[blindkid] FW: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND RALLY THISSATURDAY

Marianne Denning marianne at denningweb.com
Thu Oct 10 21:01:51 UTC 2013 

As a blind adult, there are times when I decide that using sighted
guide is a better option than a cane or my dog.  Each has its place
and should be part of the mobility toolbox.  Teaching students when to
use each choice is the challenge.

On 10/10/13, Julie Yanez <jyanez112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> There are many valid points on both ends. From independent blind adults,
> and parents of blind children. These children are still learning the basic
> cane skills that will be required as adults.
> But when you take a learning child to a Zoo like Disneyland, you want them
> to enjoy it, not be overwhelmed. As they get older and learn the needed
> skills, they may not want or need any accommodations. A child is not the
> one asking guest services for the pass. So as parents, we need to advocate
> when it's needed, not when it's convenient.
> On Oct 10, 2013 1:38 PM, "Penny Duffy" <pennyduffy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wanted to follow up and say question any accommodation.. Some make a a
>> blind person more independent like needing things in accessible format.
>> While others should simply be questioned. Why does my child need this
>> accommodation?  Are they lacking some skill? Where do I go to get this
>> skill. Or is an accommodation that looks like a huge bonus (that really
>> isn't needed)  that  in the ends perpetuates that blind people are
>> incapable.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I come to the conclusion that everyone needs to judge for themselves
>> > what
>> > their comfortable with and when a business decides to do an
>> > accommodation
>> > its really a judgement call if its an appropriate thing for their child
>> or
>> > not.   'Our' kids are all very different. Some have serious sensory
>> issues
>> > that the waiting in line can be overwhelming.  Its also important to
>> > know
>> > when you are posting on a NFB list it should be a surprise your getting
>> > these responses. The NFB philosophy makes our kids strong more
>> independent
>> > and more respected.  Remember the NFB has had to fight to allow blind
>> > riders on some attractions since they were denied entry due to safety.
>> >  When we cry something is not safe for our children people feel our
>> > children are not capable of doing the simpliest things even shocking
>> > getting dressed or eating.
>> >
>> > The thing is the new plan by Disney addresses the whole staying in line
>> > thing by asking the patron to simply return at an assigned time to get
>> > right on. Kids will not be put in the fast pass line.  I feel the
>> > people
>> > this new policy has a the potential to hurt are those that are
>> > medically
>> > fragile and they simply can not stay in heat very long.  Its not about
>> > lines since the new policy doesn't make people with the new pass wait
>> > in
>> > lines just ask them to return at an assigned time, This makes sure that
>> the
>> > patrons with the pass are not getting an advantages to going on a
>> > popular
>> > time say 20x times when most people can only go on 2 to 4 times in a
>> > day.
>> >  No one can say that is fair.   Now i know many people feel the new
>> > plan
>> > isn't appropriate  for their children
>> >
>> >  I just thinks its wonderful that Disney is trying to be family
>> > friendly
>> > to all kinds of different times of families.
>> >
>> > Now I am going to change the topic a bit about getting similar type of
>> > accommodations for blind children. This is something I think about
>> > often.
>> >  I am going to bring up the parking placard/plate issue. I think its
>> always
>> > important to ask the questions WHY with such things.  i revisit issue
>> > at
>> > different times and have different conclusions.   I am going to admit
>> > having a disabled parking permit placard.  I have for two reasons. 1.
>> > Due
>> > to my child's developing cane travel skills parking in odd unsafe spot
>> make
>> > my daughter more dependent on me than parking in a disabled parking
>> > spot.
>> > This became an issues a few years ago when my daughter's school was
>> > constructing a new school on the site.   It wasn't safe for her to park
>> at
>> > any of the other half hazard spots.  I wanted people to her get out of
>> the
>> > car independently and get herself into school not needing the
>> > assistance
>> of
>> > her parents.
>> >
>> > 2.  The city we live in offers free parking for those with a handicap
>> > placard (and other cities in the area are the same) I think the policy
>> > is
>> > odd  but its the policy.  Using the placard for parking has allowed my
>> > daughter to have more experiences.
>> >
>> > i have only use the placard when safety is an issue or it promotes my
>> > daughters independence. (or using that odd ball parking discount)  Yes
>> you
>> > can tell I still have some very strong mix feelings about this lol.
>> >
>> > -Penny
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Dr. Denise M Robinson <
>> > deniserob at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Amen Debbie and others who resonant these ideas...yes, this is a fine
>> >> line.
>> >> I always tell my students that when they ask for those exceptions to
>> >> the
>> >> rule...they are asking to be thought of as weak or pitied--even worse
>> and
>> >> when the big opportunity comes along...they will not be asked to do it
>> >> because they have gotten out of so many things before. No one has any
>> idea
>> >> of what they are truly capable of.
>> >>
>> >> Be very careful with asking for those exceptions to the general
>> rule---if
>> >> you bypass people in line, get out of homework, have less work, have
>> that
>> >> get of free jail card because of blindness, etc....do you think others
>> >> will
>> >> be a bit angry with you...pity you? Would kids or others want you to
>> join
>> >> with them socially?
>> >>
>> >> What do you want to exemplify in life? How do you want others to
>> perceive
>> >> you? Questions we all must ask ourselves whether sighted or blind.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Deborah Kent Stein
>> >> <dkent5817 at att.net
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I share your concern.  We work very hard to break down barriers and
>> win
>> >> > equal opportunities for blind people in society.  Part of equality
>> >> > is
>> >> > sharing the same responsibilities as everyone else.  I feel it is
>> >> important
>> >> > to teach our blind kids that they are perfectly capable of dealing
>> with
>> >> the
>> >> > inconveniences and annoyances of life that everyone else is subject
>> to.
>> >> > That includes doing homework, cleaning up messes, and standing in
>> >> > line
>> >> even
>> >> > when the line is long and you're getting bored.
>> >> >
>> >> > Debbie
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Fass" <jillfass at gmail.com>
>> >> > To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)" <
>> >> > blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:19 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [blindkid] FW: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND
>> >> > RALLY
>> >> > THISSATURDAY
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >  Why can't a blind child stand in line? They have help. I can see it
>> if
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> are by themselves. But if you have someone with you why cant they
>> >> stand in
>> >> >> line. If they have other issues that is different, but just being
>> blind
>> >> >> should not be a way to avoid lines??
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Brandy W., with Discovery Toys <
>> >> >> ballstobooks at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  Starting yesterday they have taken this away and now no one will
>> >> >> get
>> >> >>> this.
>> >> >>> You will have to use a kind of fast pass program whare you have to
>> >> get a
>> >> >>> time and come back thus making more walking for those can't, more
>> >> >>> navagating
>> >> >>> for blind people who are still developing skills etc. If it were
>> >> >>> the
>> >> way
>> >> >>> it
>> >> >>> used to be all would be fine as it was when I visited. Children
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> sensory
>> >> >>> conditions have been included since the early 90s, and all of this
>> is
>> >> >>> going
>> >> >>> away!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces@**nfbnet.org<
>> >> blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>> >> >>> On Behalf Of Marianne
>> >> >>> Denning
>> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:53 AM
>> >> >>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] FW: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND
>> RALLY
>> >> >>> THIS
>> >> >>> SATURDAY
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The last time I went to Disney I could walk up and get on rides
>> >> >>> due
>> >> to my
>> >> >>> visual impairment.  This has been available to people with
>> >> disabilities
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> many years.  This group is trying to expand it to include children
>> >> with
>> >> >>> sensory integration issues.  I hope they are successful.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 10/10/13, Brandy W., with Discovery Toys
>> >> >>> <ballstobooks at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > While I understand that blindness alone doesn't need a special
>> pass
>> >> at
>> >> >>> > Disney many of our children have other disabilities that do make
>> the
>> >> >>> > pass make their trip a special and equal experience. Please if
>> >> >>> > you
>> >> >>> > have children who will be effected by this pass please write to
>> the
>> >> >>> > information in this email.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Thanks,
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Bran
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > From: sensoryintegrationgroup@**yahoogroups.com<
>> >> sensoryintegrationgroup at yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >>> > [mailto:sensoryintegrationgrou**p at yahoogroups.com<
>> >> sensoryintegrationgroup at yahoogroups.com>]
>> >> >>> On Behalf Of
>> >> >>> > girllofgod at yahoo.com
>> >> >>> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:45 AM
>> >> >>> > To: sensoryintegrationgroup@**yahoogroups.com<
>> >> sensoryintegrationgroup at yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >>> > Subject: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND RALLY THIS SATURDAY
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > We are putting a rally together at Disneyland on Saturday. We
>> >> >>> > need
>> >> as
>> >> >>> > many supporters as possible. We are going have a few leaders in
>> >> >>> > different locations like possibly the 7/11 location again and
>> >> Downtown
>> >> >>> > Disney and somewhere else. Please message me if you want to
>> >> >>> > participate and please, please spread the word. Time T.B.A.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I believe all entertainment venues are watching this and are
>> >> >>> > children's freedom is in jeopardy. For those of you who cannot
>> >> >>> > participate, we are asking to hold rally's at your local Disney
>> >> >>> > Stores. Please voice your concerns by calling the park and
>> >> >>> > sending
>> >> >>> > your letter and sharing your stories how the Disability Passes
>> need
>> >> to
>> >> >>> > be made available for any person with Special Needs.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Here is the information to let your voices be heard. Feel to
>> >> >>> > flood
>> >> >>> > their Facebook page under the recommendations section as well.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > CALL (714) 781-4636. Select the option to speak to a cast member
>> >> about
>> >> >>> > general questions. Once you get a live person on the other end,
>> ask
>> >> to
>> >> >>> > be transferred to "Guest Relations In the Park." This is some
>> >> >>> > kind
>> >> of
>> >> >>> > code for them. But also ask for them to stay on the line while
>> >> >>> > you
>> >> are
>> >> >>> > being transferred to make sure it goes through. You should then
>> >> >>> > be
>> >> >>> > talking to someone else who will know a lot more about the
>> proposed
>> >> >>> > discontinuation of the guest services program than the initial
>> >> people
>> >> >>> > you
>> >> >>> reach will.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > For those people with annual passes, I tried to call the number
>> for
>> >> >>> > help with that, (714) 781-7277, but ended up back at the same
>> voice
>> >> >>> > menu you get when you call the general number.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > MAIL YOUR LETTERS WITH YOUR PERSONAL STORIES TO
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Mailing Address:
>> >> >>> > Disneyland Resort
>> >> >>> > P.O. Box 3232
>> >> >>> > Anaheim, CA 92802-3232
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > AND
>> >> >>> > CC:
>> >> >>> > Robert A. Iger
>> >> >>> > Chief Executive Officer
>> >> >>> > The Walt Disney Company
>> >> >>> > 500 South Buena Vista Street
>> >> >>> > Burbank, CA 91521-4873
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > AND
>> >> >>> > cc:Thomas O. Staggs
>> >> >>> > Chairman
>> >> >>> > Walt Disney Parks & Resorts
>> >> >>> > 500 South Buena Vista Street
>> >> >>> > Burbank, CA 91521-4873
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Nancy
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
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