > same
>> > customer sometime 4 or 5 times a day. So we are more a part of a
>> community.
>> > So the chances of cheating are less.
>> >
>> > As far as the lawsuit, the Department of the Treasury lost their case
>> > last
>> > May and I have not heard of another appeal, so they are probably in
>> > process
>> > of looking into an acceptable change of currency that will work for
>> > businesses and the blind that brought the lawsuit.
>> >
>> > I think the NFB's position has been misunderstood as it is in many
>> > other
>> > cases. I have seen quotes and was quoted myself by Associated Press
>> > that
>> > the change isn't the problem, but the fact that it was brought on as a
>> > discrimination case. My opinion would be that blind people being
>> denied the
>> > use of money would be discrimination. One of the judges was quoted as
>> > saying, just because the blind can use money is like saying a
>> person using a
>> > wheelchair can drag themselves and their chair up stairs rather
>> than using a
>> > ramp. This is like comparing apples to oranges.
>> >
>> > Anyway, arguing about it solves nothing because the case hasn't been
>> > appealed as far as I know.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl echevarria" <
>> > cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:52 PM
>> > Subject: [vendtalk] new money
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a question, one day this week a new tv was on I don't watch it
>> >> but the others at work have. The show is called what would you
>> do. and in
>> >> a segment, had an actor blinding a blind person who was buying
>> something in
>> >> a bakery and the merchant purposely who was also another action cheat
>> >> the
>> >> blind person, to see if people would react it the situation and help
>> >> the
>> >> blind person out. To me we go shopping at the time without any help
>> >> like
>> >> myself and if I am going to a merchant that I go to all the
>> time, I usually
>> >> don't worry about it. And I don't think they should have done this
>> >> anything.
>> >>
>> >> But it was brought up again that the federal government is changing
>> >> our
>> >> money. I mentioned again to the people at work who I was having a
>> >> conversation with that first of all I am my NFB family, just look at
>> >> blindness as a nusuance. But they started insisting that we
>> should fight to
>> >> get money that we can use. I said why, we have been using money since
>> >> it
>> >> has been created now. They kept insisting that is happening now.
>> >>
>> >> Is this true that the government is changing I haven't heard nothing
>> >> was
>> >> posted on the lists or in the braille monitor.
>> >>
>> >> I want to show these people who are the ones that they now what is
>> >> best
>> >> for blind people what is going on if there is any updates.
>> >>
>> >> Cheryl Echevarria
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:30 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Kevan:
>> >>>
>> >>> You wrote "the Worley Blind Union." Is that a "Freudian slip???!!!"
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave
>> >>>
>> >>> At 10:07 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
>> >>> >Greetings colleagues,
>> >>> >I have enjoyed the back and forth relative to lottery. Well, most of
>> >>> >it.
>> >>> >It
>> >>> >would be really good if we could keep our eyes on the prize here. I
>> >>> >think
>> >>> >that, given the interest I've seen on the list, as well as from some
>> >>> >of
>> >>> >the
>> >>> >calls I've received, the National Association of Blind Merchants
>> >>> >should
>> >>> >work
>> >>> >with some folks and explore the very best way we can access lottery
>> >>> >technologies. Dr. Maurer and Dr. Schroeder are very active at the
>> >>> >highest
>> >>> >levels of the Worley Blind Union. I will ask them to investigate
>> >>> >what
>> >>> >the
>> >>> >Ansai folks are doing in Spain. I know that Charlie Richardson is
>> >>> >continuing
>> >>> >his follow up. Perhaps we can have a full report on options and
>> >>> >possibilities at the upcoming BLAST conference. I'll put some effort
>> >>> >into
>> >>> >this. If you have comments, alternative techniques, and data to
>> >>> >share,
>> >>> >please be in touch with me.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >>> >From: vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>> >[mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>> >On
>> >>> >Behalf Of Charlie Richardson
>> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:03 PM
>> >>> >To: Vendor Talk Mailing List
>> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Then why are you continuing it here?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >>> >From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>> >>> >To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:04 PM
>> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Tha's just it. He really does not. But that is a topic for
>> >>> > > another
>> >>> > > list.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Loren Wakefield
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr.
>> >>> > > Forress C.
>> >>> > > Shaklee
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> >>> > > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:36 AM
>> >>> > > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >> What does that have to do with anything and he admits he is
>> >>> > >> legally
>> >>> > >> blind.
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Cheryl Echevarria
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > >> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>> >>> > >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:35 AM
>> >>> > >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>> The Governor has to admit to being blind first.
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> Loren Wakefield
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr.
>> >>> > >>> Forress
>> >>> > >>> C.
>> >>> > >>> Shaklee
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > >>> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>> >>> > >>> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:42 PM
>> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> > It's not a talking verifier, but a talking handheld terminal.
>> >>> > >>> > >
>> >>> >>> > When I
>> >>> > >>> > showed
>> >>> > >>> > this story from G-Tech's website to our state senator who is
>> >>> > >>> > the
>> >>> > >>> > chair
>> >>> >
>> >>> > >>> > of
>> >>> > >>> > the racing and wagering committee, he wondered why a small >
>> >>> > >>> > >>>
>> >>> > country
>> >>> > >>> > like
>> >>> > >>> > Spain is using this technology when no one in the U.S. is.
>> >>> > >>> > In >
>> >>> >>> > short
>> >>> > >>> > it
>> >>> > >>> > seems like no one asked the right person, hopefully by having
>> >>> > >>> > a >
>> >>> >>> > blind
>> >>> > >>> > governor in New York has brought awareness. This fact was >
>> >>> > >>> > >>>
>> >>> > brought up
>> >>> > >>> > at
>> >>> > >>> > the
>> >>> > >>> > meeting with the director of lottery. Again, I say, we'll
>> >>> > >>> > see. >
>> >>> >>> > The
>> >>> > >>> > following link takes you to a 2002 press release.
>> >>> > >>> > http://www.gtech.com/news/2002news/1223.asp
>> >>> > >>> >
>> >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > >>> > From: "important" <eloheem11 at verizon.net>
>> >>> > >>> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> > >>> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:52 PM
>> >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >>> > >>> >
>> >>> > >>> >
>> >>> > >>> >> Wow, those numbers are outstanding I'm wondering what is the
>> >>> > >>> >> >
>> >>> >>> >> customer
>> >>> > >>> >> base
>> >>> > >>> >> just for the lottery in comparison to other product? and do
>> >>> > >>> >> you
>> >>> > >>> >> have
>> >>> > >>> >> a
>> >>> > >>> >> web
>> >>> > >>> >> site for that accessible or talking hand held ticket
>> >>> > >>> >> verifier?
>> >>> > >>> >> Regards
>> >>> > >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > >>> >> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>> >>> > >>> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> > >>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:42 PM
>> >>> > >>> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >>> > >>> >>
>> >>> > >>> >>
>> >>> > >>> >>> In New York there are several, over 20, vendors who sell >
>> >>> > >>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> lottery
>> >>> > >>> >>> tickets.
>> >>> > >>> >>> Some have employees, some don't. The issue with the
>> >>> > >>> >>> terminals
>> >>> > >>> >>> being
>> >>> > >>> >>> accessible is being looked into as the company G-tech that
>> >>> > >>> >>> is >
>> >>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> > >>> >>> provider has hand held talking terminals they supplied
>> >>> > >>> >>> Spain >
>> >>> >>> >>> with
>> >>> > >>> >>> since
>> >>> > >>> >>> the lottery business in Spain is only sold by blind people.
>> >>> > >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >>> The RFP
>> >>> >
>> >>> > >>> >>> for
>> >>> > >>> >>> their new contract is suppose to require non-visual access.
>> >>> > >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >>> I'll
>> >>> > >>> >>> know
>> >>> > >>> >>> more soon.
>> >>> > >>> >>>
>> >>> > >>> >>> Other than that there are no restrictions and some do
>> >>> > >>> >>> believe >
>> >>> >>> >>> since
>> >>> > >>> >>> you
>> >>> > >>> >>> only make 6 cents on a dollar it's not worth it, but like
>> >>> > >>> >>> snowflakes,
>> >>> > >>> >>> eventually it's enough to shovel and I believe the average
>> >>> > >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >>> agent in
>> >>> > >>> >>> New
>> >>> > >>> >>> York is doing between 400,000 and 500,000 per year in
>> >>> > >>> >>> sales. I
>> >>> > >>> >>> know
>> >>> >
>> >>> > >>> >>> of
>> >>> > >>> >>> at least 2 in our program that do near a million a year in
>> >>> > >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >>> sales.
>> >>> > >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > >>> >>> From: "Harlon Cowsar II" <deucehc at gmail.com>
>> >>> > >>> >>> To: <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> > >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:54 PM
>> >>> > >>> >>> Subject: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >>> > >>> >>>
>> >>> > >>> >>>
>> >>> > >>> >>>> Hello,
>> >>> > >>> >>>>
>> >>> > >>> >>>> I am a vender in training and was wondering if there is
>> >>> > >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>> >>>> anyone
>> >>> > >>> >>>> out
>> >>> > >>> >>>> there
>> >>> > >>> >>>> who can give me some information about RS Venders and the
>> >>> > >>> >>>> sale
>> >>> > >>> >>>> of
>> >>> > >>> >>>> lottery
>> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets. If there are any venders out there who are
>> >>> > >>> >>>> working in
>> >>> > >>> >>>> states
>> >>> > >>> >>>> that
>> >>> > >>> >>>> participate in lotteries please try to answer some of my >
>> >>> > >>> >>>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> inquiries.
>> >>> > >>> >>>> Are RS Venders allowed to participate as venders of
>> >>> > >>> >>>> lottery
>> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets?
>> >>> > >>> >>>> If
>> >>> > >>> >>>> not, then why? Are there specific restrictions that
>> >>> > >>> >>>> proclude >
>> >>> >>> >>>> RS
>> >>> > >>> >>>> Venders
>> >>> > >>> >>>> from
>> >>> > >>> >>>> selling lottery tickets? Are there particular restrictions
>> >>> > >>> >>>> in
>> >>> > >>> >>>> state
>> >>> >
>> >>> > >>> >>>> and
>> >>> > >>> >>>> federal buildings that prevent the sale of lottery
>> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets? Do
>> >>> > >>> >>>> most
>> >>> > >>> >>>> venders
>> >>> > >>> >>>> just not choose to sell lottery tickets because of > >>>
>> >>> > >>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>> difficulties
>> >>> > >>> >>>> with
>> >>> > >>> >>>> the
>> >>> > >>> >>>> equipment or because it is more trouble than it is really
>> >>> > >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>> >>>> worth?
>> >>> > >>> >>>> I would greatly appreciate any information that anyone
>> >>> > >>> >>>> might
>> >>> > >>> >>>> be
>> >>> > >>> >>>> able
>> >>> > >>> >>>> to
>> >>> > >>> >>>> offer me regarding these questions.
>> >>> > >>> >>>>
>> >>> > >>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>> > >>> >>>> Harlon
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