[blindkid] blindkid Digest, Vol 101, Issue 5

Sat Sep 8 12:19:27 UTC 2012

His goals determine his services.  So what are his goals?  Do they support more time with the TVI?   Do you need to write better or more goals to obtain more services?     If he isn't making sufficient progress, you can also argue he isn't receiving enough services (instructional time with TVI). 

You stated how many hours he was with his TVI.  Is that daily?   Drake receives push-in services but it is to ensure he is able to use the skills he has learned one-on-one with the TVI and is able to use them in the classroom setting.   I am not sure that the time is actually used for instruction so much as reinforcement.  

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 From: Trudy Pickrel <tlpickrel at hotmail.com>
To: "blindkid at nfbnet.org" <blindkid at nfbnet.org> 
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [blindkid] blindkid Digest, Vol 101, Issue 5

What is a average time with TVI look like for a 5 th grader. And what is a required amount of time to learn Technology my son has use of his apex for school and homework time only. Not year around or pleasure reading. Still does not have textbooks on it or not able to know how to email or have opportunity to use what taught outside of homework time on apex.

He used to have two hours in kindergarten and first grade and second.  third and fourth grade he had one hour in one hour out now this year unfortunately it's half hour out here half hour out there and it's supposedly one hour in the classroom. Is it possible to accomplish learning Nemeth and technology etc. and half-hour segments

Trudy L Pickrel
President MD Parents Blind Children
Owner TLC by the Lake poodles

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> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 21:45:48 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
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> Subject: Re: [blindkid] BrailleNote use
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> An ultrabook is a class of computer, not a specific machine.  It is 
> basically a small, powerful laptop.
> 
> Windows machine makers have come out with them to compete with some 
> of the very small, slim Apple laptops.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 09:37 AM 9/6/2012, you wrote:
>> Hi Bernadette,
>> In what way does one use Ultra Book?  HOw is it unique for the 
>> blind?  I looked
>> it up, and it appears that is is a laptop.  Can you say more about it.
>> 
>> Much appreciated.
>> Bo Page in CT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Bernadette Jacobs <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thu, September 6, 2012 7:33:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] BrailleNote use
>> 
>> Firstly, I'm one who's been burned by the world of notetakers.  I,
>> myself, will never, ever have another notetaker.  I've found the
>> drawbacks are as follows:
>> 
>> 1.  The turn-around time if your notetaker should have to be in for
>> repair can be a whole six months.  I've heard others' tales of woe
>> that sometimes even when people have gotten their notetakers back,
>> they weren't even in the same condition they had previously sent it.
>> 
>> 2.  In my instance, for example, I had upgraded the software on mine
>> two years in a row.  Then when I went online to upgrade for a third
>> time, I was told that there was a serious hardward upgrade problem.
>> When I called the outfit, they of course informed me that they had
>> failed to tell me about hardware upgrades that I needed and until I
>> paid out mukobucks for the hardware, I couldn't even touch the
>> software.  In essence, the hardware upgrades, in addition to the
>> software upgrades I needed would cost me three-fourths the price of a
>> whole brand new machine!!!  NEVER AGAIN!!!  NEVER AGAIN!!!
>> 
>> 3.  Good news, however, I talked with the folks here at the National
>> Center and they've informed me that something new called the
>> "Ultra-Book" has come out.  One can get them through Amazon and almost
>> anywhere one can purchase computers.  Yah--windows based and all!  You
>> can use it like your personal PC or laptop.  As for the price, even
>> that's not too bad!  You can get 'em for around $1300.00ish or so.
>> Far less also than a notetaker!!!  You don't have to worry about your
>> machine sitting in some shop on the other side of tim-buck-two for six
>> months to a year only to have it come back to you Lord knows how.
>> It's far easier to upgrade software on a PC, laptop, or "Ultra-Book"
>> and you can connect with any printer or PC VIA usb connection or
>> whatever.  One could do the same with a netbook.  Just like having a
>> laptop.  I do know many parents right here on the list whose counties
>> purchased this equipment, (notetakers and all), for their
>> blind/disabled students in order for them to continue to compete in
>> their class rooms.
>> 
>> That's my take for whatever it's worth!
>> 
>> Have a great day!
>> 
>> Bernie
>> 
>> On 9/5/12, Carly B <barnesraiser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello all!
>>> 
>>> I am hoping to get some thoughts/advice regarding my son's school
>>> situation. My son is 10 and he just entered 4th grade at the state academy
>>> for the blind. He's been there since 1st grade. At his IEP meeting last
>>> spring, I asked that he be provided with a Braille Note for his home use. I
>>> thought I had requested it starting at the beginning of the summer (2012)
>>> but that it would be something he would use at home during the school year.
>>> Somehow this was misconstrued and it was entered in his IEP that he would
>>> be provided the Braille Note for the summer only. Sadly, the instructor in
>>> charge of technology (even though I had communicated with him *months*
>>> prior to the IEP meeting and had gotten his "buy-in" then) did not have the
>>> Braille Note ready for our son's use until the end of July. It was really
>>> frustrating to be put off for 4-5 months after our initial request, but
>>> since I thought that once we had it, we would have it indefinitely, that
>>> helped.
>>> 
>>> Well, we've had the use of it for 4 weeks and I just received a request to
>>> return it. Reading the IEP a little more carefully (yes, I glossed over
>>> portions, including that one) I realize now there was a misunderstanding
>>> about it.
>>> 
>>> But my question is: how many of you have technology at home provided by the
>>> school? I mean, how unusual a request is or isn't this? Early on in this
>>> process I encountered several TVI's who said they provide Braille Notes to
>>> their students for use at home and school from an early age. So I got the
>>> idea that it is somewhat standard.
>>> 
>>> Should I request another IEP meeting and make the request again, being
>>> clear this time what I want? Should I expect to receive it? I mean, the
>>> Braille Note is available to my son at school for *maybe* 30 minutes a day.
>>> The amount of Braille material we have at home is quite limited. The
>>> Braille Note is like a Kindle for Braille books... my son is part-way
>>> through two books he downloaded from BookShare that he would not be able to
>>> finish. He needs the extra practice time to increase his proficiency and
>>> his reading speed. Of course I'm afraid they will say that he doesn't need
>>> that...
>>> 
>>> Anyway, any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I just need to figure
>>> out what to do from here...
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> 
>>> :) Carolynn aka Brian's mom
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> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 19:54:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: SUSAN POLANSKY <sepolansky at verizon.net>
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> Subject: Re: [blindkid] BrailleNote use
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> My son has had a Braille note taker for year round use since 2nd grade [now in 11th]. He has also taken it to many summer camps, vacations, etc. He has a lap top at school and has had a Braille writer at home and where ever else needed [class rooms, day care, etc.]since preK. He has JAWS on his personal home computer. We have never requested any additional tech equipment at home. He has all he needs at school, he and his TVI have their own office area in the school and he has plenty of time with her for instruction and practice in use. 
> 
> Susan 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Carly B <barnesraiser at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] BrailleNote use
> 
> I really appreciate that... my question is (since I expect resistance to
> the idea... based on how difficult it was just to get it in the first
> place) how typical is this, for schools to provide this? Or, how do I make
> a case for it... one that will really hold water (beyond, we just really
> want it).
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Denise Robinson <deniserob at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Make an addendum to the IEP...if any issues then re convene the IEP and
>> get this straightened out ASAP
>> 
>> 
>> Denise M Robinson
>> Sent from my iPad
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> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 06:50:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rosina Solano <colemangirly at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [blindkid] tech general in IEP
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> Okay, all this laptop and braille note is getting me ready to ask a couple questions.? Okay, my school district has been great with braille, but horrible with technology.? My son is in 9th grade and still brailling all his homework.? Getting ready to take them on with tech.? Cost is only part issue since we already have both a braille sense and a laptop with jaws that we have at home.? I just need to get training for him on it.? He goes over some stuff with his TVI every other day, when he sees her, but she is not tech and this is becoming silly.? How do you get the tech into the IEP and what are some general goals concerning tech that we should be aiming for?? I know that if he could be downloading some of his own books, that would help with cost for the school down the road, as well as the TVI's time brailling all his work, if he could do it all on the computer.? Being not so tech myself, I am a little lost down this road.
> ?
> Rosina
> 
> 
> ********************************************
> Rosina Foster
> www.tadpoleacres.webs.com
> MOPBC Missouri Parents of Blind Children
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> 
> 
> ?
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 07:24:14 -0700
> From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [blindkid] tech general in IEP
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> Rosina
> 
> He can do ALL this on a laptop with jaws and a braille
> display---completely  eliminating for any hard copy work--print work that
> he cannot read himself anyway. Main Goals: Using Word and email---gmail is
> one of the easiest to use with jaws, should be the priority---he doing all
> his work in word, then emailing to teacher, teacher using track changes to
> mark his work, sends it back and jaws will read all the markup....all by
> himself. Teacher asks kids to read a book and he downloads it himself and
> begins reading just like everyone else.
> 
> Look around your area to see if there is someone---typically going to be a
> blind person using this tech already, and work on getting this person as
> part of the IEP team....then that person can teach the tech----when I teach
> like this, I insist the TVI be there to learn along with the student...or
> the para, or some adult who will follow through on the lessons....etc
> 
> Denise
> 
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Rosina Solano <colemangirly at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
>> Okay, all this laptop and braille note is getting me ready to ask a couple
>> questions.  Okay, my school district has been great with braille, but
>> horrible with technology.  My son is in 9th grade and still brailling all
>> his homework.  Getting ready to take them on with tech.  Cost is only part
>> issue since we already have both a braille sense and a laptop with jaws
>> that we have at home.  I just need to get training for him on it.  He goes
>> over some stuff with his TVI every other day, when he sees her, but she is
>> not tech and this is becoming silly.  How do you get the tech into the IEP
>> and what are some general goals concerning tech that we should be aiming
>> for?  I know that if he could be downloading some of his own books, that
>> would help with cost for the school down the road, as well as the TVI's
>> time brailling all his work, if he could do it all on the computer.  Being
>> not so tech myself, I am a little lost down this road.
>> 
>> Rosina
>> 
>> 
>> ********************************************
>> Rosina Foster
>> www.tadpoleacres.webs.com
>> MOPBC Missouri Parents of Blind Children
>> 
>> 
>> 
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