[blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing

Thu Apr 26 01:29:00 UTC 2012

We were told that at least one adapted test we ran across was going to require some special training beyond the typical requirements such that if used, they were going to have to fly someone across the country to get them trained before it could be administered. Ultimately an alternative was found for our daughter. This was in first grade though, so I doubt that would be an appropriate testing instrument for you.

It can get complicated.

On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:16 PM, May Whitaker wrote:

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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Denise Colton
> Sent: 24 Apr 2012 22:26:23 GMT
> To: 'Blind Kid Mailing List,    (for parents of blind children)'
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing
> 
> I agree with Gina on this.
> 
> One curiosity: The original question stated that the child had to score a 95
> or higher for admission.  A standard score of 95 on a standardized IQ test
> would be a score in average range not gifted range.
> 
> The Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children cited below by Heather is not
> an appropriate measure because the child is too young for this measure.  The
> Wechsler Preschool and Primary Scale of Intelligence (WPPSI-III)verbal
> subtests could be a reasonable choice with verbal only subtests
> administered.
> 
> A special education teacher can not conduct the WPPSI-III.  If a special
> education teacher rather than a school psychologist is conducting the
> intelligence testing I would be very concerned that their training would not
> be sufficient to administer an appropriate test for giftedness to a
> preschool child.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Gina Ouellette
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:32 PM
> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing
> 
> Oh, WJIII, not WSIII!
> 
> Sorry, the S threw me! Yes, this is an academic achievement test only,
> though. The APH version does not include the cognitive sections of the
> WJ-III, it only includes the academic achievement sections. For a young
> child just entering kindergarten the ceiling will be very low and she may
> not score very high, even if she is advanced for her age. Most gifted
> programs prefer to use measures of cognition rather than measures of
> academic achievement.
> 
> Gina O.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Dr. Denise M Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:10 PM
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> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing
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> Woodcock-Johnson III NU: Tests of Achievement Braille Adaptation
> 
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Gina Ouellette
> <gouellette at csb-cde.ca.gov>wrote:
> 
>> What is the WSIII?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Gina
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M Robinson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:46 AM
>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing
>> 
>> The WSIII has a normed braille version
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Heather Field
>> <missheather at comcast.net
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Arielle,
>>> I am not aware of any IQ tests normed for 4-year-old blind children.
>>> I believe that the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for children (WISC),
>>> which is now in its fourth version, may have been normed for blind
>> children.
>>> However, even this would present problems as it would only have been
>>> normed on the nonvisual components. Furthermore, as the population
>>> of children who are blind, with no additional interfering variables
>>> such as other disabilities, is so small to begin with, and certainly
>>> the entire population was not included in the process of norming the
>>> test, it is almost impossible to take any claims of something having
>>> been normed with blind children seriously.
>>> 
>>> So, I would advise the parents to ask for their child to be assessed
>>> on a combination of her work and on portfolios and recommendations
>>> from teachers who work with her. The psychologist may want to give
>>> her some test of their chosing but it really will have no
>>> significance in deciding this child's ranking with her sighted peers.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Heather field
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:20 PM
>>> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [blindkid] Inquiry about IQ/Gifted Testing
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> This came up on another list and I think some of you will have
>>> answers for this mom. If you have pertinent information please
>>> either write to her directly using the email address provided in the
>>> header, or reply on-list and I will forward. Thanks for your help!
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: annie murphy <annabelle231 at yahoo.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
>>> Subject: [LCA] IQ Test for blind
>>> To: "LCA at yahoogroups.com" <LCA at yahoogroups.com>
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I am trying to get Madeline enrolled in Kindergarten for the
>>> 2012-2013 year. Because she will not be 5 until October, I have to
>>> go through early entrance, for which you have to be deemed gifted.
>>> They have done everything other than an IQ test, but at this point,
>>> they are stumped on how to do this. I was told today that they will
>>> adapt the IQ test by just giving Mads the verbal parts. Anything
>>> with a picture or graph will be not be used. My concerns are that
>>> for her to get early enrollment, she has to score a 95 or higher on
>>> the IQ test, and they are only using the verbal parts...
>>> Does anyone know where I can find an adapted IQ test for a 4 year old??
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> 
>>> Annie
>>> Madelin 4.5 years old, gene still unknown.
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