[vendtalk] Fw: Re: Seeking fee advice for rookie who wasunable toturn around bad facility

mazher mazher at comcast.net
Tue Dec 25 14:19:39 UTC 2012 

Thank you for offering your assistance.  Hopefully, Mr. Scot Cavna, the
person who posted the original cry for help, will get in touch with you to
secure whatever relief might be available at your end.  Thanks for making
yourself available.  

Mazher

-----Original Message-----
From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Annette
Lutz
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:08 PM
To: 'Vendor Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [vendtalk] Fw: Re: Seeking fee advice for rookie who wasunable
toturn around bad facility

Hello All,

I am the President of the Ohio Blind Merchants, and would like the
opportunity to speak to the individual that has been discussed in these
emails.  I am not sure who this is, but have narrowed it down to maybe a
couple of possabilities.  Please have him contact me at the below address,
and we will see if we can help his cause.

I hope that everyone on this list has a blessed Christmas and a happy new
year.

Annette Lutz
annettelutz at att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Terry Eagle
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:41 AM
To: 'Vendor Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [vendtalk] Fw: Re: Seeking fee advice for rookie who was unable
toturn around bad facility

Hello,

In Michigan, that is standard operating procedure for the SLA, as
demonstrated by support for proposed WORK-TO-WELFARE legislation for blind
vendors, by stripping certain state buildings from the list of mandated
state blind vendor facilities.  

-----Original Message-----
From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phyliss
Davis
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:49 PM
To: vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org
Cc: vendtalk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [vendtalk] Fw: Re: Seeking fee advice for rookie who was unable
toturn around bad facility

Trust me, your friend is not alone and no, this is not the first time a
Sla Rehabilitation  Agency is not acting in the best interest of
the trainee. Call Nick Gacos..if he can't help he will find somene who can.
Also, if possible reach out to Ohio's CBV's. United we stand, divided we
fall[or are ignored}. keep us posted, we other vendors do care and we are
not passing judgement.  This is STILL OUR program! Phyliss Davis, GA BEP
770-635-8433

--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Kevan Worley <kevanworley at blindmerchants.org> wrote:


From: Kevan Worley <kevanworley at blindmerchants.org>
Subject: Re: [vendtalk] Seeking fee advice for rookie who was unable to turn
around bad facility
To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, December 17, 2012, 11:15 AM


First, none of us should find fault with him because we don't know all the
details. Second, this is not an uncommon situation. Third, if your friend is
active in the National Federation of the Blind, i.e. a contributor in some
form or fashion, he ought to call me. There are a number of questions which
would need to be asked before one could determine the best strategy. Not
knowing all the details, one can't know if your friend dropped the ball or
if the agency forced him into a situation where dropping the ball was out of
his control. Many of us started the program under extraordinarily difficult
circumstances. Many of our locations were the old-fashioned "under the
stairs, in the basement, beneath the leaky pipe, across from the men's room,
down the hall from the linen closet, beyond security with no agency support,
having been set up to fail." Some through grit, imagination and luck have
been able to battle through those challenges and find some  success. Some
have not been as lucky. We absolutely must fight for those who despite their
very best effort, were not given real opportunities for success. The devil
is always in the details. The NFB/NABM has legal counsel and advocacy
expertise and success. 

At your service,



Kevan Worley
Executive Director
National Association of Blind Merchants
kevanworley at blindmerchants.org
866-543-6808




-----Original Message-----
From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cavna
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 9:19 AM
To: vendtalk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [vendtalk] Seeking fee advice for rookie who was unable to turn
around bad facility

Hello
    I know somone who went thru the Ohio Randolph Sheppard program. After
training the state offered to put him into a facility with a history
of failure. Not seeing many other options he took the state up on the
offer.  Not surprisingly as a newbie he was unable to turn the business
around.  The state is now taking him to court to recover the start-up
inventory they had invested and was subsequently lost by the failing
business.
   I'm sure it would be easy for some on this list to be critical of this
guy for not being able to re-pay the vendors program.  However
I respectfully suggest that it is easy to criticize when you don't have to
walk in someone elses situation.   
   Anyway legal aid won't help since it is a civil case, so this guy is
going to attempt to take on the state in civil court by himself.  Any
suggestions would be appreciated.  We are attempting to use the argument
that the state should be liable for the star-up inventory cost since they
set-up the newbie vendor in a facility they knew was a failure. 
    Apologize for the cross posting, But I will probably post this to the
blindlaw list as well.
                   Thanks 
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