[vendtalk] SODA MACHINES

Tue Oct 16 22:41:04 UTC 2012

Thanks for the information!  I have more questions, however.

Has there been any bargaining with any beverage company as a third party
vendor that does not use the company's machines?  And, if so, has this
impacted the prices they extend?

I understand that Coke and Pepsi do not account for beverage vending
machines as assets but write them off as advertising.  This may account for
their poor record of service and also might affect negatively any
negotiating attempt made whether their machines are used or not.  If this is
the case, this line of pursuit might be for naught.

But they do have national vending accounts.  And, in my mind, we, as a
single entity, are probably as large as most.  But, therein lies the rub, a
single entity. 

It has been the determination in Florida that nothing can be achieved unless
there is a "strike" commitment from the vendors.  Maybe, and this is good,
because of the program's success, the blind lack the necessary fire to
really do this.  That is why I have addressed my questions to this forum.
After all, isn't the NFB willing to go to the  mattresses for that which it
believes in?

Everyone thinks this is a good idea.    I, as a Florida vendor, have acted
on my own to achieve this  with moderate success.  But Coke or Pepsi, or
even Vistar, need addressing on a larger scale.

I would be delighted to work with anyone who is serious about working
achieving better beverage prices for RS vendors.

Thanks,

Dennis Horn

-----Original Message-----
From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of mazher
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Terry, thank you for the info.  This is helpful.  

Mazher
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From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Terry Eagle
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:21 AM
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Here in Michigan each blind vendor has the option to service or have
serviced non-state owned soda vending machigan machines.  Blind vendors
service state owned machines.  We encourage blind vendors to service
machines themselves, obviously for higher profits.

Terry Eagle, President
Michigan Association of Blind Merchants

-----Original Message-----
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In Washington DC, we contract out all of our vending machine business and
vendors receive a commission check.  Many vendors are unhappy about not
being able to fill their own machines, so we are actively exploring that
option.  I believe neighboring Maryland has similar arrangements in place.
How is this handled in New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Texas and
California, anyone? 
Mazher

-----Original Message-----
From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rhonda
Hutson
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:01 PM
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Oklahoma has a majority of their state owned machines but we do have some 
pepsi and coke machines where our agency could not afford to get them for 
us.

Rhonda Hutson
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Dennis Horn
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The blind vendors in Florida, when they were under the control of
Tallahassee, were perceived by Coke & Pepsi as a single buying unit.  We
received prices in line with being one of the largest wholesales soda
purchases in the sate.  Since we became independent contractors, Coke has
been able to exploit the fact we are all small vendors.  They are
automatically raising prices at least 3% /year regardless of their cost
increases.  We threatened, they called our bluff, and they won.  Because of
this our prices will soon be in line with small third party vendors
throughout the state.  The vendors have become a paper tiger when it comes
to any meaningful negotiations with Coke and Pepsi, which follows Coke.

The reason for my first message is to find if any states buy their own soda
machines in order to enable vendors to legitimately buy from other sources.
I would appreciate any information or opinion regarding this alternative.

National contracts are done by both Coke and Pepsi.  The RSVA is working
with Pepsi for rebates, so the door is open there.  Coke just granted a
national buying contract to a friend of mine in Florida who buys 10% of what
the vendors do.  He is only in Florida and we are in all the states.

Independence is great but, unless a means of addressing our wholesale price
vulnerability is found, it may make the program less enticing to operators.
Right now I hear complaints from vendors not making enough money.  But they
will not participate in any concerted effort to bargain with any wholesaler.
They are independent, which I applaud.  Sometimes, however, I think they are
cutting their nose off despite their face.

I brought up a national contract years ago and was told it was in the
process and would soon be done.  Nothing ever materialized.

I know this will be difficult.  I have grown my own business outside of the
program in order to partake, in a meaningful way, rebates and those
discounts achieved with greater purchases.  I don't have an answer.  But, in
my mind, the only means of making this program what it has the potential to
be, is pursuing national contracts.

Dennis Horn

-----Original Message-----
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Whatever has gone before is water under the bridge.  I think we all have a
shared interest in putting our collective buying power to work.  The trick
of course is to come up with an end result that has some real tangible
benefit for the individual vendor.  Far too often in the past, the benefits
of partnership have been too elusive and indirect.  This looks like a doable
and worthwhile initiative.  Let's give it a collective push to see what we
can score.  If I can lend a hand, please contact me at the email address
below.

Mazher at comcast.net
Phone: (202) 415-9450.
Chair, Policy Sub Committee
DC Randolph Sheppard Vending Facility Program

-----Original Message-----
From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kevan
Worley
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There are plenty of long winded reasons why it hasn't been done. However, I
believe there are exciting things to come in this area. Nicky Gacos,
President, NABM, is working at a high level with Coke and Pepsi, as well as
some other possible partners to create a national buying program. It is
heavy lifting, but if anyone can do it he can. Many states have worked with
both Pepsi and Coke to get a pretty low, competitive wholesale price. Most
states, I think, get their machines directly from the soft drink companies,
but some also buy some of those machines. If you'd like to work with our
leadership team on this effort, let's do it. I hope that's a short winded
response. I wish it was a better one.

Kevan Worley
Executive Director
National Association of Blind Merchants
kevanworley at blindmerchants.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Horn
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:04 PM
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Are there any states that buy their own soda/pop/beverage machines?    In
Florida we are all third party vendors which puts us at a decided
disadvantage when it comes to bargaining.
Also, what about a national contract with Coke/Pepsi/Dr pepper Snapple 7 Up?
Any ideas?
Please no long winded reasons why it can't be done.

Thanks,

Dennis Horn

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