[blindlaw] Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008

Tue Jan 6 11:31:29 UTC 2009

I have studied martial arts to some extent.  I do not have anything like 
Mark Burning Hawk's skills.  That being said, I can tell you there is 
nothing necessarily "mystical" about them.  I would love to find out where I 
could learn to use information I could get from practicing such activities 
to replace a white cane but would need some convincing.

Mike Hanson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: 
[blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008

> hi,
>
> come on bud, you really expect blind people to walk down the street or 
> through a shopping mall shouting 'blind guy coming thru"?
> lay off the peace pipe!
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: 
> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>
>
>> Interesting; at bottom line, blind people are required to warn the public 
>> of their presence.  Of course I know I'm being slightly stretchy here, 
>> but shouldn't the goal be to eliminate this need?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John " <joramsey at cox.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: 
>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>>
>>
>>> Chuck,
>>> Believe it or not, I have had several people fall over my cane because 
>>> they
>>> walk backward while chatting with friends and the like. I have no idea 
>>> what
>>> the liability would be if you were acting as the reasonable blind person
>>> would act. However,  I can almost guarantee you that if you were 
>>> practicing
>>> some form of martial arts  navigation you are going to be liable if 
>>> someone
>>> is injured because you walked into them and the like.
>>> Take care,
>>> John
>>>
>>> John A. Ramsey Jr., Esq.
>>>
>>> Gainesville, FL 32609
>>>
>>> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:56 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re:
>>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 
>>> 2008
>>>
>>>
>>> This is totally hypothetical but I have always wondered about the 
>>> potential
>>> liability if someone is injured when they trip and fall over my cane 
>>> when
>>> they are not paying attention. I realize its far-fetched but many law 
>>> suits
>>> are far-fetched.
>>> Chuck
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "KEITH VICK " <keith-vick at msn.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List " <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>; "Mark
>>> BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
>>> Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi List Members, I believe that New York has a statute that disallows
>>>> a
>>>> claim of negligence based on failure to use a cane. This may be the 
>>>> case
>>>> in other states. Also, as someone who has had the privilege of training 
>>>> in
>>>
>>>> aikido and brazilian jiu jitsu I find the concept of martial arts 
>>>> training
>>>
>>>> as a recognized adaptive method rather amusing and highly speculative.
>>>> However, I do admit that the training has helped me adjust to my
>>>> progressively worsening vision mostly because the arts trains one to 
>>>> deal
>>>> with unexpected movements against ones body - a rather common 
>>>> occurrence
>>>> in the subways of New York city. Warmest regards, Keith Vick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mark BurningHawk
>>>> Sent: 1/4/2009 11:26:01 PM
>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
>>>> Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>>>> I am not sure of a way in which a blind person using skills learned via 
>>>> a
>>>> certain type of training could injure another person.  I am a bit
>>>> disturbed
>>>> to hear that there's a different "reasonable standard," for persons and
>>>> blind persons, but other than that, I think my original question has 
>>>> been
>>>> answered, and I really didn't mean to stir up any controversy over
>>>> mobility
>>>> methods.
>>>>
>>>>
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