[blindkid] Looking forward

Albert J Rizzi albert at myblindspot.org
Sun Mar 7 23:18:42 UTC 2010 

It is refreshing to here about things that work rather then instances where
it does not. 

Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Deborah Kent Stein
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:37 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Looking forward



Believe it or not, Chicago has spent the money and created curb cuts at the 
crosswalks of most intersections, and added a bumpy strip where you enter 
the street specifically for blind pedestrians.  I find it very effective. 
Can I legitimately call this "the city that works"?

Debbie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)" 
<blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Looking forward


> Albert:
>
> With respect, you are a Polyanna! I can't see any improvement in curb cut 
> technology. In fact, more and more jurisdictions are trying to solve the 
> problems with curb cuts by blending the sidewalks into the streets with 
> barely-noticeable boundaries all the way across. While blind persons can 
> learn to handle this in most instances, it is most definitely not optimal.
>
> In fact, there's no way civil jurisdictions will implement curb cuts 
> properly because they'd have to spend more money: the only real way tto 
> have good curb cuts is to have a squared-off corner with curbs aligned 
> with the streets and *two* curb cuts -- one for each of the right-angle 
> crosswalks --  that take you straight down the crosswalk across the 
> street. But no one will do this because they might -- gasp -- have to 
> expend more money!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)'" 
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Looking forward
>
>
>> Well that is perhaps because little consideration was  actually given to 
>> the
>> thought of universal design at the onset of introducing curb cuts 
>> initially.
>> Once consideration was given and voices heard, the reality of a cost
>> effective curb cut, which I could only guess was the reason for sending
>> individuals out into the center of an intersection, gave way to curb cuts
>> which followed the flow of traffic. Trial and error, now they are 
>> correcting
>> that error and if it is not corrected  we should bring it to the 
>> attention
>> of our towns who are being flooded with stimulus dollars to correct 
>> pathways
>> and roadways. The blind have not gotten a fair shake in this one at all. 
>> But
>> the times they are a changing.
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
>> www.myblindspot.org
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>> is
>> doing it."
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Carol Castellano
>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:44 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Looking forward
>>
>> Just look at curb cuts, for example.  They are often cited as
>> examples of how universal design will help EVERYONE, but they have
>> certainly made lining up for a crossing more difficult for blind kids!
>> Carol
>>
>> At 10:14 PM 3/4/2010, you wrote:
>>>I agree. And Steve is right; there was far more than a great deal of
>>>hidden marketing in Calvo's diatribe. And this is what bugs me about
>>>his doings; he tends to try to push his products while appearing to
>>>be a knight in shining armor. I'd much rather have a straightforward
>>>sales pitch.
>>>
>>>Although I applaud Apple's efforts toward accessibility, I think we,
>>>the blind, should think long and hard before we espouse so-called
>>>"universal design" willy-nilly. Why? Because it is almost inevitable
>>>that products designed for a range of disabilities will not serve
>>>any one of them optimally. So we'll end up in a world of
>>>accessibility mediocrity.
>>>
>>>AS I say, Steve's post has much to recommend it.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Kent Stein"
>>><dkent5817 at worldnet.att.net>
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)"
>>><blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:33 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [blindkid] Looking forward
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>As a dedicated Braille reader I am wary of the idea of eliminating
>>>>companies that design technology exclusively for the blindness
>>>>market.  I highly doubt that mainstream companies will ever come
>>>>forth with devices that include Braille displays.  Refreshable
>>>>Braille has expanded Braille access beyond my wildest dreams, and I
>>>>worry that a shift to purely mainstream products could turn out to
>>>>be a giant step into speech access only.
>>>>
>>>>Debbie
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson"
>> <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)"
>>>><blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:45 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [blindkid] Looking forward
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sally,
>>>>>
>>>>>I have hesitated to say anything because I feel that Serotek has
>>>>>very nice products but somewhat questionable marketing
>>>>>techniques.  The fact is that to talk you
>>>>>away from JFW, HAL, or Window-Eyes right now is really talking you
>>>>>into his products in my opinion.  He over-simplifies the situation
>>>>>with braille displays, too.  He is
>>>>>using our frustrations and civil rights to direct frustration
>>>>>against his biggest compettitors without letting you know that he
>>>>>is doing that. This is also coming out just
>>>>>before the large CSUN conference which I feel makes the timing
>>>>>interesting.  Let me be clear, he makes some good points, and his
>>>>>products tend to be good
>>>>>values, but this hit me wrong, too.  There are some reasons that
>>>>>many of us have felt that we have been better served to have some
>>>>>competition in the screen
>>>>>reader arena even though it cost us more, rather  than to push
>>>>>Microsoft to create a screen reader, and I'd be glad to explain
>>>>>that sometime if you are interested.
>>>>>The picture is complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>>We should push to raise awareness of accessibility within
>>>>>mainstream software, and we need to watch how it works to do what
>>>>>Apple is doing. The writer is correct
>>>>>that things will be changing over time, but I think there was a
>>>>>good deal of hidden marketing here.
>>>>>
>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve Jacobson
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:31:24 -0600, Sally Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you think he's self serving?  It seems to me that supporting
>> technology
>>>>>>that is accessible right out of the box is a good thing.  I bought my
>> son a
>>>>>>Victor Reader and it languishes beside his iPod Touch which is used
>> every
>>>>>>day.  The Touch is smaller and more useful to him but both
>>>>>>technologies cost
>>>>>>me about the same.  I also thought that the NFB Technology Bill of
>> Rights
>>>>>>was along these lines--equipment accessible right out of the box.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would believe that his motives aren't pure since he is a
>>>>>>businessman but I
>>>>>>am a bit tired of buying very expensive equipment only to find out a
>> couple
>>>>>>of months later that it is obsolete.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sally Thomas
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)"
>>>>>><blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:01 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blindkid] Looking forward
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pure demagoguery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Thomas" 
>>>>>>><seacknit at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)"
>>>>>>><blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:16 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: [blindkid] Looking forward
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I received the following email from the TABS list.  I hope this 
>>>>>>>>isn't
>>>>>>>>redundant for you.  I'm really excited by Serotek's plan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Subject: [leadership] Serotek declares war on the traditional 
>>>>>>>>adaptive
>>>>>>>>technology industry and their blind ghetto products
>>>>>>>>This is no warm fuzzy of a read, but something well worth the read 
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>in my opinion long over due. Kudos to SeroTekCited from
>>>>>>>>http://blog.serotek.com/
>>>>>>>>The Serotek Ultimatum
>>>>>>>>Serotek declares war on the traditional adaptive technology industry
>>>>>>>>and their blind ghetto products. With this announcement we are
>>>>>>>>sending out a
>>>>>>>>call to arms to every blind person and every advocate for the blind 
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>rise
>>>>>>>>up and throw off the tyranny that has shaped our lives for the past
>> two
>>>>>>>>decades. It is a tyranny of good intentions - or at least what began
>> as
>>>>>>>>good
>>>>>>>>intentions. But as the proverb says, "the road to hell is paved with
>> good
>>>>>>>>intentions." And for the past two decades the technologies 
>>>>>>>>originally
>>>>>>>>conceived to give us freedom have been our shackles. They have kept 
>>>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>>tied
>>>>>>>>down to underperforming, obscenely expensive approaches that only a
>> small
>>>>>>>>percentage of blind people can afford or master. They have shackled 
>>>>>>>>us
>> to
>>>>>>>>government largess and the charity of strangers to pay for what few
>> among
>>>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>>could afford on our own. And we have been sheep, lead down the path,
>>>>>>>>bleating from time to time, but without the vision or the resources 
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>stand
>>>>>>>>up and demand our due.
>>>>>>>>That time is past.
>>>>>>>>We stand today on the very edge of universal accessibility. 
>>>>>>>>Mainstream
>>>>>>>>products like the iPod, iPhone, and newly announced iPad are fully
>>>>>>>>accessible out of the box. And they bring with them a wealth of 
>>>>>>>>highly
>>>>>>>>desirable accessibility applications. The cost to blind people is
>> exactly
>>>>>>>>the same as the cost to sighted people. It's the same equipment, the
>> same
>>>>>>>>software, the same functionality, and fully accessible.
>>>>>>>>What Apple has done, others are doing as well. The adaptive 
>>>>>>>>technology
>>>>>>>>vendor who creates hardware and software that is intended only for
>> blind
>>>>>>>>folks, and then only if they are subsidized by the government, is a
>>>>>>>>dinosaur. The asteroid has hit the earth, the dust cloud is
>> ubiquitous,
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>dinosaur's days are numbered.
>>>>>>>>But dinosaurs are huge, and their extinction does not happen
>> overnight..
>>>>>>>>Even as they die, they spawn others like them (take the Intel Reader
>> for
>>>>>>>>example). Thank you, no. Any blind person can have full 
>>>>>>>>accessibility
>> to
>>>>>>>>any
>>>>>>>>type of information without the high-cost, blind-ghetto gear. They 
>>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>get
>>>>>>>>it in the same products their sighted friends are buying. But let's
>> face
>>>>>>>>it;
>>>>>>>>if we keep buying that crap and keep besieging our visual resource
>> center
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>buy that crap for us, the dinosaurs of the industry are going to 
>>>>>>>>keep
>>>>>>>>making
>>>>>>>>it. Their profit margins are very good indeed. And many have 
>>>>>>>>invested
>>>>>>>>exactly none of that profit in creating the next generation of 
>>>>>>>>access
>>>>>>>>technology, choosing instead to perpetuate the status quo. For
>> instance,
>>>>>>>>refreshable braille technology, arguably the most expensive
>>>>>>>>blindness-specific(and to many very necessary) product has not 
>>>>>>>>changed
>>>>>>>>significantly in 30 years. Yet, the cost remains out of reach for 
>>>>>>>>most
>>>>>>>>blind
>>>>>>>>people. Where's the innovation there? Why have companies not 
>>>>>>>>invested
>> in
>>>>>>>>cheaper, faster, smaller, and more efficient ways to make 
>>>>>>>>refreshable
>>>>>>>>braille? Surely the piezoelectric braille cell is not the only way?
>> And
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>about PC-based OCR software? It's still around a thousand dollars 
>>>>>>>>per
>>>>>>>>license, yet core functionality hasn't changed much; sure, we get 
>>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>sorts
>>>>>>>>of features not at all related to reading, along with incremental
>>>>>>>>accuracy
>>>>>>>>improvements, but why are these prices not dropping either, 
>>>>>>>>especially
>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>you consider that comparable off-the-shelf solutions like Abby
>> Finereader
>>>>>>>>can be had for as low as $79? ? And let's not forget the screen 
>>>>>>>>reader
>>>>>>>>itself, the core technology that all of us need to access our
>> computers
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>the first place. Do we see improvements, or just an attempt to mimic
>>>>>>>>innovation with the addition of features which have nothing to do 
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>actual reading of the screen, while maintaining the same ridiculous
>> price
>>>>>>>>point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This maintaining of the status quo will, inevitably, face an 
>>>>>>>>enormous
>>>>>>>>crash,
>>>>>>>>worse than the transition from DOS to Windows based accessibility. 
>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>expect a technology crash that will put users of the most expensive
>>>>>>>>accessibility gear out of business.
>>>>>>>>Why? I won't bore you with all the technical details, but the basic
>> story
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>that some of these products have been kept current with patches and
>> fixes
>>>>>>>>and partial rewrites and other tricks we IT types use when we 
>>>>>>>>haven't
>> got
>>>>>>>>the budget to do it right, but we need to make the product work with
>> the
>>>>>>>>latest operating system. That process of patching and fixing creates
>> an
>>>>>>>>enormous legacy barrier that makes it impossible to rewrite without
>>>>>>>>abandoning all who came before. But you can only keep a kluge 
>>>>>>>>working
>> for
>>>>>>>>so
>>>>>>>>long before it will crumble under its own weight. That, my friends, 
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>exactly where some of the leading adaptive technology vendors find
>>>>>>>>themselves today.
>>>>>>>>There are exceptions. Serotek is an exception because we have
>> completely
>>>>>>>>recreated our product base every three years. GW Micro is an 
>>>>>>>>exception
>>>>>>>>because they built their product in a highly modular fashion and can
>>>>>>>>update
>>>>>>>>modules without destroying the whole. KNFB is an exception because
>> they
>>>>>>>>take
>>>>>>>>advantage of off-the-shelf technologies, which translate ultimately
>> into
>>>>>>>>price drops and increased functionality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But even we who have done it right are on a path to obsolescence. 
>>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>>fundamental need for accessibility software is rapidly beginning to
>>>>>>>>vanish.
>>>>>>>>The universal accessibility principles we see Apple, Microsoft,
>> Olympus,
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>others putting in place are going to eliminate the need for these
>>>>>>>>specialty
>>>>>>>>products in a matter of just a very few years.
>>>>>>>>Stop and think. Why do you need accessibility tools? To read text?
>> E-book
>>>>>>>>devices are eliminating that need. None of them are perfect yet, but
>> we
>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>really only in the first generation. By Gen2 they will all be fully
>>>>>>>>accessible. To find your way? GPS on your iPhone or your Android 
>>>>>>>>based
>>>>>>>>phone
>>>>>>>>will do that for you. To take notes? Easy on any laptop, netbook, or
>>>>>>>>iPad.
>>>>>>>>Heck, you can record it live and play it back at your convenience.
>> Just
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>isn't accessible? You can play your music, catch a described video,
>> scan
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>spreadsheet, take in a PowerPoint presentation - all using
>> conventional,
>>>>>>>>off-the-shelf systems and/or software that is free of charge.
>>>>>>>>There are still some legacy situations where you need to create an
>>>>>>>>accessibility path. Some corporations still have internal 
>>>>>>>>applications
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>do not lend themselves to modern devices. There will certainly be
>>>>>>>>situations
>>>>>>>>where a specialized product will better solve an accessibility 
>>>>>>>>problem
>>>>>>>>than
>>>>>>>>a mainstream one, especially in the short term. We don't advocate
>>>>>>>>throwing
>>>>>>>>the baby out with the bathwater, but we do advocate that we begin to
>>>>>>>>hasten
>>>>>>>>the inevitable change by using accessible mainstream solutions
>> wherever
>>>>>>>>possible. Even now, the leading edge companies are reinventing their
>>>>>>>>internal systems with accessibility as a design criteria, so the
>>>>>>>>situations
>>>>>>>>that require specialized products will certainly become fewer as 
>>>>>>>>time
>>>>>>>>goes
>>>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>If our current Assistive technology guard's reign is coming to an 
>>>>>>>>end,
>>>>>>>>why
>>>>>>>>the war? Why not just let it die its own, natural, inevitable death?
>>>>>>>>Because
>>>>>>>>nothing dies more slowly than an obsolete technology. Punch cards 
>>>>>>>>hung
>> on
>>>>>>>>for twenty or thirty years after they were completely obsolete. The
>> same
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>true for magnetic tape. Old stuff represents a comparatively large
>>>>>>>>investment, and people hate to throw away something they paid a lot 
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>money
>>>>>>>>for even if it's currently worthless. But that legacy stuff obscures
>> the
>>>>>>>>capabilities of the present. It gets used in situations where other
>>>>>>>>solutions are cheaper and more practical. The legacy stuff clogs the
>>>>>>>>vocational rehab channel, eating up the lion's share of the 
>>>>>>>>resources
>> but
>>>>>>>>serving a tiny portion of the need. It gets grandfathered into
>> contracts.
>>>>>>>>It
>>>>>>>>gets specified when there is no earthly reason why the application
>>>>>>>>requires
>>>>>>>>it. The legacy stuff slows down the dawning of a fully accessible
>> world.
>>>>>>>>It hurts you and it hurts me.
>>>>>>>>To be sure, I make my living creating and selling products that make
>> our
>>>>>>>>world accessible. But first and foremost, I am a blind person. I am
>> one
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>you. And every day I face the same accessibility challenges you 
>>>>>>>>face.
>> I
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>dedicated my life and my company to making the world more accessible
>> for
>>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>of us, but I can't do it alone. This is a challenge that every blind
>>>>>>>>person
>>>>>>>>needs to take up. We need to shout from the rooftops: "Enough!"
>>>>>>>>We need to commit ourselves in each and every situation to finding 
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>using
>>>>>>>>the most accessible off the shelf tool and/or the least-cost, 
>>>>>>>>highest
>>>>>>>>function accessibility tool available. With our dollars and our
>>>>>>>>commitment
>>>>>>>>to making known that our needs and the needs of sighted people are 
>>>>>>>>99%
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>same, we can reshape this marketplace. We can drive the dinosaurs 
>>>>>>>>into
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>tar pits and nurture those cute fuzzy little varmints that are
>> ancestors
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>the next generation. We can be part of the solution rather than part
>> of
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>problem.
>>>>>>>>And all it takes is getting the best possible solution for your
>>>>>>>>specific need. Once you have found the solution to fill that need, 
>>>>>>>>let
>>>>>>>>the company know you appreciate their work towards better
>>>>>>>>accessibility. Let your friends (sighted and blind) know about these
>>>>>>>>accessibility features; they probably don't know that such features
>>>>>>>>exist. Make your needs known to the vocational rehab people you are
>>>>>>>>working with, and don't allow them to make recommendations for a
>>>>>>>>specific technology for no other reason than that it's been in the
>>>>>>>>contract for years. Make sure your schools and your workplace
>>>>>>>>understand the need to push technology in to the accessible space.
>>>>>>>>Show them the low-cost alternatives. In this economy some, the
>>>>>>>>intelligent ones, will get it and the tide will begin to turn. And
>>>>>>>>then in short order the tsunami of good sense will wash away the 
>>>>>>>>old,
>>>>>>>>and give us the space to build a more accessible world for all of 
>>>>>>>>us.
>>>>>>>>Let the demand ring out loud and clear and the market will follow.If
>>>>>>>>this message rings true to you, don't just shake your fist in
>>>>>>>>agreement and leave it at that. let your voice be heard! Arm 
>>>>>>>>yourself
>>>>>>>>with the vision of a future where there are no social, conceptual, 
>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>economic barriers to accessibility, and let your words and your
>>>>>>>>actions demonstrate that you will not rest until that vision is
>>>>>>>>realized. Take out your wallet and let your consumer power shine! 
>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>do mater as a market people! You have kept this company alive with
>>>>>>>>your money for 8 years this month! I believe that if we all get
>>>>>>>>together and do our part, we will finally say "NO more!" same old 
>>>>>>>>same
>>>>>>>>old! Join the revolution! Together we can change the world!Posted by
>>>>>>>>Mike Calvo at 2:15 PM
>>>>>>>>
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