[blindkid] Extra Time to Get to Class
Bonnie Lucas
lucas.bonnie at gmail.com
Sun Jan 25 01:57:45 UTC 2009
Hi Jill,
You know, I never thought of asking for two lockers to hold all the stuff
Aubrie has to carry. Good idea!
Bonnie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad/Jill Weatherd" <snowedin at union-tel.com>
To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:35 PM
Subject: [blindkid] Extra Time to Get to Class
> Hi,
> I agree with what most of the others have said about a blind child being
> given extra time to get to class. Getting places on time is something
> that
> is expected of everyone and school is a great place to learn that. I know
> the embarrassment factor of walking in late to class was a great motivator
> for Hannah. She is so shy about things like that, so she did like every
> other kid in school and figured out which classes take more time to get to
> (so she carried that class's materials) and which classes were so close
> that
> she had time for a locker stop. As for special locker placement, Hannah
> has
> been given lockers on the end for ease in locating them. She has two
> lockers side by side to accommodate her many extra materials. The locks
> were removed and she uses locks we bought at the NFB convention. The
> special locker placement wasn't a necessity but it has made things a
> little
> easier for her. We as parents just have to look at each accommodation
> that
> is offered and determine if it will help our child in the long run. We
> have
> refused lots of accommodations in the past that were simply someone else's
> perception of what is possible for a blind child and had nothing to do
> with
> what our kid can do! I'm so glad we have a listserve like this where we
> can
> talk this over! Jill
>
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. OT goals~help needed! (Stacy Lemmon)
> 2. FW: Wrestling to Judo - An Easy Transition (Carrie Gilmer)
> 3. Re: OT goals~help needed! (Barbara Hammel)
> 4. Re: Listserv submission - Logic Problems/Testing (Barbara Hammel)
> 5. Re: OT goals~help needed! (Meng, Debi)
> 6. Re: Intelligence testing (Joy Orton)
> 7. Re: OT goals~help needed! (Susan Harper)
> 8. Leaving classes early (Andy & Sally Thomas)
> 9. Re: Leaving classes early (Mindy Lipsey)
> 10. Re: Leaving classes early (T. J.)
> 11. Re: Leaving classes early (Jessica Trask)
> 12. Re: Leaving classes early (Peter Donahue)
> 13. Re: Leaving classes early (Colleen Davis)
> 14. Re: Leaving classes early (Debby B)
> 15. Re: Leaving classes early (Carrie Gilmer)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:14:11 -0500
> From: "Stacy Lemmon" <slemmonrn at spotlight-music.com>
> Subject: [blindkid] OT goals~help needed!
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <000a01c97d7e$02946240$0401a8c0 at stacypc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Our daughter, 5, had been seen privately in OT for over a year. That
> therapist resigned. So, after a period of time on a waiting list we were
> excited to be seen by a new OT. She has seen her twice and plans on
> discharging her. Along with being visually impaired, Adison has
> hypbermobility and poor endurance of her hands/wrists. She did not qualify
> for OT through the IU (she did not have the 25% delay required for
> services). I have spoken with the new therapist and she has agreed to
> keep
> her for several more sessions. My question is, can anyone help me with
> some
> goals? She needs help with ADL skills...zippering, buttoning. The
> therapist
> says she set the goal for 2/2 buttons in 2 sessions, she states she has
> met
> this....I have never seen her successfully zipper her coat/boots or use
> anything other than large buttons. Another goal of the OT....that she
> wheelbarrow walk for 20 ft. I'm sure that helps build upper body strength,
> but come on!
>
> Thanks!
> Stacy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:21:21 -0600
> From: "Carrie Gilmer" <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindkid] FW: Wrestling to Judo - An Easy Transition
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind
> children\)'" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <497a18b6.1aa87e0a.7db4.2b09 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> FYI, y'all
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Carrie Gilmer, President
>
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
>
> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
>
> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>
> www.nfb.org/nopbc
>
> _____
>
> From: U.S. Association of Blind Athletes [mailto:etap at usaba.org]
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:30 PM
> To: Carrie Gilmer
> Subject: Wrestling to Judo - An Easy Transition
>
>
>
>
>
> usaba banner
> <http://content.delivra.com/etapcontent/UnitedStatesAssociationofB/USABA-Col
> or-Logo-w_Name-ff2.jpg>
>
>
>
> IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> Date: January 23, 2009
> Contact: Amanda Fassett, media at usaba.org, 719-630-0422
>
>
>
> Wrestling to Judo - An Easy Transition
>
>
>
> On January 23, 2009, three members of the United States Association of
> Blind
> Athletes (USABA) National judo program, Scott Moore, Dr. Marc Vink, and
> Ron
> Hawthorne, will provide an instructional presentation, Transitioning from
> Wrestling to Judo For Low Vision & Blind Athletes, to wrestlers and
> coaches
> attending the 2009 North Central Association of Schools for the Blind
> (NCASB) Conference Wrestling Championships. Approximately 100
> participants
> from 11 NCASB conference schools are expected to attend this presentation
> being held at the Kansas State School for the Blind.
>
>
>
> Scott Moore, the first American judo athlete in history to win a
> Paralympic
> gold medal (2000 Paralympic Games in Sydney, Australia), enjoys
> introducing
> blind athletes to the sport of judo and has a wealth of experience working
> with judo athletes of all ages and experience levels. Moore also served
> as
> the assistant coach of the 2008 Paralympic Judo Team that recently
> competed
> in Beijing, China.
>
>
>
> Dr. Marc Vink, USABA National Judo Team Leader, has over 40 years of
> experience cultivating judo athletes. He was instrumental in establishing
> a
> successful judo program at the Overbrook School for the Blind in
> Philadelphia, Pa. Vink served as Team Leader for the 2008 Paralympic
> Games.
>
>
>
> Accompanying Moore and Vink, is Ron Hawthorne, a Kansas State School for
> the
> Blind alumni, and a standout wrestler while at there. Hawthorne competed
> with the USABA National Judo Team during the 2007 IBSA World Championships
> in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Hawthorne, a rising talent, is a hopeful for the
> 2012
> Paralympic Team. He is also currently ranked #11 by U.S. Judo in the 55kg
> Senior Elite Roster.
>
>
>
> USABA is continuously searching for wrestlers who are blind or visually
> impaired to transition into judo. While judo is a Paralympic sport, there
> is no Paralympic competition for wrestling. As an Asian wrestling form,
> judo has much in common with freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling. Many
> throwing techniques such as hip tosses, headlocks, underhook doubles,
> fireman's carry, ankle-picks and arm throw are directly transferable as
> winning judo throws. The training and match preparedness are so similar
> that over half of the United States Paralympic Judo Team members entered
> the
> sport with a wrestling background.
>
>
>
> During the presentation, attendees will have the opportunity learn more
> about the similarities between wrestling and judo while seeing many
> wrestling throwing techniques demonstrated as they apply to judo.
> Following
> the demonstration, the presenters will entertain questions from the
> audience. They will also meet with those interested on an individual
> basis
> on Saturday during the tournament.
>
>
>
> This judo demonstration is sponsored by the USABA with support from the
> Blind Judo Foundation (www.blindjudofoundation.org
> <http://www.blindjudofoundation.org/> ). For more information on the
> event,
> contact Marc Vink at 609-605-3495.
>
>
>
> Since its founding in 1976, USABA, a community-based organization of the
> United States Olympic Committee, has reached more than 100,000 blind and
> visually impaired individuals. The organization has emerged as more than
> just a world-class trainer of blind athletes, it has become a champion of
> the abilities of Americans who are legally blind. USABA's Mission: to
> enhance the lives of blind and visually impaired people by providing the
> opportunity for participation in sports and physical activity. For more
> information, visit our Web site: www.usaba.org <http://www.usaba.org/>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:27:21 -0600
> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] OT goals~help needed!
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY113-DS79389CF0F711D95A11ECAEBCF0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Can she dress herself? Can she do things like put puzzles together or do
> pop beads? Can she take off and put on screwed-on lids? Can she snap
> snaps? Can she buckle a belt? I can't think of any more right now.
> Barbara
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stacy Lemmon" <slemmonrn at spotlight-music.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:14 AM
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindkid] OT goals~help needed!
>
>> Our daughter, 5, had been seen privately in OT for over a year. That
>> therapist resigned. So, after a period of time on a waiting list we were
>> excited to be seen by a new OT. She has seen her twice and plans on
>> discharging her. Along with being visually impaired, Adison has
>> hypbermobility and poor endurance of her hands/wrists. She did not
>> qualify
>
>> for OT through the IU (she did not have the 25% delay required for
>> services). I have spoken with the new therapist and she has agreed to
>> keep her for several more sessions. My question is, can anyone help me
>> with some goals? She needs help with ADL skills...zippering, buttoning.
>> The therapist says she set the goal for 2/2 buttons in 2 sessions, she
>> states she has met this....I have never seen her successfully zipper her
>> coat/boots or use anything other than large buttons. Another goal of the
>> OT....that she wheelbarrow walk for 20 ft. I'm sure that helps build
>> upper
>
>> body strength, but come on!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Stacy
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:30:13 -0600
> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Listserv submission - Logic Problems/Testing
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY113-DS6096CFDBC36ADF05851D5EBCF0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Our state lending library is where I signed up for Conundrum.
>
> Barbara
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lorelei Clark" <loreleisonya at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:41 PM
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindkid] Listserv submission - Logic Problems/Testing
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> Does anyone know how to go about subscribing to the braille version of
>> "Conundrum" or any other word/logic problem magazines?
>>
>> In addition, I am seeking information about adapted testing for
>> intelligence testing for a 9 year old. I know that some can be adapted
>> however while the question may be in Braille, the question is still
>> heavily reliant on one's visual perception.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Lorelei Clark
>> loreleisonya at yahoo.com
>> 714-220-8157
>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:19:50 -0600
> From: "Meng, Debi" <Meng at sccompanies.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] OT goals~help needed!
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> A lot of schools use the Oregon Project for Visually Impaired and Blind
> Preschool Children. See attached. Look for the section "Fine Motor
> Skills" http://www.campabilities.org/oregon.htm
>
> This should help with your goals!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:27 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] OT goals~help needed!
>
> Can she dress herself? Can she do things like put puzzles together or
> do
> pop beads? Can she take off and put on screwed-on lids? Can she snap
> snaps? Can she buckle a belt? I can't think of any more right now.
> Barbara
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stacy Lemmon" <slemmonrn at spotlight-music.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:14 AM
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindkid] OT goals~help needed!
>
>> Our daughter, 5, had been seen privately in OT for over a year. That
>> therapist resigned. So, after a period of time on a waiting list we
> were
>> excited to be seen by a new OT. She has seen her twice and plans on
>> discharging her. Along with being visually impaired, Adison has
>> hypbermobility and poor endurance of her hands/wrists. She did not
> qualify
>> for OT through the IU (she did not have the 25% delay required for
>> services). I have spoken with the new therapist and she has agreed to
>
>> keep her for several more sessions. My question is, can anyone help me
>
>> with some goals? She needs help with ADL skills...zippering,
> buttoning.
>> The therapist says she set the goal for 2/2 buttons in 2 sessions, she
>
>> states she has met this....I have never seen her successfully zipper
> her
>> coat/boots or use anything other than large buttons. Another goal of
> the
>> OT....that she wheelbarrow walk for 20 ft. I'm sure that helps build
> upper
>> body strength, but come on!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Stacy
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:22:14 -0600
> From: Joy Orton <ortonsmom at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Intelligence testing
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID:
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> Dear Lorelei,
> We looked into intelligence testing for our daughter a couple of years
> ago.
> The short answer is, there is no "good" test. It is important to look at
> the
> student as a whole. We used some parts of tests, plus teacher and parent
> observations and questionnaires. The Frances A Karnes center at the
> University of Southern Mississippi has a good document you may want to
> look
> at. Here are two links.
>
> http://www.usm.edu/gifted/gifted_research.html
> http://www.usm.edu/gifted/gifted_research/Characteristics%20of%20Gifted%20vi
> sually%20impaired.pdf
>
> Hope this helps.
> Joy
>
>>
>> ?
>> In addition, I am seeking information about adapted testing for
>> intelligence testing for a 9 year old. I know that some can be adapted
>> however while the question may be in Braille, the question is still
> heavily
>> reliant on one's visual perception.
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:38:12 -0500
> From: Susan Harper <sueharper at firstchurchgriswold.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] OT goals~help needed!
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID:
> <f6a56b5c0901240538h280c3b69n40e948a3d3873559 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi Stacy,
> Does the OT have a supervisor or someone above her you can appeal to.
> Another option might be to request a second opinion and a new assessment.
> Ask if you can be present and ask for a copy of the assessment tool.
> Obviously something is not right here. Also if this is a hospital
> setting,
> you can request to speak to a patient advocate. Most facilities have a
> patient advocate.
> Hope this helps!
> Blessings,
> Sue H.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Stacy Lemmon <
> slemmonrn at spotlight-music.com> wrote:
>
>> Our daughter, 5, had been seen privately in OT for over a year. That
>> therapist resigned. So, after a period of time on a waiting list we were
>> excited to be seen by a new OT. She has seen her twice and plans on
>> discharging her. Along with being visually impaired, Adison has
>> hypbermobility and poor endurance of her hands/wrists. She did not
>> qualify
>> for OT through the IU (she did not have the 25% delay required for
>> services). I have spoken with the new therapist and she has agreed to
> keep
>> her for several more sessions. My question is, can anyone help me with
> some
>> goals? She needs help with ADL skills...zippering, buttoning. The
> therapist
>> says she set the goal for 2/2 buttons in 2 sessions, she states she has
> met
>> this....I have never seen her successfully zipper her coat/boots or use
>> anything other than large buttons. Another goal of the OT....that she
>> wheelbarrow walk for 20 ft. I'm sure that helps build upper body
>> strength,
>> but come on!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Stacy
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindkid mailing list
>> blindkid at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> blindkid:
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> hurchgriswold.org
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 07:38:23 -0600
> From: "Andy & Sally Thomas" <andysally at comcast.net>
> Subject: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <ADD0AC3696224DCAB166B61A50F197E1 at andysallyhome>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> My son's O&M instructor has told him that next year in junior high he will
> be dismissed from classes 5 minutes early in order to get a head start
> into
> the halls to make it to his next class. I'm wondering if most of the blind
> kids out there get this "accommodation." I personally think it is an
> opportunity to miss some afterthought the teacher has and to be singled
> out
> and isolated in the classroom. Walking to classes with friends is one of
> the
> few times kids have for private conversations. Would you share your
> experiences with this?
>
> Sally Thomas
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:03:31 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mindy Lipsey <mindy_lipsey at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <50536.99336.qm at web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> My son started middle school this year.? Most of the 6th grade classes are
> in one specific area of the building and his classes are within a few
> doors
> from each other.
> The only exception is the last period of the day, which is on the lower
> lever.? He leaves for that class 5 minutes early.? At the end of the last
> class of the day, he also leaves 5 minutes early to re-charge his ccTV in
> a
> private office and to pack up to catch the bus, since his bus is one of
> the
> first to leave the school.
> So he has the flexibility to leave early, but only when he really needs
> to.
> I had the same concerns about missing a homework assignment, or something
> important that the teacher says at the end of class.
> We asked in the summer for a "buddy" to be assigned to Matthew, someone
> that
> already knows about his low vision, and someone that would be in most of
> his
> classes anyway.? Luckily, he has a friend that is also in all GT classes,
> along with his science magnet (Matthew goes to a magnet school), so it
> worked out.? Rebecca lets him know if he misses anything if he ever does
> leave early from class.
> She also sits next to him in all classes in the front row.
> We asked for the buddy system before schedules were made.
> Don't forget to ask for a locker on the end of a row, near his homebase
> classroom.
> We took the combination lock off and set it up for him to use a lock and
> key.? He wears the key around his neck.? The same key fits his gym locker
> so
> he only carries one key, and he leaves an extra key at school, along with
> a
> back-up key at home.
> The O&M instructor walked him through his schedule the week before school
> started.
> Everyone went very smoothly and I worried for no reason!
> Hope this helps.
> Mindy
>
>
> ?
> Mindy Lipsey
>
> ?
>
> --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Andy & Sally Thomas <andysally at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Andy & Sally Thomas <andysally at comcast.net>
> Subject: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:38 AM
>
> My son's O&M instructor has told him that next year in junior high he
> will be dismissed from classes 5 minutes early in order to get a head
> start
> into
> the halls to make it to his next class. I'm wondering if most of the blind
> kids out there get this "accommodation." I personally think it is an
> opportunity to miss some afterthought the teacher has and to be singled
> out
> and
> isolated in the classroom. Walking to classes with friends is one of the
> few
> times kids have for private conversations. Would you share your
> experiences
> with this?
>
> Sally Thomas
> _______________________________________________
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> oo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:46:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: "T. J." <tjmaries at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <703016.99881.qm at web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I got a note written in my IEP to leave class early (vision issues and
> such)
> in high school (the time I needed it).? I had 15 minutes passing time.?
> Was
> nice not to have to worry about being nocked over or anything!?
>
> T. J.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mindy Lipsey <mindy_lipsey at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
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> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:03:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
>
> My son started middle school this year.? Most of the 6th grade classes are
> in one specific area of the building and his classes are within a few
> doors
> from each other.
> The only exception is the last period of the day, which is on the lower
> lever.? He leaves for that class 5 minutes early.? At the end of the last
> class of the day, he also leaves 5 minutes early to re-charge his ccTV in
> a
> private office and to pack up to catch the bus, since his bus is one of
> the
> first to leave the school.
> So he has the flexibility to leave early, but only when he really needs
> to.
> I had the same concerns about missing a homework assignment, or something
> important that the teacher says at the end of class.
> We asked in the summer for a "buddy" to be assigned to Matthew, someone
> that
> already knows about his low vision, and someone that would be in most of
> his
> classes anyway.? Luckily, he has a friend that is also in all GT classes,
> along with his science magnet (Matthew goes to a magnet school), so it
> worked out.? Rebecca lets him know if he misses anything if he ever does
> leave early from class.
> She also sits next to him in all classes in the front row.
> We asked for the buddy system before schedules were made.
> Don't forget to ask for a locker on the end of a row, near his homebase
> classroom.
> We took the combination lock off and set it up for him to use a lock and
> key.? He wears the key around his neck.? The same key fits his gym locker
> so
> he only carries one key, and he leaves an extra key at school, along with
> a
> back-up key at home.
> The O&M instructor walked him through his schedule the week before school
> started.
> Everyone went very smoothly and I worried for no reason!
> Hope this helps.
> Mindy
>
>
> ?
> Mindy Lipsey
>
> ?
>
> --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Andy & Sally Thomas <andysally at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Andy & Sally Thomas <andysally at comcast.net>
> Subject: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:38 AM
>
> My son's O&M instructor has told him that next year in junior high he
> will be dismissed from classes 5 minutes early in order to get a head
> start
> into
> the halls to make it to his next class. I'm wondering if most of the blind
> kids out there get this "accommodation."? I personally think it is an
> opportunity to miss some afterthought the teacher has and to be singled
> out
> and
> isolated in the classroom. Walking to classes with friends is one of the
> few
> times kids have for private conversations.? Would you share your
> experiences
> with this?
>
> Sally Thomas
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:08:56 -0500
> From: Jessica Trask <jess28 at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
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> Sally,
> I'm not totally blind. But, I never remember being allowed to be
> released from classes five minutes earlier then the my other
> classmates. The only time I did get out of class early was I was living
> in Salt Lake and there were buses for the special education students
> that had to be a the high school early so they could do their runs and
> get to the next school where they needed to be on time. This is not
> teaching your son to be responsible for his own actions by allowing him
> to get out of class before the other students. Do you happen to know
> how much time the students have between classes to go to their lockers
> and chat with each other. I would push having him treated like a normal
> student in the the respect that he has to use the same frame time that
> the other students have to use to get to their classes be they on time
> or not. I hope this helps.
>
> --
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:32:51 -0600
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
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> Hello Sally and listers,
>
> A big no-no! I thought the O&M instructor's job was to help him become
> a
>
> confident traveler to enable him to be where he needs to be and to mingle
> with his friends. And what does dismissing him five minutes before the
> other
>
> students are let out of class say to his peers? Because he's blind he
> needs
> extra time to get from place-to-place and can't be expected to travel as
> well as they. Definitely kill that from his IEP.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
> --- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy & Sally Thomas" <andysally at comcast.net>
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:38 AM
> Subject: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
>
>
> My son's O&M instructor has told him that next year in junior high he will
> be dismissed from classes 5 minutes early in order to get a head start
> into
> the halls to make it to his next class. I'm wondering if most of the blind
> kids out there get this "accommodation." I personally think it is an
> opportunity to miss some afterthought the teacher has and to be singled
> out
> and isolated in the classroom. Walking to classes with friends is one of
> the
>
> few times kids have for private conversations. Would you share your
> experiences with this?
>
> Sally Thomas
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 07:49:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: Colleen Davis <bldhnds52 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
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> My suggestion is that you have an opportunity to observe the class changes
> to see what they look like. I teach at all levels and the halls can get
> pretty wild. It depends on the school's discipline "climate".
>
> As an earlier post noted, passing time in the class is very social and a
> way
> the kids catch up with each other. It should also be noted that your son's
> schoolmates won't learn how to behave around him if they never have the
> opportunity.
>
> Colleen
>
> Andy & Sally Thomas <andysally at comcast.net> wrote: My son's O&M instructor
> has told him that next year in junior high he will be dismissed from
> classes
> 5 minutes early in order to get a head start into the halls to make it to
> his next class. I'm wondering if most of the blind kids out there get this
> "accommodation." I personally think it is an opportunity to miss some
> afterthought the teacher has and to be singled out and isolated in the
> classroom. Walking to classes with friends is one of the few times kids
> have
> for private conversations. Would you share your experiences with this?
>
> Sally Thomas
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 07:54:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Debby B <bwbddl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
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> Sally, we battle this every year. Our middle school is huge, and classes
> are
> basically in one hallway, other than lunch and "specials" such as band.
> The
> week before school we practice the routes. They insist, even though it's
> not
> in IEP, that Winona leave early so as not to be late, "since she's such a
> slow mover." My theory is that if they'd EXPECT her to get there on time,
> she'd speed up! She always misses some assignment. When tthe teachers
> complain to me, I've put it back on them. "You need to tell the O&M that
> Winona is missing work." and I've put it on Winona. "You need to tell him
> that you received a zero because you missed another assignment leaving
> early." This year has been better, and we got them to back off within the
> first weeks of school. It took teacher complaints, me in the office
> weekly,
> and Winona's complaints to get to this point.
>
> It definitely hurts that peer interaction having an adult hanging around.
> We've seen a huge difference in middle from elementary. Winona hardly
> knows
> a soul now, because no time is ever spent learning who is in each class,
> in
> the lunchroom, etc. (They have 3 different lunch periods). Socially,
> middle
> has been very tough on Winona.
>
> Debby
> bwbddl at yahoo.com
> www.nfbflorida.org/parents
>
>
> Please support Braille literacy and programs for our youth by sponsoring
> me
> in
> the Motor City March for Independence! Better yet, join the team of the FL
> Parents of Blind Children!
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Andy & Sally Thomas <andysally at comcast.net>
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:38:23 AM
> Subject: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
>
> My son's O&M instructor has told him that next year in junior high he will
> be dismissed from classes 5 minutes early in order to get a head start
> into
> the halls to make it to his next class. I'm wondering if most of the blind
> kids out there get this "accommodation." I personally think it is an
> opportunity to miss some afterthought the teacher has and to be singled
> out
> and isolated in the classroom. Walking to classes with friends is one of
> the
> few times kids have for private conversations. Would you share your
> experiences with this?
>
> Sally Thomas
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>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:44:28 -0600
> From: "Carrie Gilmer" <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind
> children\)'" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
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> Dear Sally,
> Within the typical middle school among sighted students there is a
> spectrum
> of organizational abilities among the students. There is also somewhat of
> a
> spectrum of challenge for them that they do not get to choose. Some kids
> get
> stuck with a locker far away, some may get lucky with a locker placement.
> Some have a schedule with the last or first class far from the locker and
> some get lucky and most are in the middle. Some are in band, or forgot
> they
> need to grab their gym clothes, or have something they need to carry or
> manage. They all have to work with what they get, and learn to make
> changes
> if they are late, miss the bus, or miss an assignment. This is preparing
> them for life.
>
> Our children need the same opportunity and responsibilities.
>
> We were also offered special locker placement and also extra passing time
> for Jordan. We never took a special locker placement. That said, he did
> have
> (and has every year to this year-his senior year-a permanent hall pass).
>>From the beginning we placed on him and the staff the expectation that he
> would have to manage as everyone else. He could be marked tardy, and if he
> missed the bus due to poor time management he had a consequence from home.
> (I will state also that Jordan is one of those kids who if you give him an
> inch-he never tries to take a mile-unlike my other son. This tendency, or
> lack of it, in a student's personality is a factor that must be
> considered.)The staff, especially administrative or general special ed.
> staff, always gave surprise at our "no thanks" to accommodations such as
> extra passing time, or resistance, and wanted very much to give Jordan
> every
> "break".
>
> Early on because of the technology he had did need to go to a resource
> room
> to print assignments. He also had quite a bit of equipment, and a band
> instrument. But he had the onus on him (and we helped in the beginning of
> course-but we made it HIS problem, not ours or the school's) to figure out
> how to get things done in an efficient manner, that did not disrupt class,
> cause him to be late or leave early or lose too much class work time. He
> did
> have a something more than the sighted kids-BUT HE WILL ALWAYS HAVE
> THAT-and
> we knew for the future and employment he would just have to deal with that
> something. He began to organize and find best times, and consolidate his
> printing and to print at home and mark the print with Braille notation and
> organize it to turn in. Today because of jump drives and e-assignment
> capability he prints much less, but he still must print some. It is a
> constant learning of problem solving to get things to the teacher in a
> format the teacher can read and on-time.
>
> Sometimes equipment broke, or something was lost, or he was overwhelmed in
> the learning process. He had the pass to go to the resource room as needed
> during class time. I will say from sixth grade to now his senior year he
> has
> rarely used it, I mean maybe less than a dozen times. We did have ONE
> teacher very early on who did tell us Jordan was coming to class a few
> minutes late-he was printing--she did not like the disruption and was
> worried he was missing stuff-we did not realize the plan he had come up
> with
> for that class, we sat down and figured something different and he was
> never
> late again. So in the end he really did not even need the permanent pass.
> And I guess that is the test-what did he truly truly NEED? And then if
> that
> need showed he needed "extra time" was it temporary while building
> organization-how did we move him to not need it. In other words that
> should
> be the goal--needing LESS time everyday--not piling on supports in needing
> so many extra accommodations. I recall at an IEP meeting one director of
> Special ed. being totally baffled and repeated to us several times--"You
> mean you want LESS? You want this accommodation TAKEN OUT? Is that fair?
> Can
> blind people really get there as fast? I've never had someone request
> LESS."
> This is actually what this woman said.
>
> In his sophomore year we began to hear these statements from teachers at
> regular teacher conferences. "Jordan is the first one to class" "Jordan
> just
> flies through the halls, I don't know how he does it" Jordan has never had
> one tardy. He has missed the bus less than I can count on my one hand. In
> real life if he misses a city bus to work or class, it will not be mom he
> can call to come and get him right away for free.
>
> Also we never ever had a designated buddy for Jordan. Getting peer help
> was
> Jordan's responsibility--to find a good student himself to ask for
> anything
> to be read or what ever might be needed. This takes a good deal of
> confidence, analyzing who is a good peer, and some social skill--they need
> opportunity to develop that. It will not come if we do it for them. It was
> also always his responsibility to get notes either from the teacher or
> peers
> on anything he ever might have missed. This is the same for sighted peers.
> They too sometimes have need and have missed something. They have to
> figure
> out who of their classmates is responsible or smart. My sighted kids
> sometimes forgot to bring a book home or lost the assignment sheet, or did
> not listen or missed some direction. They knew they had to call a
> classmate,
> find out who was reliable, etc. This is real life too. When they get to
> college, or anywhere they have to be able to find their own sighted
> assistance--and to be in charge of it. There will not be designated
> buddies
> out in life.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Carrie Gilmer, President
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
> www.nfb.org/nopbc
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Andy & Sally Thomas
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:38 AM
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindkid] Leaving classes early
>
> My son's O&M instructor has told him that next year in junior high he will
> be dismissed from classes 5 minutes early in order to get a head start
> into
> the halls to make it to his next class. I'm wondering if most of the blind
> kids out there get this "accommodation." I personally think it is an
> opportunity to miss some afterthought the teacher has and to be singled
> out
> and isolated in the classroom. Walking to classes with friends is one of
> the
> few times kids have for private conversations. Would you share your
> experiences with this?
>
> Sally Thomas
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