[blindkid] Fwd: [LCA] math question

Bonnie Lucas lucas.bonnie at gmail.com
Mon May 21 23:49:03 UTC 2012 

This is exactly what we have done including the print math book. It sure
helped my husband work with her in geometry.

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From: DrV [mailto:icdx at earthlink.net] 
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Subject: Re: [blindkid] Fwd: [LCA] math question

My kids are in 4th & 9th grade & do virtually all their math using the
Perkins. 
They unfortunately never really learned the abacus, so I can't comment on
that.
Brailling it out is nice, because they can line up their problems & answers
& can follow their work & check steps if needed. They can do their scratch
work on the side & see that too.
They use the BrailleNote for virtually everything other than math.
In middle school & high school we just left on brailler in the Math
classroom. (They each have on at home too).
Both use a plexiglass-type stand over the Perkins at school & home on the
top of which they place their embossed math book.
It works well.
We always write into the IEP that we need to get a print copy of the
"teachers edition" of the math books - that is the version that has the
answers in it (a blessing as the math gets more complicated). That way we
can easily check their answers. We have them redo the problems they get
wrong.
Eric

On 5/19/12 3:04 PM, "Richard Holloway" <rholloway at gopbc.org> wrote:

>Similar situation here-- the brailler works best for our soon-to-be 4th 
>grader. Kendra is as skilled a BrailleNote user as you will find, 
>especially for her age. She's quite good with an abacus. We've used 
>things like the math window product. They all have their uses, but so 
>far, when it comes to math, the braillewriter gives the best access to 
>the entire math problem at once. It is just hard to deal with large 
>problems with access to only one line at a time, and yes, the math 
>window does solve this and work really well as a learning tool, but in 
>practice there are so many "fiddly bits" that it doesn't seem to be 
>usable to solve problems in much quantity.
>
>Richard
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>On May 19, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Bonnie Lucas wrote:
>
>> My daughter, Aubrie, has used a Brailler since the beginning of math.
>>When I
>> try to talk to her about other options, she refuses because she 
>>really  believes that having multiple lines to do her work is the only 
>>way to go. I  taught her how to set up problems and work them when she 
>>was in about third  grade and she has been working them that way 
>>eversince. I've even asked her  if she feel embarrassed about having 
>>it in class and she says "no." She  would never take the brailler to 
>>any other class, however. I've even tried  to encourage her to write 
>>out the equasions on the BrailleNote. She also  will use the abicus 
>>though I can't say exactly when or how she puts it to  use.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Arielle Silverman [mailto:arielle71 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:52 PM
>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Fwd: [LCA] math question
>> 
>> You can definitely write out math expressions, equations and 
>>solutions on  the Braille Note but I don't know how you would perform 
>>the mathematical  operations themselves (borrowing, carrying etc.) I'm 
>>sure it's possible, I  just don't know how it is done. My intuition is 
>>the abacus would be easier  than the Brailler, but I never gave the 
>>Brailler option much serious effort  so I don't know.
>> I completed calculus in high school without the use of a graphing  
>>calculator; there are algebraic ways to solve nearly all the equations 
>>I was  taught. I'm not aware of an accessible graphinc calculator that 
>>provides  tactile output. There are a few that provide audio output, 
>>which may or may  not work depending on what level of calculus you are 
>>in.
>> Arielle
>> 
>> On 5/18/12, Susie <scooper1218 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> My son is in 5th grade & has had a braillenote for a year & he's had 
>>> his share of struggles with math. He actually has to work out the 
>>> math problems on the Braille writer & they have just recently got 
>>> him the Math Window Tile Pallet to see if that would help him 
>>> understand the steps that need to be taken. I haven't heard other 
>>> wise but my understanding is that you can't do math problems on the
braillenote.
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Susie
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Once again, this question came to me from another parents' list. If 
>>>> anyone has comments on math techniques using a Brailler or Braille 
>>>> notetaker, please either respond to Greg directly or respond 
>>>> on-list and I will forward. Thanks for your help!
>>>> Arielle
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Greg Hardwig <ghardwig at comcast.net>
>>>> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:02:16 -0400
>>>> Subject: [LCA] math question
>>>> To: lca at yahoogroups.com
>>>> 
>>>> Sarah is in the process of finishing up third grade (hard to 
>>>> believe) and she's spent a lot of time trying to learn the abacus, 
>>>> with limited success. He's been doing "mental math" but we had an 
>>>> IEP today and everyone is wondering if there's something else out 
>>>> there besides the abacus. We also discussed getting her a 
>>>> BrailleNote or something similar. So if anyone has any 
>>>> thoughts/experiences out there they'd like to share ...
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Greg Hardwig
>>>> Naples, FL
>>>> Sarah (9- CEP 290)
>>>> 
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