[blindkid] TVI role in SAT, etc.
Trudy Pickrel
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Wed Oct 17 17:12:55 UTC 2012
CarltonIs there a good year/grade to have this on the IEP
Trudy L. Pickrel
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> From: Carlton Anne Cook Walker <carltonwalker at gmail.com>
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> Eric,
>
> I will echo Pat's information about the SAT, PSAT, ACT, AP, IB,
> state-specific, and similar tests being considered integral to education.
> Nevertheless, it would not hurt (at all) to include preparation for and
> provision of sample copies of these tests in the student's IEP. For most
> students, this would properly belong in the
> "accommodations/modifications/specially-designed instruction/whatever other
> term your state uses" portion of the IEP. In most cases, this would not be
> appropriate as a stand-alone goal, but time for work in this area should be
> contemplated and provided for in the IEP by the IEP team.
>
> Regarding administration of the test by a TVI, while that is ideal (because
> the proctor really SHOULD be able to read the test s/he proctors), it is
> not always necessary. Nevertheless, most test administration sites provide
> their own proctors. One possible solution would be to request that the IEP
> team place in the IEP the provision of the TVI (or any TVI) as a proctor
> for any of these high-stakes tests (this would be appropriate in either the
> Transition portion of the IEP or in Related Services). At that point, the
> student and/or parent would communicate with a potential test
> administration site to confirm the ability of the TVI to act as a proctor.
> If the testing site is not willing to allow this, the student and/or
> parent would then be free to find a more amenable testing administration
> site.
>
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Carlton
>
> --
> Carlton Anne Cook Walker
> Attorney at Law
> Teacher of Students with Blindness/Visual Impairment
> 105 Creamery Road
> Boiling Springs, PA 17007
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> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:01:38 -0400
> From: Carlton Anne Cook Walker <nopbcpres at gmail.com>
> To: NOPBC Board of Directors <nopbc-board at nfbnet.org>,
> blindkid at nfbnet.org, "Shaheen, Natalie" <NShaheen at nfb.org>, "Jensen,
> Meleah" <mjensen at nfb.org>
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> Subject: [blindkid] Need pictures of Children and Youth (Birth to 21)
> from 2012 in Dallas
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> Hello everyone,
>
> I am pleased to announce that the NOPBC is creating a digital compilation
> of pictures (with descriptive tags) of children and youth activities at
> the 2012 NFB Convention (including the NOPBC Conference, NFB Child Care,
> Jernigan Institute Youth Track, etc.). We want to include all the various
> aspects of what our children do at Convention from the serious to the
> whimsical. We plan to share this product with our current sponsors and to
> use it to show new parents how fun and meaningful Convention is for our
> children.
>
> To this end, I write to request digital photographs of our blind children
> at the Convention along with a brief description of the activity (including
> first names of participants, if desired). NOPBC Second Vice President Kim
> Cunningham is coordinating the effort, and I ask you to send publishable
> digital pictures to her at kim at tpobc.org.
>
> Of course, not all pictures can be used. Nevertheless, we want a plethora
> of options -- and we LOVE seeing cute kids!!
>
> **** Please make certain that the parent/guardian of all children depicted
> in your submitted photograph(s) consent to the publication of the
> photograph for NOPBC and/or sponsor educational, informational, and
> promotional purposes. By submitting said photograph(s), you warrant that
> parental permission for such publication has been obtained.*
>
>
> Deadline for picture and description submission is October 30, 2012.
>
>
>
> Thank you so much for your support in this effort!
>
>
>
> *Carlton*
>
>
>
> --
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> 105 Creamery Road
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:39:21 -0700
> From: DrV <icdx at earthlink.net>
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> Subject: Re: [blindkid] ACT/(PLAN = Pre-ACT) & SAT/PSAT Questions
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> Thanks Pat,
> The braille PSAT & pre-test arrived today (down to the wire!)
> V was excited to share that the graphics for the PSAT pretest were MUCH
> better than those of the PLAN.
> Based on what we shared of our experience with the PLAN, the district
> called the PSAT folks & they actually do allow the proctor to clarify.
> Does anyone have any insight into why braille PSAT test-takers have to
> miss a day of classes, rather than take it on Saturday like the rest of
> the kids?
>
> Eric
>
> On 10/16/12 6:06 AM, "Pat Renfranz" <dblair2525 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> >Sorry- PSAT. I assume the SAT and AP exams would be similar, but don't
> >know--like you say, one stops assuming at some point.
> >
> >In our case, the Braille practice tests came with the 2012 test; if the
> >school doesn't have the practice tests yet, do they have the real test?
> >
> >Whoever is transcribing answers onto the answer sheet needs to know how to
> >enter "student-produced response questions" in the PSAT math section.
> >There
> >are specific instructions on how to do so in the test guide, but I would
> >not
> >assume any given teacher/proctor would review the guide, thinking the test
> >is all multiple choice.
> >
> >Another thing to be aware of: the College Board uses different language
> >for
> >extended time than other tests she has been exposed to: "100% extended
> >time"
> >means double time, 200% is triple. People at the school don't seem to
> >understand this, so we will be having a discussion with them today. It
> >feels
> >like we are re-inventing the wheel.
> >
> >The pre-ACT test situation sounds patently unfair.
> >
> >Good luck to Vejas on Wednesday!
> >Pat
> >
> >
> >On 10/15/12 11:29 PM, "Eric Vasiliauskas" <icdx at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Pat. Which braille practice test are you referring to: ACT? SAT?
> >PSAT?
> >> or PLAN?
> >
> >V takes the PSAT Wednesday (since all kids who take the PLAN in
> >> Braille
> >format have to take it on Wednesday instead of Saturday like
> >> everyone
> >else, he will pretty much miss all his classes that day ->
> >> who's
> >insightful decision was that?) We still haven't received the pretest
> >> that
> >is supposed to accompany the Braille PSAT - the school is hoping it
> >> will
> >come tomorrow?
> >
> >For all you with younger kids - exposure to (& mastery
> >> of) graphics of all
> >sorts is important: on the PLAN (Pre-ACT) my son says that
> >> virtually the
> >whole science section was based on graphics: charts, tables,
> >> graphs, etc.
> >For this they are on their own & can't ask for clarification.
> >
> >V
> >> states that a number of the graphics in the PLAN were not labeled
> >properly,
> >> making them hard or impossible to understand. He says there was
> >one bar graph
> >> in which all the bars were short & the all the same size.
> >
> >Also there was a
> >> portion of the language arts section that was confusing.
> >The directions
> >> referred to underlined words or phrases. V kept searching
> >for the braille
> >> underline symbol, then after a while realized that for the
> >PLAN test they
> >> decided to note underlining by embossing a LINE embossed
> >ABOVE the words or
> >> phrases. This would not seem to conform to my
> >understanding of accepted
> >> transcription standards.
> >
> >The combination of the above 2 irregularities is
> >> what makes me question if
> >they actually used a certified transcriber for the
> >> PLAN test. (I learned
> >to stop assuming long ago :-(
> >
> >We'll see how Wednesday
> >> goes?
> >Eric
> >
> >
> >On 10/15/12 6:58 PM, "Pat Renfranz" <dblair2525 at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>Eric,
> >>Not sure about proofing, but C has been using the 2010 Braille
> >> test for
> >>practice, and she says the graphics are excellent. They are prepared
> >> on a
> >>very high end type of swell paper, so lines are lines, and dots are
> >> dots.
> >>There is also a description of the figure, so that she knows what to
> >> look
> >>for (example: this is circle with an equilateral triangle drawn
> >> within
> >>it).
> >>She has not noticed any problems with the Braille. The line
> >> numbering
> >>system
> >>used on the verbal section is a little difficult, but
> >> useable.
> >>C's test will be proctored by the TVI. Her TVI considers this to be
> >> part
> >>of
> >>the school "experience," not as extracurricular.
> >>Pat
> >>
> >>
> >>On
> >> 10/14/12 11:52 AM, "Eric Vasiliauskas" <icdx at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi
> >> All,
> >>> My son took the PLAN (pre-ACT) on Saturday & will be taking the
> >> PSAT
> >>> Wednesday. This is the first time our district is administering
> >> these
> >>>to a
> >>> braille-using student (at least in this century).
> >>> On behalf
> >> of my son, I?d appreciate any insights/thoughts you have on
> >>>the
> >>>
> >> following:
> >>> 1. Based on what my son shared about the graphics &
> >> formatting, do
> >>>any
> >>> of you know if the Braille version of these National
> >> Standardized Tests
> >>>are
> >>> produced & proofed by certified transcribers?
> >>>
> >>
> >>> 2. Who in your experience typically proctors these tests? How
> >> often
> >>>is
> >>> the TVI?
> >>>
> >>> 3. How much clarification is the proctor
> >> allowed to give? My son had
> >>>been
> >>> specifically instructed that he could
> >> not ask for any clarifications,
> >>>but it
> >>> seemed like for some of the
> >> graphics, not all the information was there
> >>>or
> >>> presented properly in the
> >> braille version.
> >>>
> >>> 4. What do you perceive the role of the TVI to be
> >> leading up to these
> >>> tests, preparing for these tests, & potentially in
> >> their administration
> >>>(is
> >>> this considered in the TVI world to be an
> >> "extracurricular" activity or
> >>>part
> >>> of a student's educational
> >> experience)?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Respectfully,
> >>> EricV
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:54:26 -0700
> From: DrV <icdx at earthlink.net>
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> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] TVI role in SAT, etc.
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> Thanks Carlton. Sound advice. I just never imagined it that TVI
> participation (or lack thereof) in the process would be an issues - ---
> see what happens when one assumes :-(
>
> On 10/16/12 2:10 PM, "Carlton Anne Cook Walker" <carltonwalker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Eric,
> >
> >I will echo Pat's information about the SAT, PSAT, ACT, AP, IB,
> >state-specific, and similar tests being considered integral to education.
> > Nevertheless, it would not hurt (at all) to include preparation for and
> >provision of sample copies of these tests in the student's IEP. For most
> >students, this would properly belong in the
> >"accommodations/modifications/specially-designed instruction/whatever
> >other
> >term your state uses" portion of the IEP. In most cases, this would not
> >be
> >appropriate as a stand-alone goal, but time for work in this area should
> >be
> >contemplated and provided for in the IEP by the IEP team.
> >
> >Regarding administration of the test by a TVI, while that is ideal
> >(because
> >the proctor really SHOULD be able to read the test s/he proctors), it is
> >not always necessary. Nevertheless, most test administration sites
> >provide
> >their own proctors. One possible solution would be to request that the
> >IEP
> >team place in the IEP the provision of the TVI (or any TVI) as a proctor
> >for any of these high-stakes tests (this would be appropriate in either
> >the
> >Transition portion of the IEP or in Related Services). At that point, the
> >student and/or parent would communicate with a potential test
> >administration site to confirm the ability of the TVI to act as a proctor.
> > If the testing site is not willing to allow this, the student and/or
> >parent would then be free to find a more amenable testing administration
> >site.
> >
> >
> >I hope this helps.
> >
> >
> >
> >Carlton
> >
> >--
> >Carlton Anne Cook Walker
> >Attorney at Law
> >Teacher of Students with Blindness/Visual Impairment
> >105 Creamery Road
> >Boiling Springs, PA 17007
> >Voice: 717-658-9894
> >Twitter: braillemom
> >
> >
> >*This message is not intended or offered as legal advice. * These
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> >have been prepared for educational and information purposes only. They
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> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 06:58:51 -0400
> From: Denise Robinson <deniserob at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [blindkid] TVI role in SAT, etc.
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> To add slightly to Carlton's statement...since most TVIs do not have the experience to proctor well, have a TVI with a proctor that is already well experienced....then any area is covered and your child has the best chance of not missing things because of a lack of knowledge on the proctor side... The child can just focus on taking the test to their ability.
>
> Denise M Robinson
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:54 AM, DrV <icdx at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Carlton. Sound advice. I just never imagined it that TVI
> > participation (or lack thereof) in the process would be an issues - ---
> > see what happens when one assumes :-(
> >
> > On 10/16/12 2:10 PM, "Carlton Anne Cook Walker" <carltonwalker at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Eric,
> >>
> >> I will echo Pat's information about the SAT, PSAT, ACT, AP, IB,
> >> state-specific, and similar tests being considered integral to education.
> >> Nevertheless, it would not hurt (at all) to include preparation for and
> >> provision of sample copies of these tests in the student's IEP. For most
> >> students, this would properly belong in the
> >> "accommodations/modifications/specially-designed instruction/whatever
> >> other
> >> term your state uses" portion of the IEP. In most cases, this would not
> >> be
> >> appropriate as a stand-alone goal, but time for work in this area should
> >> be
> >> contemplated and provided for in the IEP by the IEP team.
> >>
> >> Regarding administration of the test by a TVI, while that is ideal
> >> (because
> >> the proctor really SHOULD be able to read the test s/he proctors), it is
> >> not always necessary. Nevertheless, most test administration sites
> >> provide
> >> their own proctors. One possible solution would be to request that the
> >> IEP
> >> team place in the IEP the provision of the TVI (or any TVI) as a proctor
> >> for any of these high-stakes tests (this would be appropriate in either
> >> the
> >> Transition portion of the IEP or in Related Services). At that point, the
> >> student and/or parent would communicate with a potential test
> >> administration site to confirm the ability of the TVI to act as a proctor.
> >> If the testing site is not willing to allow this, the student and/or
> >> parent would then be free to find a more amenable testing administration
> >> site.
> >>
> >>
> >> I hope this helps.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Carlton
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carlton Anne Cook Walker
> >> Attorney at Law
> >> Teacher of Students with Blindness/Visual Impairment
> >> 105 Creamery Road
> >> Boiling Springs, PA 17007
> >> Voice: 717-658-9894
> >> Twitter: braillemom
> >>
> >>
> >> *This message is not intended or offered as legal advice. * These
> >> materials
> >> have been prepared for educational and information purposes only. They
> >> are
> >> not legal advice or legal opinions on any specific matters. Transmission
> >> of the information is not intended to create, and receipt does not
> >> constitute, a lawyer-client relationship between this site, the author(s),
> >> or the publisher, and you or any other user. Internet subscribers and
> >> online readers should not act, or fail to act, upon this information
> >> without seeking professional counsel. No person should act or fail to act
> >> on any legal matter based on the contents of this site. Unless expressly
> >> stated otherwise, no document herein should be assumed to be produced by
> >> an
> >> attorney licensed in your state.
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