[vendtalk] Delaware Bill Seeks ToExpandBlind VendorOpportunities

mazher mazher at comcast.net
Tue Jun 25 01:55:18 UTC 2013 

What unadulterated nonsense!  

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From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Horn
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The Texas response to your inquiry seems right to me.  I am baffled by what
seems to be occurring in Delaware, if it is what you say.  Maybe I have no
brains for I cannot see how any bill authorizing selected businesses an
advantage over their competitors by participating in government contracts is
constitutional.  Obviously it is done by attaching the blind stigma to it.
Legal challenges are short-circuited by this stigma.  .    After all, who
opposes anything for the blind?  It makes PC's feel good to help the blind
as long as it is at the expense of someone else.  And what makes people feel
good can only be good, regardless of the law.  

I see no comparison on what goes on in private contracting arrangements and
sharing of government contracts with a select few businesses.  But, of
course, blind businesses are different.  I think this is a tacit admission
that we need help.  

Here's a surprise-- I am totally blind and I oppose it.  My opposition is
made even more strident by the insult I think all blind business people
should feel by counting on the government to make them competitive.  We have
already been given an opportunity.  At what point do we, or some of us,
admit that we just can't cut it.  People do fail, even in the BEP/BBE
program.

Here's another surprise for the blind-- Wal-Mart-- started out as one store.

But I have no shame, if an opportunity like this is presented, I will use
it.  It is the world we now live in.    

I swear the Vandals are at the gate.


Blindness is an opportunity, not an obstacle,

Dennis Horn
  


-----Original Message-----
From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of mazher
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 4:28 AM
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Hi Mike, 
Thanks for the info.  I did understand what you were trying to say the first
go around.  Being able to piggyback on more favorable terms is a no brainer.
And especially so in a large state like Texas.    
Cheers.

Mazher
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From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Vandervoort's
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:47 PM
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To clarify some misunderstandings and keep the dialog going . . . . 

Doing what a manager should do is a given and not questioned by anyone.  

In Texas, we can buy from anyone at any price we can get, just like any
other mom and pop business.  What we cannot do, or at least no one here has
found out how, is to leverage our collective buying into significantly
better pricing.  But even if we could do that, we would not come close to
the volume pricing for some of the same product that the State of Texas
already receives.  

The issue was not that managers have to buy from the state or through their
BEP program.  The proposal, as I understand it, is whether managers can also
select to buy against otherwise existing state contracts negotiated in other
departments and thus benefit by the state's huge volume buying.  This is a
standard technique in other industries for many subcontracting
organizations.  That is, letting the little guy benefit from great pricing
the big guy is getting, usually to get lower end prices to the big guy.  It
only makes since for a manager to also be allowed to buy against state
contracts as an option.  We are selling, after all, mostly to state and
federal employees.  

The idea is about same product, maybe same supplier, better supplier prices
and not having to do much since the government entities are already
negotiating and purchasing. The Texas prison system is probably the largest
single buyer of Coke products in Texas.  They can offer Coke products to
guards and inmates at end-user prices, with required margins, near my best
wholesale cost from Coke under gold FLO pricing, and I cannot sell to
inmates except in visitation.  So, if I can simply invoke the state's
pricing in my purchases and benefit from the state's negotiated low price,
why wouldn't I?  It takes nothing away, but does provide options to me.

And, no, I would not want our state BET program staff to go out and
negotiate supplier pricing agreements and then we have to buy through the
state.  It is not about someone telling you where to buy.  It is about
giving the manager more options and potentially better existing pricing as
an option. 

Mike Vandervoort
Abilene, TX

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From: vendtalk [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rhonda
Hutson
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:16 PM
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I agree with this! I don't want the state to tell me where I have to buy my
products from! I am the manager, not the state!



Rhonda Hutson
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Dennis Horn
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:41 PM
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VendorOpportunities

In most states the BEP/BBE operators are private contractors.  In Florida
this was done by operator choice.  This allows them to shop around and get
the best deals they can.  The outcome has been one of the most envied and
prosperous programs in the country.  I daresay no operator in Florida wants
the state to negotiate prices for them.

On the surface this might seem a means to increase operator profits.  But if
it came about there would be strings attached.  Any benefit would be
mitigated by unforeseen intrusions.  We have to be careful of what we ask
the government for-they only want to help.

My best advice to any operator in this country is to work hard, apply sound
business principles, work hard, rely on yourself, and work hard.  Then, I
guarantee, you will prosper.

Dennis Horn





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Vandervoort's
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Though it is not yet law, I believe that this capability should be the case
for every state's BEP/BET program.  It would allow even the smallest vendor
to get better pricing for product and improve the blind managers'
profitability.  I had asked about this in Texas but was told that state law
forbids the state from passing along any such benefit to private/non-state
businesses or organizations.
(PS - Texas Gov Rick Perry vetoed a bill that would impose dietary
restrictions on sugary drink products sold through vending machines in some
public schools.  The new law would have expanded current laws.)

>From Vending Times
Issue Date: Vol. 53, No. 7, July 2013, Posted On: 6/18/2013
Delaware Bill Seeks To Expand Blind Vendor Opportunities
Emily Jed
Emily at vendingtimes.net

DOVER, DE -- Delaware lawmakers have introduced a bill in the state
Legislature that would broaden economic opportunities for blind residents in
the state by creating snack bars, cafeterias and vending facilities on
federal, state and municipal properties.
Under federal law and state law, Delaware's Business Enterprise Program is
granted priority to operate vending facilities on federal and state
property. The proposed legislation -- HB 139 -- would amend these rules to
allow licensed participants in Delaware's BEP to purchase materials and
nonprofessional services under any central contract negotiated by the state.

Source:
http://vendingtimes.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=Articles&type=Publishing&mod=
Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=0FD
373C40FBD447EAC61629DA431376A



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