[blindkid] Signs ETC

Arielle Silverman arielle71 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 27 05:50:11 UTC 2013


Amen!
Arielle

On 2/26/13, Heather Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
> If a child, blind or sighted, cannot be trusted to act reliably playing or
> crossing busy streets unsupervised, then they need to be supervised  by a
> responsible adult who knows the child's developmental level and likelihood
> of putting themselves in danger. The adult can then prevent the child from
> injury. When the child, blind or sighted, is developmentally mature enough
> to play beside busy streets, then they do not need supervision. The issue of
>
> signs warning others that a child who is blind sometimes plays in this
> street doesn't factor into the equation as I see it. Irrespective of the
> child's age or amount of vision, if they are likely to put themselves in
> danger with traffic then I do not let them play near it unsupervised.
> Unfortunately, special signs do inform the public that blind people need
> "special" treatment and employers generally don't differentiate between the
>
> blind children referred to by the signs and the blind adults whom they don't
>
> want to employ. While we know that blind does not mean inferior, a large
> percentage of society does not, or does not believe our claim. So, while
> such signs appear to afford some parents a feeling of having done a positive
>
> thing to protect their child, any actual gains for the child--which I have
> never been able to identify in my discussions on this topic--are far
> outweighed by the reinforcement of negative stereotypes about the abilities
>
> of the blind to keep themselves safe. I simply see it as a child issue;
> children who aren't yet able to keep themselves safe need another adult to
> keep them safe; blindness is not the issue but maturity, skills and
> experience using them. I have thoroughly enjoyed this discussion and, I
> believe, it has been great for us all to look at what we believe and why we
>
> believe it. Having read everything posted so far, and considered it very
> thoughtfully, I have to say that I have still not been convinced that street
>
> safety is a blindness issue, nor that the safety of blind children can be
> improved by something like a "blind child at play" sign. I have, on the
> other hand, seen the influence that signs publicly proclaiming blindness as
>
> a reason for others to behave in ways that imply they are responsible for
> the blind person's safety can have, and this is a negative, not a positive
> influence. I really want to thank everyone for sharing their perspectives,
> it really has been a great exchange so far.
> Warmly,
> Heather Field
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Holloway
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:01 PM
> To: Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Signs ETC
>
> Right, by all means, let's train these kids, and until they are trained let
>
> them risk the dangers of traffic. Survival of the fittest may just come into
>
> play, right? Probably my child DESERVES to be hit by a car if she stands in
>
> the road and fails to move out of the way of a car. And how dare someone's
> blind two year old try to play with the sighted kids in the neighborhood
> before he has been properly trained as well. Is that what you are
> suggesting? I think you're right-- these blind kids just don't know their
> place.
>
> I'm very sorry if you feel stigmatized by what some parents do to protect
> their own blind children, but that is not a reason which motivates me to put
>
> my child at the slightest bit of enhanced risk in her own neighborhood.
>
> -RH
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:46 PM, Mary Donahue wrote:
>
>> Good evening again everyone,
>>
>> The sentiment against the use of anything that stigmatizes the blind
>> as incapable and unable to travel safely is very much alive and well in
>> this
>> organization. This was strongly evident in 1987 when we picketed the
>> Lighthouse of the Palm Beaches in West Palm Beach Florida during the NAC
>> demonstration. That year NAC met in Fort Lauderdale. In addition to
>> picketing the NAC meetings themselves we would picket NAC-accredited
>> agencies for the blind in the area. Since the Lighthouse of the Palm
>> beaches
>> operated a sheltered workshop and regularly paid its blind workers less
>> than
>> the Federal minimum wage and was accredited by NAC they were a target for
>> one of our protests that year.
>>
>> Both of us walked the picket line that year. It was quickly
>> discovered that in addition to the audio pedestrian signal at the
>> intersection near the lighthouse there were several "Blind Pedestrian"
>> signs
>> throughout the area. Whenever the APS which was a bell sounded we chanted
>> "When the blind are taught well we don't need a bell!" we let out boos
>> that
>> could be heard for miles around! Another chant that resounded through the
>> picket line was "Train the blind, get rid of the sign!" We know because
>> we
>> were there!
>>
>> This is further proof that anything that draws unnecessary attention
>> to our blindness is highly undesirable and in the long run creates more
>> problems than it solves.    Federationists from around the country
>> gathered
>> in Florida and in other locations to let our voices be heard. NAC
>> tracking
>> was fun. Both of us took part in several NAC demonstrations including the
>> one in Florida. Those words are still true today as they were back then.
>> "Train the blind, get rid of the sign!"
>>
>> Peter and Mary Donahue
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
>> Donahue
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:41 PM
>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Signs for Susan
>>
>> Good evening everyone,
>>
>>    I heard that we never could get a resolution passed concerning
>> dining-in-the-dark, but one was successfully passed last summer in
>> Dallas.
>> The convention ultimately decides which resolutions are adopted and which
>> will not. We have taken stands on other types of programs and behaviors
>> that
>> stigmatize blind people and have adopted resolutions concerning many of
>> them. Perhaps it's time that a position concerning the use of "Blind
>> Child/Pedestrian" signs is brought to the convention for consideration.
>> All
>> the best.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)"
>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Signs for Susan
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> As my (hopefully) last post on this topic, I would just like to make
>> the observation that all the former blind children on this list who
>> chose to comment expressed opposition to putting up "blind child"
>> signs as opposed to "child at play" signs. That is, all the blind
>> adults on this list who have personal experience growing up blind
>> oppose use of the signs. (Albert, since you said you have only been
>> blind for seven years, I am assuming that you lost your sight in
>> adulthood-correct me if I am wrong). I think this sentiment among
>> former blind children is something worth considering if you find
>> yourself grappling with this decision. We can argue about whether or
>> not the signs confer benefit to a blind child or if they actually
>> address risks blind children experience that sighted children do not
>> experience. But we also need to keep in mind that the potential stigma
>> and self-esteem threat posed by a blind-child sign is a real problem
>> that former blind children have picked up on. As former blind children
>> we know what it is like to be told, directly or indirectly, that
>> blindness is an inferior condition of being, or to be labeled as
>> different in the eyes of others. A sign is a label saying that someone
>> is blind and therefore deserving of special treatment. Perhaps this is
>> justified in certain situations, perhaps not, but either way it is
>> stigmatizing and threatening to one's sense of positive identity. I
>> know you want to keep your children safe, but I also think you want to
>> raise children who are ultimately comfortable with themselves and OK
>> with their blindness. I think it's important to keep both of those
>> things in mind when deciding whether or not to get a sign or to do any
>> number of things that call special attention to a blind child. While I
>> don't personally support an NFB resolution to oppose signs and am
>> confident such a resolution would not pass, I do think that former
>> blind children need to be consulted when evaluating these kinds of
>> accommodations. I think that is one of the great things about NOPBC.
>> Similarly, I think that people in the deaf community, and especially
>> those who were once deaf children, are the best ones to comment on the
>> benefits and risks of "deaf child" signs. I'm glad this topic was
>> brought up as, to be honest, I didn't even know such signs existed
>> before we began this discussion.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 2/26/13, Rene Harrell <rjharrell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> I think you did an excellent job of outlining risks and concerns. :) I
>>> simply struggle with understanding how it translates in the practical
>>> reality of a sign. Unless your child is carrying a cane, her disability
>>> is
>>> INVISIBLE to the drivers coming down the road. They have no way to
>>> discern
>>> if your child is the Blind one that the sign refers to, or whether or
>>> not
>>> to treat every child walking down the road as if they might be the blind
>>> one. All they know is that there might be a blind child in the area but
>>> without a way of identifying a blind child, there is no way for them to
>>> see
>>> a 10 year old walking down the street and prepare themselves for the
>>> chance
>>> they might veer off into the road unexpectedly. As a driver then, I am
>>> not
>>> looking at your 10 year old and being any more careful about them than I
>>> would for any other ten year old, even with the "Blind Child" sign.
>>>
>>> If your child is carrying a cane, then I don't need a Blind Child sign
>>> to
>>> recognize that your child is blind and to be extra vigilant about her
>>> crossing the road. Everywhere Clare goes with her cane, and when we are
>>> crossing roads, when drivers see that she is carrying a cane they assume
>>> the responsibility of being more aware of themselves and their driving.
>>> Most of them probably have no idea that white cane laws exist. This is
>>> how
>>> we safely navigate areas with no such sign in sight.
>>>
>>> Same thing with "deaf child" and "autistic child" signs. When there is
>>> no
>>> way to actually differentiate the child who is the reason for the sign,
>>> you
>>> have no way discernible way to know for whom to be vigilant *for*. The
>>> sign
>>> then actually provides no benefit if you can't figure out *who* it is
>>> that
>>> is requiring this caution. If I see a 10 year old walking by the "deaf
>>> child sign" but he doesn't "appear" deaf to me, then I am not going to
>>> presume he's deaf.
>>>
>>> I am not meaning to insult any one for choosing to use such a sign, and
>>> I
>>> don't think any one needs to feel guilty, shamed, or browbeaten for
>>> choosing to something they believe protects their child's safety,  nor
>>> needs to apologize for it. That was in no way the intent of my original
>>> post on this topic, and I apologize if my words came across in that
>>> manner.
>>> When determining this for ourselves, I ultimately concluded that people
>>> may
>>> not be able to identify my blind child if she were outside without her
>>> cane, but people CAN readily identify children. As I happen to have six
>>> young children, it is far more practical that people know to keep aware
>>> for
>>> little ones in general than my blind child in specific, and with her
>>> cane
>>> she would require no extra explanation that she is blind. Therefore,
>>> when
>>> the town wanted to put up a "BLIND CHILD" sign we declined, but my when
>>> across the street neighbor told me that he shifted a couple of signs he
>>> put
>>> up around my next door neighbor's house back when they had four small
>>> kids
>>> so that they encompassed my house, I smiled and said "thank you". As it
>>> is,
>>> we live on the corner of a half-forgotten street that dead ends into an
>>> even smaller and more forgotten street with only four additional houses.
>>> The road is so narrow that only one car can be on it at a time and if
>>> there
>>> are two cars going in opposite directions, one needs to pull off in a
>>> neighbor's yard for the other one to pass by. We have a couple of
>>> teenagers
>>> in the back who like to hot-rod their way down the road and have friends
>>> who like to do the same, but they know us personally because the
>>> neighborhood is incredibly small, and they keep a watchful eye for my
>>> kids
>>> in our yard. I think in reality, even the "Children at Play" sign does
>>> nothing practical, but as they were already there, I saw no harm in
>>> keeping
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Rene--- mom to six amazing kids, including Miss Clare age 11 (ROP) and
>>> Seraphina, 8 months (ONH)
>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Albert J Rizzi
>>> <albert at myblindspot.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amen and testify Richard. Great post.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Richard
>>>> Holloway
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:05 PM
>>>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Signs for Susan
>>>>
>>>> Steve, I appreciate your question. I'm happy to discuss these matters.
>>>>
>>>> Purely from a driver's standpoint, I expect different reactions from
>>>> different situations in a driving environment. In that specific
>>>> example,
>>>> certainly, if the kids were going to be playing, particularly in a
>>>> location
>>>> where there were limited range of vision for a driver, either sign
>>>> would
>>>> be
>>>> appropriate and helpful. In that specific case, kids are indeed
>>>> playing.
>>>> If,
>>>> as a driver, you're in an alert status, looking for either "kids at
>>>> play",
>>>> or a "blind child" you'll probably react safely, so in that case I
>>>> suggest
>>>> either sign might be helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Now, put a blind child near the street in a yard or on a sidewalk. I
>>>> might
>>>> actually expect ANY two-year-old to dart in any direction virtually
>>>> randomly, so I would slow down, especially if I didn't see an adult
>>>> holding
>>>> such a child's hand. But make the child a bit older. 5 or 6 perhaps. A
>>>> kid
>>>> that age, I believe, would be less likely to jump out in traffic. By
>>>> that
>>>> age, I more expect kids to be chasing balls without looking, but
>>>> otherwise
>>>> reasonably attentive. Blind kids at that age, or at least my blind
>>>> daughter
>>>> was probably MORE likely to bolt into the street than at a more docile
>>>> age
>>>> 2
>>>> or 3. By 6 or 7, she was much more driven to abrupt movement, yet not
>>>> at
>>>> all
>>>> clear about the concept of cars coming down the street.
>>>>
>>>> Now as a 4th grader, my daughter is perhaps slightly less likely to do
>>>> something abrupt than at age 6, but still FAR more likely than her
>>>> sighted
>>>> peers to walk arbitrarily into the street if she looses her bearings.
>>>> This
>>>> sort of situation is NOT what "child at play" brings to mind.
>>>>
>>>> When driving, if I see a 10 or 12-year-old walking in a straight line
>>>> across
>>>> the street, I would not anticipate the child making a sharp turn or
>>>> reversal. Most sighted kids I know don't generally do that. My blind
>>>> 10-year-old daughter certainly might. Again, from a car driver's
>>>> perspective, my daughter's behavior is not what is typical from a child
>>>> her
>>>> age. A confused driver is, in my opinion, a good deal more likely do do
>>>> something dangerous in that sort of situation. I think knowing she's
>>>> blind,
>>>> might keep her safer from that driver, if only slightly so.
>>>>
>>>> Most important to me, again, as a driver, I often make eye contact or
>>>> exchange gestures with people on the road. I don't know how universal
>>>> that
>>>> is. Maybe it is a regional thing. Down south, we wave to say "thanks"
>>>> when
>>>> a
>>>> driver lets us merge in front of them, and in fact failing to wave is
>>>> often
>>>> taken as an insult. We wave people-- both kids and adults, across the
>>>> street
>>>> all the time, or the pedestrian may wave off the driver. The exchange
>>>> is
>>>> a
>>>> very visual business. I slow down sometimes and wait for eye contact to
>>>> feel
>>>> as sure as I can that I'm aware of a pedestrian's intention. Well if
>>>> you
>>>> "make eye contact with my daughter" what you inferred isn't going to be
>>>> very
>>>> accurate. I can just imagine the later discussion-- "I saw her, she
>>>> looked
>>>> right AT me, then she walked right in front of my car!!! I had no idea
>>>> she
>>>> couldn't see me! I'm so sorry!!!" I feel ill at just the notion. That's
>>>> what
>>>> I want to avoid with such signs. "Child at Play" is no help there.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, in my situation here, I think that if we were not on
>>>> SUCH
>>>> a
>>>> quiet street, I would have already requested signs to protect my
>>>> daughter
>>>> and minimize potential driver frustration, however, our street is
>>>> really
>>>> VERY quiet, and we watch our daughter very carefully.
>>>>
>>>> With that said, she's old enough that at some point, I'm going to have
>>>> to
>>>> give her a little more freedom near the road. If I decide she's not
>>>> 100%
>>>> safe, I reserve the right to request such a sign. I don't want a lot of
>>>> flack if I do so.
>>>>
>>>> As I think I mentioned before, I feel like a deaf child could easily
>>>> react
>>>> differently as well. If the parents of a deaf child are worried the
>>>> child
>>>> won't hear certain sounds and it puts them at increased risk, from a
>>>> driver's standpoint, I like to know that someone won't react to the
>>>> warning
>>>> of a horn, for example. In that case, I'd prefer a "deaf child" sign.
>>>> The
>>>> information is more specific; more useful to keep the child safe.
>>>>
>>>> The differences are subtle, but important. I think this is a personal
>>>> choice
>>>> for each parent, and it really concerns me that pressure of any kind is
>>>> being exerted by others to avoid somehow casting aspersions on the
>>>> blind
>>>> population by requesting these signs.
>>>>
>>>> With that said, I also think this is a personal choice for a blind
>>>> adult
>>>> as
>>>> well-- a choice the adult makes for himself, mind you. I think what
>>>> happened
>>>> in Colorado was really inappropriate, because others were deciding this
>>>> for
>>>> the blind travelers. That doesn't mean if some adults feel safer with
>>>> these
>>>> signs in place that they should be prevented because it reflects poorly
>>>> on
>>>> those who don't want the signs. If others disagree, but I feel it is
>>>> pest
>>>> to
>>>> err to the side of caution.
>>>>
>>>> The social connection you mention is great. If added safety, no matter
>>>> how
>>>> little it may be, from the sign helps some parents feel slightly more
>>>> comfortable letting kids have a little more freedom to play or
>>>> otherwise
>>>> go
>>>> about their business, that does indeed increase the chance for these
>>>> very
>>>> important connections.
>>>>
>>>> I will add one thing more as well. After giving this a lot of thought,
>>>> I
>>>> think such signs do one thing more. After more than 10 years of
>>>> observing
>>>> and watching reactions to the "what are you doing letting your blind
>>>> child
>>>> go and do dangerous things like that" mentality-- crazy things like
>>>> riding
>>>> a
>>>> bike, jumping into a pool without a sighted helper holding onto her,
>>>> playing
>>>> in and around trampolines, running across the yard, going to gymnastics
>>>> classes or yoga classes... maybe some of us like the idea of telling
>>>> others
>>>> that our kids may be out there and we know it, and they have every
>>>> right
>>>> to
>>>> be there, yet we'd appreciate it if they'd be just a little bit extra
>>>> careful in case their behavior or reaction to a passing car is a little
>>>> different. I'm not inviting a great debate on this matter, and the last
>>>> part
>>>> (this paragraph) is just a thought that recently occurred to me, but I
>>>> think
>>>> maybe there is a touch of truth in that for some of us as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Steve Jacobson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Richard,
>>>>>
>>>>> While you and I seem to disagree on this, I would truly like to
>>>>> understand your position better.  Are you really saying that the
>>>>> two-year-old sighted kids that are racing with her child are totally
>>>>> responsible and in need of no protection?  If there is no separation
>>>>> between the street and where these kids are playing, I do not see how
>>>>> a blind child is going to be at a greater risk, there is some risk for
>>>>> all of them and a warning that there are children at play is probably
>>>> appropriate.  Connecting her ability to get a sign with the child's
>>>> opportunity to play with other kids completely baffles me.  .  The
>>>> solution
>>>> isn't in the sign, it is in making the social connections, and I, too,
>>>> am
>>>> glad to see that Susan's child, certainly with her help, made those
>>>> connections, but I truly do not see that a sign is necessary to make
>>>> that
>>>> possible.  Have I misunderstood your note?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:09:07 -0500, Richard Holloway wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Susan,
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't see anything wrong with requesting such a sign for your child
>>>>>> at that age, or at any age where you, the parent, feel it
>>>>> is appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You did a good thing. More parents should find solutions to get their
>>>>>> kids, be they sighted or blind, out and playing in
>>>>> situations like that!
>>>>>
>>>>>> (How I wish they'd had jeeps like that when I was a kid!!!)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 8:39 PM, SUSAN POLANSKY wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> We moved on to a dead end court when our son was 2. We asked our
>>>>>>> town for a sign at the entrance to the street. I feel it was
>>>>> totally appropriate to have a sign when our little one was out playing
>>>>> with the other kids and basically drag racing the other little ones in
>>>>> his toddler jeep. Would we not have asked for a sign if he had been
>>>>> older. Each parent needs to look at their child and their neighborhood
>>>> and
>>>> make their own decision. I think this subject has been beaten to death.
>>>> No
>>>> more "to sign or not to sign"  emails for me, any more will be deleted
>>>> without opening.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Susan T. Polansky
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Bernadette Jacobs <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
>>>>>>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:11 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] To Sign or not To Sign
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am a very strong opponent of blind, deaf, Autism, or any other
>>>>>>> signage.  None of us needs to be put on that kind of display!  Only
>>>>>>> thing this says to me is, "Walking Target!" Target!" Walking Target.
>>>>>>> When I had my hysterectomy at an inner city hospital here, when I
>>>>>>> came out of surgery and into my room, my husband mentioned to me
>>>>>>> that there was a sign on my door, "Blind Patient!"  If I wasn't sick
>>>>>>> enough from just having had surgery, I sure was sickened then.  So,
>>>>>>> my husband tore down the first sign.  Bright and early next morning
>>>>>>> when he came in vack in to visit me, another signed had replaced the
>>>>>>> first one.  He went out to find that nurse.  Before long, suddenly I
>>>>>>> heard the nurse arguing with my husband.  I forced myself up out of
>>>>>>> bed, grabbed my cane and began walking down the hall, holding onto
>>>>>>> the rails for dear life and simply excused myself quietly and then
>>>>>>> proceeded to waste no bones about how that woman oughtta do
>>>>>>> something real quick.  After all, who was her bread and butta???  I
>>>>>>> had insurance.  I didn't feel guilty in the least.  She turned on me
>>>>>>> and I simply went back to my room; called my doctor at his home; and
>>>>>>> Hmmm!  For some strange reason I never heard from or saw that woman
>>>>>>> again and the sign soon disappeared.  Then when someone called weeks
>>>>>>> after I had been released from the hospital to ask me about how I
>>>>>>> felt about my hospital experience, I really laid it on thick that to
>>>>>>> post blind signs, or any other Special Needs' sign, would only serve
>>>>>>> to identify those individuals as vulnerable walking targets and no
>>>>>>> matter what the intent, it was truly a bad idea.  After all, Seems I
>>>>>>> actually remember Dr. Jernigan saying once, that "The road to Hell
>>>>>>> is paved with good intentions."  I'm sure I need not say more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bernie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/22/13, Carly B <barnesraiser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Merry-Noel,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've thought about this, too. There are a couple of signs on
>>>>>>>> streets near our own. We have not pursued trying to get a sign for
>>>>>>>> our neighborhood. I haven't really thought that through, I think
>>>>>>>> it's just a gut feeling that I don't want to put more of a
>>>>>>>> spotlight
>>>> on
>>>> my child than there already is.
>>>>>>>> Know what I mean? I'm not really sure the benefits of having a
>>>>>>>> sign...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for bringing it up. I look forward to hearing what others
>>>> think!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :) Carolynn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Merry-Noel Chamberlain
>>>>>>>> <owinm at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>>>>> My daughter, Ashleah, is working on a girl scout project and would
>>>>>>>>> like to know your thoughts about the "Special Needs" sign.  She is
>>>>>>>>> blind and walks to and from school independently.  Do you think
>>>>>>>>> having a Special Needs sign by our house is a good thing?  Why or
>>>>>>>>> why not?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>> Merry-Noel
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