[blindlaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)

Ross Doerr rumpole at roadrunner.com
Tue Oct 30 17:07:54 UTC 2012 

Thank you Ronza. How does one find out about the jobs that are not posted so 
that the Schedule A initiative is maximized for applicants like us?
Speaking strictly for myself, I will do that simply to get a paycheck coming 
in, but I do confess that it frustrating to spend years in the past doing 
exactly that to get into litigation where I have a proven success record, 
only to have to drop back to the "get a foot in the door" type of job and 
then try to manuver myself internaly back into practicing law all over 
again.
That is frustrating. But thank you for the advice.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronza Othman" <rothmanjd at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)


> There isn't an easy answer to that question.  The federal government has
> people working on policy in a variety of series.  At Education, they might
> be Education Specialists or Management Analysts.  At DOT they might be
> Transportation Specialists or Infrastructure Specialists.  At HHS, they're
> Health Insurance Specialists or Healthcare Analysts.  There are also 
> policy
> jobs in each agency's office that handles regulatory affairs or FOIA
> offices, in the offices that handle legislation (often called Office of
> Legislation or Office of Congressional Affairs), in the offices of
> communication or public affairs, and on and on.  I'd suggest if you're
> interested in a particular agency, you take a look at their organizational
> chart from their website and see where you want to go based on your 
> personal
> interests.  Alternatively, go to USAJobs.gov and search for a particular
> agency and see what's posted.  Remember, you can apply using Schedule A 
> for
> positions that have been posted, even if they're posted as competitive
> positions.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ray wayne
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 8:00 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>
> I have the same question.
> Ray Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> ,f3 ,ross ,do]r <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
> ,to3 8,bl ,law ,mail+ ,li/0 <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>,
> Date: Monday, Oct 29, 2012 19:25:57
> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>
>>
>>
>> Where does one find policy jobs, I'm on the list for attorney
>> postings, but don't know how to find the policy type.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
> @> ,f3 8,ronza ,o?man0 <rothmanjd at gmail.com> @> ,to3 8',bl ,law ,mail+
> ,li/'0 <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 6:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>>
>>
>> > Ross,
>> > If you do make a move to Boston, New York, or Washington, please let
>> > me know.  I'd be happy to share your resume with folks in my health
>> > care network.  I'd also suggest you think about broadening what
>> > you're looking for in terms of actual positions  there are a lot of
>> > jobs on the policy side and very few on the litigation side.  If you
>> > do policy work for a while, you might have the opportunity to get
>> > back into the litigation arena once you've expanded your network and
>> > gotten your foot in the federal door.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Ronza
>> >
>> >
> @> @> -----Original Message-----
>> > From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ross
>> > Doerr
>> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 12:36 PM
>> > To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you Ronza. I see that you did a great deal of networking, and
>> > that is something I have been trying to do a lot.  I didn't know
>> > that you knew Joanne Wilson   now a former director of a Federal
>> > Agency is a connection!
>> > I have been  doing the same sort of emailing that you suggest with
>> > introductory letters with a resume, and application writing for 3
>> > years, and don't seem to get much beyond a reply letter saying
>> > either they will keep me on file for the next job opening or that
>> > they don't know what they can do to help.
>> > It would seem that  a move out of Maine to a more cosmepolitan area
>> > such as down in Boston or WOULDC would be in order. The reason I say
>> > that is we don't really have any mass transit up here to speak of
>> > unless you are on the Amtrack train, running out of Portland
>> > regularly, so being able to do the type of networking that you refer
>> > to isn't possible on a bus or train up here, but I wish that it
>> > were.
>> > My litigation record is an excellent one in State and Federal
>> > matters but the type of open-minded disability hiring doesn't seem
>> > to be as evident in this area. Your experiences highlight the need
>> > to be either in a physical location where the type of casual,
>> > coincidental contacts can be made, or to get a good networking
>> > contact to help you get a foot in the door. Like you, I'm a proven
>> > and seasoned professional in healthcare litigation (Medicaid) and
>> > with litigation experience in the Help America Vote Act on the
>> > administrative level, and then via ADA Title II into Federal Court
>> > for polling place access.
>> > I'm glad your experiences are successful and not as protracted in
>> > the down side as mine are, but thanks for the information.
>> > Ross A. Doerr Esq.
>> > Admitted to Practice in:
>> > Maine and New Hampshire
>> > F. Ct. Admissions:
>> > ME & NH
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:13 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I'm happy to help if I can.  Anyone interested in tips or tricks
>> >> beyond what I share below is welcome to message me privately.
>> >>
>> >> I earned a BA in Philosophy and a BS in Biological Sciences from a
>> >> very small Catholic university in Chicago.  I attended DePaul
>> >> University and earned a Masters in Public Services Management with
>> >> a concentration in Healthcare Administration, and I attended DePaul
>> >> University College of Law where I earned my JD.  I received a job
>> >> offer to work in the county prosecutor's office post-law school
>> >> during my last year of law school, but the county went broke, and I
>> >> found out a few weeks before I was to sit for the Bar that they had
>> >> to rescind all offers for new people.  So I drifted a little bit,
>> >> taking whatever jobs I could find, including working as an attorney
>> >> investigator for a pseudo-federal agency (which means a federal
>> >> judge stood up this office on a temporary basis to investigate and
>> >> adjudicate employment discrimination claims for a class action).  I
>> >> got that job by simply sending an email with my resume and cover
>> >> letter after seeing an ad for it on my law school's career office
>> >> website.  I also worked for a law firm for a bit, eventually
>> >> managing the suburban branch, and then I struck out on my own.
>> >> Meanwhile, I was handling immigration cases, both for the law firm
>> >> and when I hung my own shingle, and I was having great success
>> >> against USCIS and ICE.  That drew some attention to me as an Arab
>> >> American Muslim who was finding the systemic discrimination in DHS
>> >> programs.  I also networked, networked, networked.
>> >>
>> >> One day, I had a conversation with Joann Wilson from NFB, who asked
>> >> me about my future plans.  I confided that I wasn't big on managing
>> >> my own law practice and thought I'd prefer to work for a nonprofit
>> >> or government agency so I could have greater impact.  She offered
>> >> to introduce me to a friend of hers, who was the head of the civil
>> >> rights office at DHS.  It turned out that he had heard of me
>> >> because of the litigation I'd been working on in Chicago, but he
>> >> offered to conduct an informational interview with me the next time
>> >> I was in DC thanks to Joann's introduction.  I took him up on the
>> >> offer, and when a position opened up, I applied for it.  I was
>> >> ready to go Schedule A, but they ended up processing my application
>> >> for that job competitively.  It took well over a year from initial
>> >> application until I got my start date, but that was in part because
>> >> I had to obtain a security clearance for the job.
>> >>
>> >> I stayed a few years, but I needed a change.  I saw a vacancy
>> >> announcement on this list for another federal position  actually
>> >> Scott LaBarre posted it.  That same day, I sent out my resume and
>> >> cover letter to the Disability Employment Program Manager, and I
>> >> had my first phone interview later that afternoon for that
>> >> position.  Several others on this list were also interviewed for
>> >> that position, I later learned.  I was brought in for an in-person
>> >> interview, and I got the job.  They used Schedule A for this
>> >> position.
>> >>
>> >> Since then, I've applied using Schedule A maybe 7 times, and I've
>> >> interviewed for 5 positions and have received 3 offers.  These have
>> >> been with various Agencies, including SBA, SSA, Education, HUD, and 
>> >> the
> DOJ.
>> >>
>> >> In my work, I also attend conferences on hiring individuals with
>> >> disabilities.  For example, there is an annual conference for
>> >> federal agencies called the Perspectives on Hiring Individuals with
>> >> Disabilities Federal Conference each fall in Washington.  It
>> >> basically teaches agencies how to use Schedule A and other hiring
>> >> authorities like the Workforce Recruitment Program (like Schedule A
>> >> but for current students and recent graduates), in addition to
>> >> resources for providing reasonable acommodations and strategies for
>> >> retention.  That is where I've met the hundreds of Schedule A
>> >> hires, and I've maintained contact with many of them.  Also, the
>> >> disability community in Washington is small, so a lot of us know
>> >> one another.  We turn up at conferences, workshops, balls, and just
>> >> randomly riding the metro or Marc trains.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> My experience is that the range in age for those hired using
>> >> Schedule A is all over the place.  Since it can be used to hire for
>> >> pretty much any position, it isn't true that most hires are
>> >> entry-level.  I know Schedule A folks who are attorneys,
>> >> accountants, actuaries, nurses, education specialists,
>> >> transportation specialists, managers, HR folks, and on and on.
>> >> I can't say I know very many in law enforcement though  but then
>> >> again those folks are less likely to share that they have a
>> >> disability, or their disabilities are likely to be hidden rather
>> >> than obvious.
>> >>
>> >> Hope this helps.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Ronza
>> >>
>> >>
> @> @>@> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> Daniel McBride
>> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:01 AM
>> >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>> >>
>> >> Ronza:
>> >>
>> >> Would you share with us your personal success story?  Where did you
>> >> attend undergraduate school and law school?  From the time you were
>> >> licensed to practice, how long was it before your Schedule A hire?
>> >> In which agency, and in what capacity was the hire?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You mention "hundreds" of Schedule A success stories in your area.
>> >> I believe you do not mean hundreds of blind lawyers.  Of these
>> >> success stories, what type of disabilities are involved?  With
>> >> which agencies, and in what capacity, are these people finding
>> >> success with Schedule A?
>> >>
>> >> Also, including yourself and the hundreds of others, what would you
>> >> estimate the age demographics to be.  I know several of us curious
>> >> about this matter are in our late 50s to early 60s.  Thanks a
>> >> bunch.
>> >>
>> >> Dan McBride, Attorney
>> >> Fort Worth, Texas
>> >>
> @> @>@> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ronza
>> >> Othman
>> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:25 AM
>> >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>> >>
>> >> Hi Will,
>> >>
>> >> I am a Schedule A "success story" myself, and I know at least two
>> >> dozen in my Agency alone.  I'd say overall, I probably know of
>> >> several hundred individuals with disabilities who've been hired
>> >> using Schedule A.  But I live and interact in the Washington DC
>> >> area, so I can't say how effective such programs are outside of the
>> >> headquarters area.  I do know folks who've been hired in the
>> >> regions, but since the majority of feds work in DC, I'd say I'm
>> >> more familiar with success in that area.  In addition, different
>> >> federal agencies have different protocols for implementing Schedule
>> >> A, so I can't say each agency takes advantage of Schedule A in the
>> >> same way.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Ronza
>> >>
>> >>
> @> @>@> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> William T.
>> >> Miller
>> >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:44 PM
>> >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>> >>
>> >> Sounds familiar. I don't feel entitled to noncompetitive status,
>> >> but please spare me the dangling carrot. I'm curious to know if
>> >> anyone on the list is aware of any Schedule A success stories  I'd
>> >> love to find out that my skepticism regarding the program is
>> >> unwarranted.
>> >>
>> >> Will Miller
>> >>
>> >>
> @> @>@> -----Original Message-----
> @> @>@> ,f3 ,alcidonis ,law ,(fice [mailto:attorney at alcidonislaw.com]
>> >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 12:13 AM
>> >> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>> >>
>> >> As I said, it is just a joke. Long ago I stopped wasting my time
>> >> with so-called schedule A coordinators. One of them pretty much
>> >> admitted to
>> >> me:
>> >> "I don't think I am still the coordinator though." Really? And your
>> >> name is on the government's website?
>> >>
>> >> I also don't see what the heck they are coordinating if they have
>> >> applicants
>> >>
>> >> send resume to their attentions and the applicant just never
>> >> receives even an acknowledgement of receipt.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Rod
>> >>
> @> @>@> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Deepa Goraya
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:49 PM
>> >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>> >>
>> >> Many Schedule A coordinators don't even return calls or emails. I have
>> >> tried
>> >> contacting some of them.
>> >>
> @> @>@> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> Alcidonis
>> >> Law Office
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:25 PM
>> >> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>> >>
>> >> Some of the schedule A coordinators don't even know they hold that
> title.
>> >> The whole thing is a joke.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Rod
> @> @>@> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Angie Matney
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:41 PM
>> >> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>> >>
>> >> Hello Will:
>> >>
>> >> Jobs filled through schedule a do not have to be (but may be)
> advertized.
>> >> I
>> >> guess you could contact the agency you're interested in and see if
> there
>> >> are
>> >> openings. This page has more information:
>> >>
> @> @>@> http://www.opm.gov/disability/mngr_3-13.asp
>> >>
>> >> I don't know how well this theoretically great program works in
> practice.
>> >>
>> >> Angie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 10/18/12, Daniel McBride <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>> Will:
> @> >>>
>> >>> Not only do I find the Schedule A Federal program somewhat suspect, I
>> >>> am curious about the complete absence of Schedule A type programs at
>> >>> the state and local levels.
> @> >>>
>> >>> I have been practicing criminal law for 29 years; 3 years as a
>> >>> prosecutor and the remainder in defense.  The local DA's office is
>> >>> quite familiar with me and my abilities.  However, my efforts to gain
>> >>> employment with them do not receive the time of day.  I have no doubt
>> >>> but that their stated EEOC policy is mere form lacking any substance.
> @> >>>
>> >>> I cannot agree more with the posts entered since Ross' apology.
> @> >>>
>> >>> Dan McBride, Attorney
>> >>> Fort Worth, Texas
> @> >>>
> @> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>> William T.
>> >>> Miller
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:41 PM
>> >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> >>> Subject: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
> @> >>>
>> >>> Theoretically there is a process similar to the "binders" mentioned 
>> >>> in
>> >>> the last presidential debate: Schedule A. I'm curious if this list
>> >>> feels that schedule A is an effective process? My understanding of
>> >>> Schedule A is that disabled candidates for federal positions can post
>> >>> for jobs before they are posted publicly and, if qualified, the 
>> >>> hiring
>> >>> manager may hire them noncompetitively. However, I don't understand
>> >>> how disabled job candidates are supposed to know of potential jobs
>> >>> before they are posted to the public.
>> >>> If disabled candidates have no way of knowing what Schedule A
>> >>> opportunities exists, then how can he or she take advantage of the
>> >>> program? I'm definitely no expert on this topic, so if anyone on the
>> >>> list can correct me and explain how one applies for a specific
>> >>> position as a Schedule A candidate, please enlighten me.
>> >>> Thank you,
> @> >>>
>> >>> Will Miller
> @> >>> -----Original Message-----
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>> >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
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>> >>> I didn't see anything wrong with the post.
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>> >>> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ross
>> >>> Doerr
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:45 PM
>> >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> >>> Subject: [bllaw] "Question" Posting
> @> >>>
>> >>> Hello List:
> @> >>>
>> >>> I am the one who posted the "question" about why disabled job seekers
>> >>> aren't being asked for binders full of their resumes to get more of
>> >>> "us" into the workplace. It was my blatant reference to a comment 
>> >>> made
>> >>> during the presidential debate.
> @> >>>
>> >>> In view of the on list and off list reprimands I have received about
>> >>> the posting, I feel that I should go onto the list and apologize for
>> >>> posting what is, as it has been pointed out to me repeatedly, an off
>> >>> topic message.
> @> >>>
>> >>> I had thought that, in view of the underlying unemployment  issues
>> >>> that face those of us on the list, and those of us who regularly post
>> >>> job listings, such as myself and Noel Nightengale, that an idea to
>> >>> improve the employment situation would be net with some positive
>> >>> thought provocation.
> @> >>>
>> >>>  Since I was wrong, I apologize to the list as a whole for my off
>> >>> topic posting. It will not happen again.
> @> >>>
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>> > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5361  Release Date:
> 10/29/12
>> >
>>
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