[blindkid] Subject: Original Sin

Bill Dengler codeofdusk at gmail.com
Sat Jul 22 13:39:31 UTC 2017


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> On Jul 22, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Penny Duffy via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am thinking this was posted in error as it's not on topic.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017, 9:05 AM Bob Evans via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello, thank you for your response. I just would like to append
>> further assertions. Based on your stark reluctance to tackle any of my
>> theological challenges, it is considered an implicit defeatism for
>> your camp. Protestants are not more than mere servants to Zionism. And
>> as for your Christology devotion, it is considerably undistinguished.
>> Your endorsement to the apartheid Zionist state is intrinsically
>> inalienable. Thence, our duty is to incessantly engage with you in
>> relentless combat missions until your party is perfectly discomfited.
>> Your ministry doesn’t base its tenets on nothing but an oblique hope
>> of a theoretical scheme of salvation. The assumption that someone
>> could have died for your sin is substantially Laputan and
>> consequently, it is unlikely to be rectifiable. In Trump’s damnable
>> era, your state of dismay has just started. Americanisation is quite
>> fragile and its global leadership is about to diminish. Your oval
>> office is  rotten to the core. Jews have constantly been dominating
>> your denomination since Martin Luther era and even earlier to that
>> time. There are many Muslims whom I knew have abandoned Islam to
>> Christianity. Nevertheless, I never fathomed the relationship between
>> becoming Christian, residing in the States and endorsing Zionists. I
>> wish you have got sufficient courage to tackle this challenge in the
>> slightest. I urge you to ponder properly on what I proposed. If you
>> ever perceived the demand to clarify what might be vague to you,
>> kindly, keep me notified. Best wishes, Bob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/21/17, Marty Purvis <wuas at wake-up.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Mostafa:
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your email.
>>> 
>>> Our views on religious matters are very far apart.
>>> So far, that further discussion would most likely be fruitless.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Larry Wilson
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Contact Page Message <
>>> postmaster at wake-up.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> From: Mostafa, technically Bob <ebob824 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Original Sin
>>>> 
>>>> Visitor's Message:
>>>> Hello. I am Mostafa Almahdy. Bob Evans is just a technical name. I used
>>>> to
>>>> be called so when I worked at an American call centre here in Cairo. So,
>>>> it
>>>> is still my name. In the subsequent segment, I’ll present the Christian
>>>> narrative of Original Sin in addition to posing crucial queries and
>>>> denotative rebuttals. What is Original Sin in Christianity? It is a sin
>>>> said to be inherited by all descendants of Adam. When Adam and Eve
>>>> sinned,
>>>> death entered to the world. Thence, God demanded to be paid to redeem
>>>> humanity. He then sacrificed his only begotten son to ransom us. This
>>>> account may ostensibly seem to be reasonable. Be that as it may, it
>>>> contains major defects. First of which, it portrays the divine with
>>>> imperfection. It doesn’t recognise his omnipotence. Why? Because
>>>> according
>>>> to this theology, he demanded to be paid in order to redeem. At its
>>>> inception, I have couple of questions for clergy. First, has Adam been
>>>> destined to be eternal in Eden? Second, when he committed his ever first
>>>> sin, why hasn’t he been given one chance to repent? Third, when Adam ate
>>>> from the tree of knowing good and evil, he became like God according to
>>>> Genesis. A question here, has he been punished because he became aware
>> of
>>>> good and evil? It is assumed that he didn’t know good and evil until he
>>>> ate
>>>> from the tree of knowing good and evil. So, how could God punish an
>>>> innocent? And as for sin inheritance, if a man and a woman committed
>>>> adultery, could we possibly hold their child accountable for what they
>>>> have
>>>> done? This is the precise logic exploited in Christian concept of
>>>> Original
>>>> Sin. And as for redemption and forfeiture, if God was paid to redeem,
>> how
>>>> could he still forgive? If I supposedly wounded someone, does he has the
>>>> right to retaliate? Yes, he certainly does. And, if he wanted to forgive
>>>> me, could he still retaliate? No, he surely couldn’t. It’s either
>>>> forgiveness or retaliation, it couldn’t be both. And as for Christ, how
>>>> could an innocent bear the guilty’s iniquity? According to traditional
>>>> Christian theology, death entered to the world when Adam and Eve sinned.
>>>> Therefore, someone had to die for this. He had to be impeccant and, he
>>>> had
>>>> to die forever. Christians preach that Jesus is the one who paid for
>>>> this.
>>>> The question is, did he die forever? According to Christian story, he
>>>> died
>>>> for three days. Well actually, he died for less than that if you think
>> of
>>>> it a bit. Jesus’s date of Crucifixion and resurrection differs from
>>>> gospel
>>>> to another. Please, don’t take my word for this. I urge you to just
>> check
>>>> John nineteen and Mark fifteen. Most Christians today believe that Jesus
>>>> died on a Friday afternoon and risen on a fine Easter Sunday morning. As
>>>> for Adventists, they do not believe in this. They even have their
>> Sabbath
>>>> held on Saturday. Christian innovation of Original Sin is remarkably
>>>> exposed. I urge southern laity and their associates to genuinely ponder
>>>> on
>>>> the scenario encountered in Christian theology. If Adam sinned and we
>>>> were
>>>> contagiously destined to be anathematised eternally, why didn’t Jesus
>> die
>>>> forever then? I believe that my points are critical and thus, they
>>>> deserve
>>>> thorough attention. It is a bit odd to just rely on the thought that
>>>> someone theoretically died for my sins and then, go do whatever I want.
>>>> We
>>>> bear witness western Christians who basically don’t care about what they
>>>> do. They eat explicitly prohibited cattle, they vastly consume alcoholic
>>>> beverages and they carelessly engage in illicit wedlock. Where is your
>>>> devotional consignment? Religious life is the last thing a lay western
>>>> Christian wants to think of. I respectfully ask you to ponder on your
>>>> religious responsibility. As a Muslim, what prevents me from having a
>>>> girlfriend? Well, nothing but my religion which holds me fully
>>>> accountable
>>>> for either righteous or vicious deeds. Why Christian tradition is so
>>>> tolerant with the culture of boyfriend and girlfriend illicit
>>>> relationships? As you can see, despite the concept’s fraudulently
>>>> emotional
>>>> prettification, it is besieged with numerously irreconcilable
>>>> discrepancies. This is the primary tenet upon which your whole faith is
>>>> based, this is indeed the backbone of Christianity. If someone disagrees
>>>> with this statement,  well, tell me then, how could the account of
>>>> Crucifixion and Redemption be presented without basing it on the
>>>> Christian
>>>> concept of Original Sin? I seriously attempt to fathom. I do not intend
>>>> to
>>>> deride or ridicule. I am totally convinced that Christians have absolute
>>>> right to broadly proselytize, to keenly call for their faith. Yes, they
>>>> have the right to do so on one condition. I urge them to refrain from
>>>> using
>>>> fallacious rhetoric in their dialog. It just makes their stance quite
>>>> attenuated and thus, susceptible  to easily crumble under critical
>>>> scrutiny. I am prepared to be christened if someone convinced me with
>>>> plain
>>>> reasonableness that what you believe is the truth. I do not give credit
>>>> to
>>>> Christian portraiture of original sin. Now, if you want to convince
>>>> someone
>>>> to become Christian, you have got to explain this mystery to him. For
>>>> some
>>>> reason, it seems to be unexplainable to me. It looks like as if someone
>>>> worked it out or made it up. So basically, I feel it is quite perturbing
>>>> to  conjointly destine our whole human species to hell for no fault of
>>>> its
>>>> own. However, some pastors tend to baffle between holding the innocent
>>>> versus the guilty accountable, either instigants or actual actors.
>> Pastor
>>>> Jacob of Michigan believes that instigants are not to be held
>>>> accountable.
>>>> Who is an instigant?                      An instigant is someone who
>>>> deliberately foments trouble. So, if hateful pastors provoked mass
>> Muslim
>>>> offence that led to broad outrage, they are basically held accountable
>>>> for
>>>> any casualty or fatality rate. Similarly, if Muslim clerics caused hate
>>>> because of their radical speech, they are wholly held accountable for
>> any
>>>> erupted tension  in the community. So, statutorily, instigants are
>>>> equally
>>>> held accountable just as actual actors. So, if a girl who is absolutely
>>>> gorgeous wore a staggeringly provocative outfit to purposely beguile
>> men,
>>>> she is partly held accountable for the lust she consciously instigated.
>>>> It
>>>> seems that    fibbers and  chisellers are not willing to address the
>>>> subject of Original Sin fairly. They tend to breach with decisive facts.
>>>> Therefore, their theology is incessantly subjected to critical
>> criticism.
>>>> Some of them even asked me, whether we as Muslims are sure we are going
>>>> to
>>>> heaven. I wouldn’t ever assure I am going to heaven unless with
>>>> providential amnesty. I would say it is unjustified pride if I ever
>>>> thought I am absolutely going to heaven. It just contradicts with
>>>> enjoined
>>>> humility. Islam teaches us to be pious and to devote ourselves to doing
>>>> good deeds. I on multiple occasions attempted to establish a mutually
>>>> deferential dialog with southern pastors. Nevertheless, they failed to
>>>> comply to this. Their level of timidity did not match with my
>>>> expectations.
>>>> I tell them, if you ever wanted to learn about Islam, it is not an
>>>> encouraging motive to obliviously quote oriental literature. First off,
>>>> you
>>>> desperately demand to develop proper command of Arabic. Moreover, your
>>>> prejudicial notion doesn’t do more than substantiating your
>> unprecedented
>>>> nescience. If Original Sin wasn’t the fundamental belief of
>> Christianity,
>>>> it would have not been used to constitute its doctrinal tenets. I
>> civilly
>>>> postulate this theological conversation because I am quite interested in
>>>> comparative theology. For each faith, there are fundamental tenets. I
>>>> challengingly assert that without Original Sin, Christianity would have
>>>> not
>>>> ever existed. For emotional motives, the idea that someone died in the
>>>> cause of your salvation is quite appealing. However, as we saw, it has
>>>> many
>>>> defects if it is to be illustrated in moderately rational disposal. I
>>>> await
>>>> to hear pastoral response. But please, we do not need to either
>>>> equivocate
>>>> nor unconscionably philosophise the matter. It rather has to be
>>>> simplified
>>>> in a rationally straightforward manner. Beating around the bush has
>>>> intemperately fell at the first hurdle. Thank you for reading, Mostafa,
>>>> technically Bob Evans.
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>>> Seminars
>>>> (https://www.wake-up.org/contact-us/)
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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