[Artists-making-art] raised line drawing boards

Sat Dec 3 14:16:32 UTC 2011

Hey list,
I purchased a raised line drawing board at national convention (mine
was one made by Ann's student). I have used it to sketch out what I
want to make with brads and other items for three-dimensional art. I
also plan to use it with my student assistant for algebra...he can
trace graphs with it onto regular paper so I can feel what it looks
like, as wel as shapes and other algebraic stuff. :D I reall like y
newdrawing board!

~Jewel

On 12/2/11, Heather Kirkwood <hkdawn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> No, I didn't add an attachment. Not sure what that was.
>
>
> Heather Kirkwood
> Director of Outreach, Vice President
> Hermansky-Pudlak Syndrome Network
> One South Road
> Oyster Bay, NY 11771
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>
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>
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> --- On Fri, 12/2/11, ann at acunningham.com <ann at acunningham.com> wrote:
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>
> From: ann at acunningham.com <ann at acunningham.com>
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] raised line drawing boards
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 10:24 PM
>
>
>
>
> Hi Heather, did you add an attachment? My email had a paperclip but it
> didn't come through. I don' think the list allows attachments. Ann
>
>
> Ann Cunningham
> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the world!
> 303 238 4760
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] raised line drawing boards
> From: Heather Kirkwood <hkdawn at yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, December 02, 2011 7:46 pm
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>
>
>
>
>
> This looks really interesting. What fun! I love doing pen and ink drawings
> and this would be a great way to make them more tactile. Thanks for sharing.
>
>
> Heather Kirkwood
> Director of Outreach, Vice President
> Hermansky-Pudlak Syndrome Network
> One South Road
> Oyster Bay, NY 11771
> 1 (800) 789-9HPS
> www.hpsnetwork.org
>
> Personal blog: www.heatherkirkwood.blogspot.com
>
> Search the Web at www.goodsearch.com and choose the HPS Network as your
> charity!
>
> HPS New York Conference - March 16-18, 2012
>
> --- On Fri, 12/2/11, ann at acunningham.com <ann at acunningham.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: ann at acunningham.com <ann at acunningham.com>
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] raised line drawing boards
> To: "Artists Making Art persons" <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 7:21 PM
>
>
>
>
> Full disclosure: I make and sell raised line drawing boards.
>
>
> I had prototypes at National Federation of the Blind 2011 Convention in
> Orlando in the Drop In Art Room. I used the Sewell Raised Line Drawing Kit
> for many years but in the last few years they have become hard to find. One
> of my students, A. D. started making her own, we had hers at NFB Convention
> too. If the boards were rigid and had wooden backs they were hers.
>
>
> I wanted to create a board that was designed to work with the same kind of
> paper that is found in any office, just regular copy paper, not the special
> plastic paper that most raised line drawing kits use. Copy paper runs about
> $6.00 for 500 sheets.  I also wanted it to be really durable since I kept
> breaking the corners of my Sewell. I thought it would be really nice if it
> didn't have clips to catch on things when I packed it in my backpack,
> briefcase or suitcase. I came up with the Black Board. People have been
> experimenting around on the Black Board with lots of different types of
> paper and pens (regular ball point pens) and learning what suits them.
>
>
> Kestrell, you asked about directions for making your own and you can. You
> need to find rubber that will raise the line when you draw on your picture
> with a pen or whatever you want to draw with, maybe a stylus. Just
> experiment around with materials you find at the hardware store or perhaps a
> hobby shop, until you find one that works for you. If you want the plastic
> sheets to draw on you can buy them from American Printing House. On their
> website they have 25 sheets for $6.00. Use a flexible glue and mount the
> rubber on a board. Voila! Draw away!
>
>
> Have fun drawing. I draw on my board almost everyday. A.D. uses it in her
> chemistry classes and the Denver Art Museum just order some that they are
> going to premier at the Yves St. Laurent exhibit early 2012.
>
>
> Would be happy to share ideas about how to use them if anyone is interested.
> Ann
> www.SensationalBlackBoard.com  my brand new site and not completely finished
> yet but...
>
>
> Ann Cunningham
> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the world!
> 303 238 4760
> ann at acunningham.com
> http://www.acunningham.com
> http://www.sensationalbooks.com
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Artists-making-art] raised line drawing boards
> From: "Kestrell" <kestrell at panix.com>
> Date: Fri, December 02, 2011 3:20 pm
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>
> Are there folks using these and, if so, where did they purchase them? I
> think I have only seen them available through American Printing House for
> the Blind and, if I am remembering correctly, they seemed kind of expensive.
> Also, are there any directions for making one's own drawing board?
>
> Kestrell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jewel" <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] puff paint
>
>
>> HEy Kestrell,
>> Thanks for sharing your experience with puff paint. I think I'll stick
>> to the raised line drawing board that I got at the national
>> convention.
>>
>> ~Jewel
>>
>> On 11/30/11, Kendra Schaber <Baltimore777 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Kestrell, you can probably find puff paint recipes by using a search
>>> engine like google.
>>> Kendra Schaber
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kestrell" <kestrell at panix.com>
>>> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
>>> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:07 PM
>>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] puff paint
>>>
>>>
>>>>I had a very disappointing experience when I tried puff paint, as not all
>>>>the paint puffed up. I think you need to get a very regular line, and if
>>>>you can't see to make sure that the paint is coming out regularly and
>>>>with
>>>>enough paint to produce a significant raised line that you can feel, this
>>>>requires a lot of practice. Also, in places where the applicator retraced
>>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>line, the paint didn't puff there, either. Perhaps using a paint brush
>>>>instead of the plastic applicator would work better?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, my suggestion would be to practice on scrap paper before using
>>>> it
>>>> on something you care about. You can also find recipes for puff paint
>>>> online.
>>>>
>>>> Kestrell
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
>>>> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] Introduction from Jewel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jules, I have not done puff paint myself. I have felt it on cards
>>>>> and
>>>>> thought that I'd run the idea past you. I hope that it goes well!
>>>>> Kendra Schaber
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jewel" <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
>>>>> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] Introduction from Jewel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have considered doing puff paint. I have a scrapbook to put together
>>>>>> about our Disney trip and I plan on getting my boyfriend to puff paint
>>>>>> over the charactrs' signatures so that they are feelable. The
>>>>>> scrapbook will be an example of what can be done to make one
>>>>>> accessible...it has Braille beneath the signatures saying which
>>>>>> character it is, and a 3-D sticker of the character...these weren't
>>>>>> cheap! They are actually many little stickers piled on top of each
>>>>>> other to make the character, if you iknow what I'm talking about.
>>>>>> Anyway, I digress....but yes, puff paint is an idea and one I'm
>>>>>> considering trying for part of my art.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/29/11, Kendra Schaber <Baltimore777 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Jules, how about doing puff paint? That is tactile so you can
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> enjoy
>>>>>>> it after your work is done. What do you think?
>>>>>>> Kendra Schaber
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Jewel" <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
>>>>>>> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:33 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] Introduction from Jewel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Kendra and Bridget,
>>>>>>>> Yes, I heard of the blind man who paints. I just don't see the point
>>>>>>>> in doing art that I can't enjoy myself, and that many of the people
>>>>>>>> around me (fellow Federationists and such) can't enjoy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for the man who illuminated the bible, yes I heard of him. Before
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> lost my sight, I did look at the pictures of the art that he did,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> it was amazing. What I did could not compare with that kind of work.
>>>>>>>> What I did was mostly commissioned scrolls for members of the
>>>>>>>> Society
>>>>>>>> for Creative Anachronism, a medieval recreation group. I did
>>>>>>>> everything from Celtic knotwork to miniature scenes (one scene, for
>>>>>>>> example, was a marketplace with the main focus on a pottery
>>>>>>>> shop...it
>>>>>>>> was for a man whose main business was pottery). I also painted coats
>>>>>>>> of arms and did illumionations around calligraphied poetry (I didn't
>>>>>>>> do the calligraphy myself, but had a friend do it, as my calligraphy
>>>>>>>> was horrible). I still have my portfolio of scrolls that I did,
>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>> with works I did outside of medieval illumination, including
>>>>>>>> prismacoloour ppictures of cats, whales, a zebra, and other
>>>>>>>> animals....see a pattern there? I love animals, and enjoyed doing
>>>>>>>> prismacolour art based on them. Now, however, I can't see to do this
>>>>>>>> work, so I'm seeking other ways to work out my creative need (yes,
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> is a need, as many of you likely understand).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jewel,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have you heard the story of the man who handwrote and illustrated
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> illuminated Bible? It took him like ten years. I think I saw the
>>>>>>>>> story
>>>>>>>>> on the Today Show. It was very interesting. Having been sighted,
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> had an opportunity to visually see illuminated manuscripts, and
>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>> absolutely beautiful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You say medieval illuminations was your specific profession, what
>>>>>>>>> exactly did you do with medieval illuminations in a professional
>>>>>>>>> aspect?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>>>>>>>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: artists-making-art-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:artists-making-art-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:47 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] Introduction from Jewel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Heather,
>>>>>>>>> I'm so envious about you doing painting. I don't feel I can do
>>>>>>>>> painting
>>>>>>>>> anymore, because I'm nearly totally blind...besides, what's the fun
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> doing art that you can't enjoy yourself? I used to do professional
>>>>>>>>> painting, though, particuarly medieval illuminations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Heather,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice to meet you. I always wanted to be able to paint as my uncle,
>>>>>>>>>> mom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and brother have the ability, but I can barely draw a stick
>>>>>>>>>> figure,
>>>>>>>>>> smile! My sister is an amazing photographer, but since having a
>>>>>>>>>> baby
>>>>>>>>>> and getting married while a senior in high school, she's quit
>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>> it. I've been trying to encourage her to get back into it, but she
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> some crazy idea that she has to give up on all her dreams.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We're not terribly far away as I'm about 3, or 4, hours away
>>>>>>>>>> (depending on how fast you drive) from one another. I'm in Omaha,
>>>>>>>>>> Nebraska. KC has a huge art community, and so does Omaha, which is
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> widely known for some reason. No farmers and cornfields in Omaha.
>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>> have an annual arts festival each summer in our beautiful downtown
>>>>>>>>>> area along with art exhibits in various locations throughout the
>>>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We also off the Beemis Center, which host artists from around the
>>>>>>>>>> world supporting the arts as well as providing artists an
>>>>>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>>>>> to work on their material. We also have a huge music and theatre
>>>>>>>>>> community catering to many, many tastes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome, and hopefully we can work to build an awesome community
>>>>>>>>>> here!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>> Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: artists-making-art-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:artists-making-art-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>> Heather
>>>>>>>>>> Kirkwood
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:57 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] Introduction from Jewel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Jewel,
>>>>>>>>>> Glad to meet you. I was also excited to hear about this list. I
>>>>>>>>>> haven't been able to make it to a national convention in years I'm
>>>>>>>>>> very sorry to say, so I missed the exhibit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I live in Kansas City and worked as a journalist for more than a
>>>>>>>>>> decade. A few years ago I had to quit working because of various
>>>>>>>>>> medical issues. The up side was it gives me more time to work on
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> artwork. I do mostly acrylic and watercolor painting, although
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> more crafty things here and there. I have some photos of some of
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> artwork on facebook. The photos, however, aren't that great. I
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> have the equipment to do really nice professional shots.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.40809269878.48618.564064878
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.40809269878.48618.564064878
>>>>>>>>>> &t
>>>>>>>>>> ype=1> &type=1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Heather Kirkwood
>>>>>>>>>> Director of Outreach, Vice President
>>>>>>>>>> Hermansky-Pudlak Syndrome Network
>>>>>>>>>> One South Road
>>>>>>>>>> Oyster Bay, NY 11771
>>>>>>>>>> 1 (800) 789-9HPS
>>>>>>>>>> www.hpsnetwork.org <http://www.hpsnetwork.org/>;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Personal blog: www.heatherkirkwood.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.heatherkirkwood.blogspot.com/>;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Search the Web at www.goodsearch.com <http://www.goodsearch.com/>;
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> choose the HPS Network as your charity!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HPS New York Conference - March 16-18, 2012
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 11/28/11, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] Introduction from Jewel
>>>>>>>>>> To: artists-making-art at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, November 28, 2011, 10:04 AM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>>>>>> My name is Jewel. I am 26 years old and live in Raleigh, North
>>>>>>>>>> Carolina. I am very happy to see this list started and will look
>>>>>>>>>> forward to the potential startup of an artists' division.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I heard about the possible division at the national convention,
>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>> I enjoyed the art exhibit and hands-on fun. (I was the one that
>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>> the clay elephant). I very much enjoyed talking to Mrs. Cunningham
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the others, and hope that you will all be on this list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's to a great list,
>>>>>>>>>> Jewel
>>>>>>>>>>
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