[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 48, Issue 14
Bernard M Diaz
b.m.diaz at liverpool.ac.uk
Fri Jul 23 15:42:56 UTC 2010
John,
This is excellent reporting of how and what you do, and is, I
believe, excellent advice.
However, I'm curious to know what Braille method you used for
equations, I assume Nemeth? and how do you obtain your "raised line
drawings"? Do you, or your professor, generate them? and how?
Are they photocopied onto bubble-paper then put through a "toaster"
or do you use Tiger, or some such?
If you do them, how do you locate the image to be copied?
Kind regards - Bernard Diaz
John Miller wrote:
> Hello Peter, My math and engineering homework I have always completed
> with a Perkins mechanical braille writer using braille paper. Having
> things on paper helped in review session. It was a must for quick
> reference the night before a midterm. I remember my modern physics
> textbook was read on to cassette. I personally transcribed all the
> equations on to my braille notetaker. I now use the braille note Pk.
> For me it has always been my completed homeworks and midterms in
> braille in a binder, problem set solutions on a braille notetaker,
> some reference or other on cassette, recorded lectures to help me
> make more informed questions at office hours prior to the next
> lecture, and the braille note taker for notes about lectures. If I
> can get student services to pay for a reader to typeset handwritten
> lecture notes from a fellow student, I do that. Otherwise I get the
> handwritten notes from lecture and have someone read them to me
> directly while I transcribe them into braille with my braille note
> taker. The process of having someone read the notes and writing them
> down before the next lecture can really help be ready even if little
> studying of those notes occurs before the next lecture. I ask the
> professor what section of a book will be covered in the next lecture
> and bring the raised line drawings for that section with me to class.
> Sometimes the professor will point out at my request that they are
> sketching figure 3.13 or whatever and having the graphs on hand from
> the text is very useful.
>
> Very best,
>
> John
>
>
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> 1. Re: Nemeth code algebra, ttrig and calculus books for loan?
> (Peter Wolfe)
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> Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:48:14 -0500 From: Peter Wolfe
> <sunspot005 at gmail.com> To: Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Nemeth
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> Thanks Lisa for the information you shared with me. This leads
> ultimately to something else I'm personally struggling with. What are
> some affective strategies in taking notes and studying audio
> materials as opposed to electronic or braille forms of learning? In
> fact, I would like all study habits examined on here to be shared.
> This is for the sake out of solidarity with some methods and
> equipment and unique approaches adopted by some and forgotten by
> others. Thanks for all input in this matter.
>
>
> sincerely, Peter
>
> On 7/20/10, Lisa Bongiorno <Lisa.Bongiorno at dhs.state.nj.us> wrote:
>> There are several websites where you can access audio books for
>> free. You do need to search. Try also your library. I'm from NJ
>> and I was directed to the website: www.listennj.com Excellent
>> website. All you need is a library card. You go to the website,
>> pull down the menu and click on to your library and enter your
>> library number. From there you have full access to audio books and
>> can download them to your IPod, MP3 or burn them onto discs for
>> free! Also try RFB&D. They have a grant that allows for first time
>> members, free first year membership. You can either order CDs or
>> download textbooks on an Ipod, Kindle, whatever piece of equipment
>> you are using. Good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolfe
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:46 PM To: Blind Math list for those
>> interested in mathematics Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Nemeth code
>> algebra,ttrig and calculus books for loan?
>>
>> Thanks Steve for the help cause it really feels sincere. I really
>> appreciate the effort and time you put into sending the replied
>> e-mail. I'm working on this stuff as I speak. I will read through
>> my e-mail and hopefuloly I don't go to sleep to call people or
>> e-mail.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Peter, AS
>>
>> On 7/18/10, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> I won't say anything more on this after this note. I truly do
>>> feel
>> for your
>>> financial problems, but the fact is that most blind people going
>>> to college, even without major debt, could not affort to
>> pay to
>>> get braille or even audio books on their own. Some states tend to
>>> be tighter than others, and I can't say how tight
>> your
>>> state is. However, part of the federal laws are intended to
>>> allow state agencies to help with book costs, and the
>> college
>>> you attend also has some responsibilities. I was not saying you
>>> need a private transcriber, but rather, I was
>> referring
>>> to the fact that there are organizations that do transcribing to
>>> assist with textbooks. There is such an agency in Minnesota, for
>>> example, but they charge for out-of- state borrowing, and they
>>> give priority to persons in-state for
>> transcribing
>>> new books. You didn't say if you have contacted your college
>>> yet, but you will have to make some contacts to
>> find
>>> out what is available already transcribed and also if you have
>>> any options to get something transcribed. Your
>> VR
>>> counselor may not be of much help, but sometimes you have to
>>> "play the game" to get whatever help is
>> available, but
>>> that option won't work until you know what the college is able to
>>> do. I know RFBD has produced some books primarily with audio but
>>> with braille supplements, and that might be worth investigating.
>>> Some publishers
>> will
>>> provide electronic copies of their books, but it can be
>>> problematic with math. I believe it is the American Printing
>> House
>>> for the Blind that maintains the database of all books that have
>>> been transcribed by organizations around the country.
>> NLS
>>> does very little of this kind of work. I just don't know what
>>> else to say, but I fear if you don't look at some of
>> these
>>> other issues very soon, you won't have any texts in nemeth and
>>> the practice will be of little value. I truly
>> hope
>>> things work out for you, and maybe there are people on this list
>>> who live nearer to you who can make more specific
>> suggestions
>>> than I am able to make.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:51:37 -0500, Peter Wolfe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm trying to see how the nemeth code will look like for
>>>> orientation purposes and for the pracctice in my rusty
>>>> abilities in math. I haven't done serious math in almost three
>>>> years. I have a VR counsuler and they are mainly only good in
>>>> most cases with financial support. With the down turn in the
>>>> economy and my personal financial restraints the other option
>>>> would also be thrown out too. Looking at someone transcribing
>>>> for me is probably way way too expensive for the normal blind
>>>> college student. I also have a house with other debt credit
>>>> card issues and an apartment with utilities including a
>>>> dependent brother as well. So, needless to say financial
>>>> restraints are a huge problem. On 7/17/10, Steve Jacobson
>>>> <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> What kind of books are you requesting? Are you looking for
>>>>> books to learn the Nemeth Code or to see how it is used? Have
>>>>> you made contact with the college you will be attending to
>>>>> see
>> if
>>>>> they can help you find out what books you will be needing?
>>>>> There are databases around that can be searched to see
>> if a
>>>>> given book has been brailled by anyone. Do you have a
>>>>> Vocational Rehabilitation case open with your state
>> agency?
>>>>> Part of what they might be able to do is to help with
>>>>> purchasing braille copies of the books you will need if
>> they
>>>>> are available. They probably would not buy books for
>>>>> practice, though. There are some places that will transcribe
>> books
>>>>> for you, but they need lead time and I don't know who serves
>>>>> your state.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:56:10 -0600, Peter Wolfe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Blind Math list,
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's me Peter with about a month to go, I am trying to find
>>>>>> a place to have nemeth code braille math books for loan
>>>>>> from? I tried NLS and they have utterly blasted me out of
>>>>>> the water via the telephone. I don't have the kind of money
>>>>>> to purchase that sort of mammoth priced math information
>>>>>> either. Most blind people don't have it either. I'd
>>>>>> appreciate any help in this regard. By the way, when you
>>>>>> guys finished your first calculus book, did you keep your
>>>>>> notes and books for the next calculus? Thanks for any hints
>>>>>> and tips like always.
>>>>>
>>>>>> God bless, Peter, AS -- Peter Q. Wolfe, AS
>>>>>> sunspot005 at gmail.com
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