[blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review

Melissa Allman mrallman116 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 20 16:16:16 UTC 2016 

Wow you're lucky! But then I have to say I get a lot of documents from clients that arrive in various conditions, some not so great. The best are the crumpled ones with handwritten notes on them.

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> On Aug 20, 2016, at 9:15 AM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like I might be one of the few who uses Kurzweil on this list.
> I rarely have trouble with OCR unless the scan is really, really bad.
> 
>> On 8/20/16, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all. I also use Adobe Pro at work and  think it is more efficient and
>> less clunky than OpenBook, but this is just my opinion. I will say though
>> that using the OCR feature and converting documents into Word can work very
>> well if the documents are clean, but many times I need the assistance of a
>> human reader or someone to edit the documents for accuracy if the scan
>> wasn't good and the OCR came out messy. I can't take the risk of
>> compromising a client's interests because a document has issues. This
>> definitely presents challenges at times. TI would be interested in knowing
>> more about this Nuance program if it is more powerful though. This
>> discussion is also letting me know that there are some possibly useful
>> features in Adobe Pro that I am not using, so thanks. BTW I don't know about
>> others but I really hate Word tables and find Excel ones much easier to
>> use.
>> 
>> Congrats to all who made Law Review. I was on a journal when I was in law
>> school (more than 10 years ago now so this makes me feel old) and it was a
>> very stimulating experience.
>> 
>> Melissa Allman
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2016, at 2:08 AM, Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't speak about its value compared to Nuance, because I've never used
>>> Nuance, but Adobe Pro also converts pdf documents to Word and preserves
>>> much
>>> of the font and formatting information in the process, which I never
>>> found
>>> to be the case with OpenBook. It converts all but very long documents in
>>> a
>>> matter of a few seconds and also has a lot of functionality that I use at
>>> work, like combining multiple documents into a single pdf, deleting pages
>>> from pdfs, reducing the size of pdfs before sending them as e-mail
>>> attachments, etc. It's a pretty powerful program.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa
>>> Goraya via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Cc: Deepa Goraya
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review
>>> 
>>> Just curious, how is Adobe Pro? That converts PDFs to Word as well but
>>> don't
>>> know how good it is compared to Nuance.
>>> 
>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James
>>> Fetter via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:25 PM
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>>> Cc: James Fetter <jtfetter at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review
>>> 
>>> Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to identify
>>> tables  and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it also does a
>>> fair
>>> job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It also is good for
>>> scanning,
>>> if you have to scan and send a properly formatted document, say, a signed
>>> contract, to a sighted person, and it allows for the conversion of
>>> pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file explorer (once installed, options
>>> appear under the applications menu to convert pdf as document to word, as
>>> spreadsheet to excel, etc). I think it's over $100, but I have found it
>>> useful for a variety of things. And, as for the pdf merging business,
>>> well,
>>> I hope that I can change that and a variety of other things next year.
>>> Out
>>> of curiosity, does your journal still have people physically mark up
>>> printed
>>> documents as part of the editing process? Mine does, and although I can
>>> obviously use the word version of the article instead, I have wondered
>>> how
>>> common that particular requirement is as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>> Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds
>>>> very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well?
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes
>>>>> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires
>>>>> merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of
>>>>> contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and
>>>>> I would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called
>>>>> Nuance Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word
>>>>> converter as well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found
>>>>> that even some text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence
>>>>> the strategy of preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on
>>>>> journal, and please feel free to reach out with any questions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print
>>>>>> sources that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would
>>>>>> probably be easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word
>>>>>> with
>>> Kurzweil.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that
>>>>>> would be nice.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain
>>>>>>> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off
>>>>>>> of them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to
>>>>>>> be flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance,
>>>>>>> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL
>>>>>>> or to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to
>>>>>>> check longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for
>>>>>>> someone else taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a
>>>>>>> practice implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal
>>>>>>> is to come up with equitable yet flexible solutions.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR
>>>>>>>> software when possible. If that did not render the document
>>>>>>>> accessible, I worked with a human reader to access them.
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM
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>>>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a
>>>>>>>> lot of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command
>>>>>>>> doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only
>>>>>>>> search the page that is on the screen.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor
>>>>>>>>> you get 'r'
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the
>>>>>>>>> past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are
>>>>>>>>> struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a
>>>>>>>>> screen reader. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as
>>>>>>>>> much of it independently as possible.
>>>>>>>>> 
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