[blindlaw] [blindlaw editing comments with Jaws and Track Changes
Angie Matney
angie.matney at gmail.com
Fri Apr 12 12:42:53 UTC 2019
I have the same issues (or at least, most of them) with comments and footnotes. I have taken to composing comments in Notepad and then pasting them in. For some reason, if I have the document set to "print" view, pasting doesn't seem to work. This hasn't always been an issue, but at least with the last update of JAWS, if I try to add a comment while I'm in print view, the title bar will say "Revisions pane," the paste command will not work, and I end up with an empty comment in my document. Sometimes, I can edit and delete comments; sometimes, these menu options aren't available.
Angie
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> On Apr 11, 2019, at 10:01 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I have not experienced this. I can enter, edit, and remove comments written by myself and by colleagues. I rely on the next and previous buttons on the menu to navigate among comments. Once in the comment pane, I do notice that JAWS' performance seems inexplicably to slow down, but I can edit as I would usually do
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Dillon via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:42 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: Shannon Dillon
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blindlaw editing comments with Jaws and Track Changes
>
> I noticed the other day when I was trying to edit text in a comment, that it hi had The same problem as I do in footnotes. I can’t select words. As I press control shift right arrow, or shift right arrow, the word or character is selected and then and selected. So I can never select a block of text been deleted. I have to use the delete key by itself and go through to delete the whole comment. I was wondering if anyone else also has a problem getting into an already written comment to edit it. And do you have problems deleting comments? I have problems with both of these things. I can create a new comment. But I am an able to get into a comment I have written to edit it.
> And I can’t always delete comments. When I do I’m not exactly sure how I was able to make it happen. It’s a total fluke.
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>> On Dec 23, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I experience this issue with PDFs as well.
>>
>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
>> via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 9:58 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>; tim at timeldermusic.com
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> 1. First of all, let me say how glad I am that this issue is getting the
>> much-needed attention that it deserves. Until a few months ago, Freedom
>> Scientific simply refused to acknowledge that the sporadic functioning of
>> the virtual viewer for accessing a list of revisions was an issue which they
>> could address. It was only after some of us reached out to them that we were
>> able to move past the point where JAWS would simply say that there were no
>> revisions in a document when the number of revisions exceeded 100. So I am
>> confident that we will be able to get all outstanding issues resolved if we
>> are able to make good the claim that the inaccessibility of track changes
>> impacts a critical mass of blind people.
>>
>> 2. I echo the challenges that Laura voiced in using footnotes - the general
>> sluggishness of JAWS, coupled with the fact that it is very difficult to
>> edit them or to ascertain their number.
>> 3. One significant issue which I have been grappling with for the last
>> 3-4 months is the inaccessibility of PDF documents with JAWS - when used
>> with Adobe Reader, JAWS throws you back by many pages if you try going up a
>> line and doesn't enable you to read a document in a para-wise fashion. All
>> that you can realistically do, except for using the OCR feature or
>> converting the document into Word, is to use the say-all command or navigate
>> the document line-by-line, both of which are highly inefficient ways to read
>> a document. I reached out to Vispero about this, and they attributed the
>> problem to Adobe. I have been communicating with Adobe accessibility team
>> for the last month, but they haven't really taken this issue seriously, as
>> it appears that not many people have reported the issue. So I wholeheartedly
>> agree with Laura when she says that we need to act collectively on these
>> issues, if we want to be taken seriously.
>>
>> I am happy to help in whatever way I can, including by way of supplying a
>> sample document with many revisions in it.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>> On 19/12/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> I appreciate this so much. Please let me know if you'd like any
>>> assistance. Regarding what to put in the letter, do other people also
>>> have the experience, as I do, that Jaws will read both the original
>>> and edited text when you're reading through a document? This didn't
>>> used to happen to me, but now it does. I'm using Office 2016, Windows
>>> 10, and hte latest version of Jaws. Additionally, I find that Jaws
>>> doesn't always announce "revision" when it detects track changes. Can
>>> others confirm? This has the end result that relying on the file's
>>> contents rather than the generated list also does not give the user
>>> accurate information unless he engages in rather cumbersome
>>> character-by-character analysis.
>>>
>>> For the record, I did a bit more poking around on my file. I tried
>>> hitting ctrl+end as Rahul suggested, and that actually turned out
>>> fewer revisions. The list also only went to page 9 of a 25-page
>>> document. It gave me 154 revisions, when there were probably closer
>>> to 400, and of course, as always, absolutely no info from footnotes.
>>>
>>> If no one else is able to assist, I will attempt to generate a file
>>> with a few hundred track changes for FS to work with. Perhaps this
>>> could accompany the NABL letter.
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>>> On 12/18/18, Scott C. LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone, I've been following this thread with great interest
>>>> and I am going to work on a letter from the National Association of
>>>> Blind Lawyers to VFO about this issue and will likely also write
>>>> MicroSoft. Let me also take this moment to wish all of you the very
>>>> best of this holiday season.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 5:01 PM
>>>> To: 'Laura Wolk' <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>
>>>> Understood. I forwarded this to a contact at Microsoft to see if
>>>> they could do anything while we wait on whatever the developer of
>>>> JAWS is calling itself these days. I've also been slowly learning
>>>> NVDA to diversify my technology tools.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:25 PM
>>>> To: tim at timeldermusic.com
>>>> Cc: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Not an option. And though 2010 didn't crash nearly as much as
>>>> the newer versions, it still couldn't handle documents with more than
>>>> a hundred or so revisions. Which, you know, is basically every round
>>>> of editing a brief or large filing of any kind. Using 2010 was my
>>>> work-around for 6 years. But I'm really getting fed up. It'd be great
>>>> if we all colectively could put pressure on Jaws to actually give us
>>>> the tools we need to succeed and be on equal footing with our peers.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 8:05 PM, <tim at timeldermusic.com>
>>>> <tim at timeldermusic.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Track changes in newly created Word documents still work reliably in
>>>> Office 2010 if using an older machine for this kind of task is an option.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 11:22 AM
>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm providing an update to this topic, as it generated a lot of
>>>>> traffic
>>>> and I'd love to spare another lawyer the risk of relying on this
>>>> $1,000 disappointment to his professional detriment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaws still does not announce the correct number of revisions.
>>>>> Instead, after taking up to 30 or 45 seconds sometimes, it will
>>>>> announce a
>>>> much larger number that still isn't always accurate. This is
>>>> actually worse than when it simply said there were no revisions to
>>>> display, since we all knew that was incorrect. now it gives the
>>>> false sense of security that you have, in fact, looked at every
>>>> revision when there could be a hundred more that are not displaying
>>>> that you haven't reviewed. note that though this isn't a terrible
>>>> inconvenience when you are integrating all changes into one draft
>>>> from only one document, it is a huge problem if you are receiving
>>>> multiple streams of edits from multiple sources that you are trying
>>>> to accept/reject and then compile into one final draft. So be
>>>> forewarned, Jaws is sstill failing abysmally at providing us with the
>>>> elementary tools needed in 2018 to maintain "Job access."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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