[blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing

Wed Apr 25 00:03:20 UTC 2012

Your right- could have meant a score in the 95 percentile or better - that
she scores better that 95% of other 4 year olds.  

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From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:31 PM
To: Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing

I was confused about the 95, too. Maybe it means 95%? But then couldn't a
95% on the verbal sections only be a good equivalent?
Arielle

On 4/24/12, Denise Colton <dlcolton at parkcity.net> wrote:
> I agree with Gina on this.
>
> One curiosity: The original question stated that the child had to 
> score a 95 or higher for admission.  A standard score of 95 on a 
> standardized IQ test would be a score in average range not gifted range.
>
> The Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children cited below by Heather is 
> not an appropriate measure because the child is too young for this 
> measure.  The Wechsler Preschool and Primary Scale of Intelligence 
> (WPPSI-III)verbal subtests could be a reasonable choice with verbal 
> only subtests administered.
>
> A special education teacher can not conduct the WPPSI-III.  If a 
> special education teacher rather than a school psychologist is 
> conducting the intelligence testing I would be very concerned that 
> their training would not be sufficient to administer an appropriate 
> test for giftedness to a preschool child.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of Gina Ouellette
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:32 PM
> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing
>
> Oh, WJIII, not WSIII!
>
> Sorry, the S threw me! Yes, this is an academic achievement test only, 
> though. The APH version does not include the cognitive sections of the 
> WJ-III, it only includes the academic achievement sections. For a 
> young child just entering kindergarten the ceiling will be very low 
> and she may not score very high, even if she is advanced for her age. 
> Most gifted programs prefer to use measures of cognition rather than 
> measures of academic achievement.
>
> Gina O.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:10 PM
> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing
>
> Woodcock-Johnson III NU: Tests of Achievement Braille Adaptation
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Gina Ouellette
> <gouellette at csb-cde.ca.gov>wrote:
>
>> What is the WSIII?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gina
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M Robinson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:46 AM
>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing
>>
>> The WSIII has a normed braille version
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Heather Field 
>> <missheather at comcast.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Arielle,
>> > I am not aware of any IQ tests normed for 4-year-old blind children.
>> > I believe that the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for children (WISC), 
>> > which is now in its fourth version, may have been normed for blind
>> children.
>> > However, even this would present problems as it would only have 
>> > been normed on the nonvisual components. Furthermore, as the 
>> > population of children who are blind, with no additional 
>> > interfering variables such as other disabilities, is so small to 
>> > begin with, and certainly the entire population was not included in 
>> > the process of norming the test, it is almost impossible to take 
>> > any claims of something having been normed with blind children
seriously.
>> >
>> > So, I would advise the parents to ask for their child to be 
>> > assessed on a combination of her work and on portfolios and 
>> > recommendations from teachers who work with her. The psychologist 
>> > may want to give her some test of their chosing but it really will 
>> > have no significance in deciding this child's ranking with her sighted
peers.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Heather field
>> >
>> > -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:20 PM
>> > To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> > This came up on another list and I think some of you will have 
>> > answers for this mom. If you have pertinent information please 
>> > either write to her directly using the email address provided in 
>> > the header, or reply on-list and I will forward. Thanks for your help!
>> > Arielle
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: annie murphy <annabelle231 at yahoo.com>
>> > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
>> > Subject: [LCA] IQ Test for blind
>> > To: "LCA at yahoogroups.com" <LCA at yahoogroups.com>
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am trying to get Madeline enrolled in Kindergarten for the
>> > 2012-2013 year. Because she will not be 5 until October, I have to 
>> > go through early entrance, for which you have to be deemed gifted.
>> > They have done everything other than an IQ test, but at this point, 
>> > they are stumped on how to do this. I was told today that they will 
>> > adapt the IQ test by just giving Mads the verbal parts. Anything 
>> > with a picture or graph will be not be used. My concerns are that 
>> > for her to get early enrollment, she has to score a 95 or higher on 
>> > the IQ test, and they are only using the verbal parts...
>> > Does anyone know where I can find an adapted IQ test for a 4 year old??
>> >
>> > Thank you!
>> >
>> > Annie
>> > Madelin 4.5 years old, gene still unknown.
>> >
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