[BlindMath] Statistics and Calculus Accessibility
Preston Davis III
prestondavis72612 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 12 16:12:58 UTC 2017
Well it's great to hear that some companies are taking seriously the
accessability needs of other students. I spoke with the chair of the
math department, and they use Pearson's my math lab, and My stat lab.
I've use my math lab in another course, and it was almost completely
accessible. That course wasn't very graphic in nature however. I am
fortunet enough that the teacher that I'll be working with has taught
a few blind students statistics before so I'm eager to hear what she
has to say when I meet with her next week. Thankyou for your input,
and research and clear communication are deffinitly the best ways to
find out what you need! All the best to you and your son.
On 8/12/17, Mary Woodyard via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Preston,
>
> I need to research this issue again as my son took Stat once and dropped it
> because of the fact that he did not get media in time and the
> inaccessibility ofWebAssign. Also his reader for one of the tests did not
> come and he did not have the maturity at that time (he does now!) to
> reschedule the test. What I would tell you is that you are off to a great
> start researching it now!!!! His school (UGA) uses Pearson's My Math Plus
> for their regular math classes but uses WebAssign and Stat Crunch for
> Statistics. His DRC gave him a lab assistant to help with accessibility
> issues. I was just pleasantly surprised when I look at WebAssign again as
> they now have a page stating that if you email them at
> accessibility at webassign.net, they will work with your DRC, your text
> publisher and your instructor to make the class accessible. It can take 8
> weeks and publishers obviously retain control of books - but they are
> willing to help. That is amazing! I am including the verbage from their
> webpage which can be found at this link
> https://www.webassign.com/instructors/features/accessibility/ You will
> need to work with your coordinator (or do it yourself) to reach out to the
> math department to see what they use. Honestly I'm pretty excited about
> this
> as my son still needs to take another Math class. He had one down - but
> needs two. I was just talking with a coordinator in his DRC yesterday
> about
> WebAssign and she was commenting on its inaccessibility. If WEBASSIGN will
> truly work with students, professors and DRCs then this is a huge step in
> accessibility for him. You will need to find out what your school uses and
> work with your coordinator or the DRC's IT department to see what solutions
> they might find from you. The first step is communication. Talking with
> my
> son's coordinator this spring, she was most interested in trying to find a
> Math solution. This will be very exciting for my son's DRC if WebAssign
> can
> make their Math Curriculum accessible for UGA students. Find out what your
> school uses and read Jonathon's article. The article helped my son find
> the
> vocabulary to start the discussions he needs to have with his DRC to find
> solutions for accessibility in his Math classes. Before you can find the
> solution, you need to be able to quantify the challenge and articulate it
> to
> those who can help you.
>
> WebAssign can help you select or create accessible content for your class.
> Please email us at accessibility at webassign.net with your request.
>
> WebAssign will work with the instructor, the institution's disability
> office, and the publisher of your preferred textbook to create a course
> that
> can be completed with the use of assistive technology, such as the screen
> readers mentioned above. Please be aware that this may take up to eight
> weeks. We recommend contacting us well before the start of the course.
>
> WebAssign will also help coordinate with the publisher to provide you with
> an accessible form of the textbook. Due to copyright and ownership
> restrictions, publishers remain in control of the distribution of their
> material.
>
>
>
> Mary Woodyard
> Parent of a VI Student who was just on campus doing O and M for new
> semester
>
>
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> 1. Re: calculus and statistics accommodations and access
> (Preston Davis III)
> 2. Re: calculus and statistics accommodations and access
> (Kaden Colton)
> 3. Re: calculus and statistics accommodations and access
> (Godfrey, Jonathan)
> 4. Re: calculus and statistics accommodations and access
> (Sabra Ewing)
> 5. Re: calculus and statistics accommodations and access
> (Sabra Ewing)
> 6. my personal assurance (Godfrey, Jonathan)
> 7. Re: calculus and statistics accomidations and access (David Moore)
> 8. Re: calculus and statistics accommodations and access
> (Godfrey, Jonathan)
> 9. Re: calculus and statistics accommodations and access
> (Tilakprasad Joshi)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:21:38 -0400
> From: Preston Davis III <prestondavis72612 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accommodations and
> access
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> Well if nothing else, the information is helpful in me presenting
> ideas to those involved in the process; Ignoring the fact that my
> professor was delighted to receive information from such a unique
> perspective. I'd also like to point out I was looking for constructive
> feedback on my issue, and that was really unhelpful in the grand skeme
> of things. It's comments like this that make people hesitate to reach
> out to others when they are unsure or need help.
>
> Best
> PDIII
>
> On 8/10/17, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Jonathan, this person will be lucky if they can get an accessible
> textbook.
>> I doubt the professors will read any case studies. Hate to be harsh, but
>> just saying.
>>
>> Sabra Ewing
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As well as the blatant self-promotion of my own work in
>>>
>>> A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and M. Theodor Loots. Advice from blind
>>> teachers
>>> on how to teach statistics to blind students. Journal of Statistics
>>> Education,
>>> 23(3):1?28, November 2015.
>>>
>>> There is a case study in the preceding issue of the same journal which
> may
>>> be of interest to your professors.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Preston
>>> Davis III via BlindMath
>>> Sent: Friday, 11 August 2017 1:02 p.m.
>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Preston Davis III
>>> Subject: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and access
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I?m sure what I?m about to ask has been asked somewhere before in some
>>> fashion, but I couldn?t figure out the search feature. Anyway, I have to
>>> take calculus and statistics as a requirement for getting accepted into
>>> business school. I really have no idea what I?m getting myself into, and
>>> what I?m looking for is, best case, people who have taken or teach
>>> either
>>> of these subject areas to offer some practical advice, or accommodation
>>> techniques for situations I?ll face in either of these areas that I
> should
>>> try out to ensure I have a solid grasp of the material. My community
>>> college is not the best when it comes to providing accommodations, (not
>>> for lack of caring though), and I don?t think we have the time or money
> to
>>> spend on some solutions I?ve heard of. Here?s some helpful information:
>>> I
>>> am a braille reader with access to a windows pc, Jaws, and a braille
>>> display. My DSS office has a picture in a flash machine but they are a
>>> little less-than competent in its operation. One potential problem I
> might
>>> run in too is that my college uses my math lab by Pearson, for homework,
>>> and quizzes online.
>>> While I?m not sure if this is the case for these particular courses, in
>>> the others I?ve taken it is. I have a meeting with the professor of both
>>> courses on the seventeenth of august, so I?m trying to get as much
>>> information as I can before then.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> PDIII
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:41:13 -0600
> From: Kaden Colton <atmosaddict at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accommodations and
> access
> Message-ID: <AA35522E-D290-443F-AEDD-FC311BBEA5C3 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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> Hello,
>
> I have taken several calculus and statistics courses as an undergraduate. I
> am also a Braille user. Are you looking for techniques others have used to
> make it through these classes? What kinds of ideas have you come up with to
> figure out how to solve some of the problems that may arise from taking
> these courses? The reason I am asking is so I can tell you exactly what
> I've
> done to get through these classes.
>
>
> Cheers
> Kaden
>
>> On 11 Aug 2017, at 09:21, Preston Davis III via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Well if nothing else, the information is helpful in me presenting
>> ideas to those involved in the process; Ignoring the fact that my
>> professor was delighted to receive information from such a unique
>> perspective. I'd also like to point out I was looking for constructive
>> feedback on my issue, and that was really unhelpful in the grand skeme
>> of things. It's comments like this that make people hesitate to reach
>> out to others when they are unsure or need help.
>>
>> Best
>> PDIII
>>
>>> On 8/10/17, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Jonathan, this person will be lucky if they can get an accessible
> textbook.
>>> I doubt the professors will read any case studies. Hate to be harsh, but
>>> just saying.
>>>
>>> Sabra Ewing
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> As well as the blatant self-promotion of my own work in
>>>>
>>>> A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and M. Theodor Loots. Advice from blind
>>>> teachers
>>>> on how to teach statistics to blind students. Journal of Statistics
>>>> Education,
>>>> 23(3):1?28, November 2015.
>>>>
>>>> There is a case study in the preceding issue of the same journal which
> may
>>>> be of interest to your professors.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Preston
>>>> Davis III via BlindMath
>>>> Sent: Friday, 11 August 2017 1:02 p.m.
>>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Preston Davis III
>>>> Subject: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and access
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I?m sure what I?m about to ask has been asked somewhere before in some
>>>> fashion, but I couldn?t figure out the search feature. Anyway, I have
>>>> to
>>>> take calculus and statistics as a requirement for getting accepted into
>>>> business school. I really have no idea what I?m getting myself into,
>>>> and
>>>> what I?m looking for is, best case, people who have taken or teach
> either
>>>> of these subject areas to offer some practical advice, or accommodation
>>>> techniques for situations I?ll face in either of these areas that I
> should
>>>> try out to ensure I have a solid grasp of the material. My community
>>>> college is not the best when it comes to providing accommodations, (not
>>>> for lack of caring though), and I don?t think we have the time or money
> to
>>>> spend on some solutions I?ve heard of. Here?s some helpful information:
> I
>>>> am a braille reader with access to a windows pc, Jaws, and a braille
>>>> display. My DSS office has a picture in a flash machine but they are a
>>>> little less-than competent in its operation. One potential problem I
> might
>>>> run in too is that my college uses my math lab by Pearson, for
>>>> homework,
>>>> and quizzes online.
>>>> While I?m not sure if this is the case for these particular courses, in
>>>> the others I?ve taken it is. I have a meeting with the professor of
>>>> both
>>>> courses on the seventeenth of august, so I?m trying to get as much
>>>> information as I can before then.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> PDIII
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:57:16 +0000
> From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accommodations and
> access
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> Preston,
>
> Sabra doesn't know it and I've not ever shared it explicitly in public
> before now, but her negative experiences and their ongoing airing via this
> list were a major source of inspiration for the article Theodor and I
> wrote.
> We believe that there is no reason for a student to fail in statistics
> courses due to their blindness, because there are ways to address the
> seemingly numerous access barriers. We felt that we needed to be the ones
> to
> write the article because we've been through more statistics courses than
> most blind people, we've made it work for us, and now we're both teaching
> statistics in those same settings. Demonstrating our own personal successes
> offers evidence of the value for the sighted world getting off their chuffs
> and helping other blind students. We wrote an article as that is the way to
> reach most academics, speaking to them as equals; we present some
> challenges, but we were not explicit in challenging them by demanding they
> do more. We preferred to show them how they could be helping and let their
> moral compass guide them from that point onwards.
>
> The success of a blind person in any discipline will almost certainly rely
> on the successful interaction between student and teacher at a level not
> necessary for the majority of students in the classroom who just so happen
> to be sighted. I accept that in some disciplines this interaction is fairly
> minimal, but in STEM disciplines, we need to put in the extra (often hard)
> yards. Those efforts will be made all the easier if people do share their
> positive experiences, but we ought not lose sight of the more sobering
> reality that comes when things don't go so well.
>
> I'm pleased you reached out to the list, as I have been pleased so many
> times over the last ten years, by students, their teachers (less often I
> admit) and disability support staff. In general, I think you will find list
> participants are willing to help and constructive; yes, you might hear some
> things that you don't want to hear or look a little daunting but the bad
> news will usually come with positive suggestions, advice or strategies
> based
> on real experience of success.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Preston
> Davis III via BlindMath
> Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 3:22 a.m.
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Cc: Preston Davis III
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accommodations and access
>
> Well if nothing else, the information is helpful in me presenting ideas to
> those involved in the process; Ignoring the fact that my professor was
> delighted to receive information from such a unique perspective. I'd also
> like to point out I was looking for constructive feedback on my issue, and
> that was really unhelpful in the grand skeme of things. It's comments like
> this that make people hesitate to reach out to others when they are unsure
> or need help.
>
> Best
> PDIII
>
> On 8/10/17, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Jonathan, this person will be lucky if they can get an accessible
> textbook.
>> I doubt the professors will read any case studies. Hate to be harsh,
>> but just saying.
>>
>> Sabra Ewing
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As well as the blatant self-promotion of my own work in
>>>
>>> A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and M. Theodor Loots. Advice from blind
>>> teachers on how to teach statistics to blind students. Journal of
>>> Statistics Education, 23(3):1?28, November 2015.
>>>
>>> There is a case study in the preceding issue of the same journal
>>> which may be of interest to your professors.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Preston Davis III via BlindMath
>>> Sent: Friday, 11 August 2017 1:02 p.m.
>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Preston Davis III
>>> Subject: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and access
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I?m sure what I?m about to ask has been asked somewhere before in
>>> some fashion, but I couldn?t figure out the search feature. Anyway, I
>>> have to take calculus and statistics as a requirement for getting
>>> accepted into business school. I really have no idea what I?m getting
>>> myself into, and what I?m looking for is, best case, people who have
>>> taken or teach either of these subject areas to offer some practical
>>> advice, or accommodation techniques for situations I?ll face in
>>> either of these areas that I should try out to ensure I have a solid
>>> grasp of the material. My community college is not the best when it
>>> comes to providing accommodations, (not for lack of caring though),
>>> and I don?t think we have the time or money to spend on some
>>> solutions I?ve heard of. Here?s some helpful information: I am a
>>> braille reader with access to a windows pc, Jaws, and a braille
>>> display. My DSS office has a picture in a flash machine but they are
>>> a little less-than competent in its operation. One potential problem
>>> I might run in too is that my college uses my math lab by Pearson, for
> homework, and quizzes online.
>>> While I?m not sure if this is the case for these particular courses,
>>> in the others I?ve taken it is. I have a meeting with the professor
>>> of both courses on the seventeenth of august, so I?m trying to get as
>>> much information as I can before then.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> PDIII
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindMath mailing list
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:32:37 -0500
> From: Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accommodations and
> access
> Message-ID: <FA306182-51D5-49F1-B2BF-765079A3E496 at gmail.com>
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>
> you should mention in public that you might write articles about people
> without their permission. While you may technically be able to do so if you
> don't mention their name, people should know that anything they do or say
> could end up in One of your articles. I don't know how you could have done
> a
> case study on me when my professor wasn't even interested in cooperating.
> if
> you ever actually discussed doing a case study on me or writing an article
> about me, I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure you didn't.
>
> Sabra Ewing
>
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Preston,
>>
>> Sabra doesn't know it and I've not ever shared it explicitly in public
> before now, but her negative experiences and their ongoing airing via this
> list were a major source of inspiration for the article Theodor and I
> wrote.
> We believe that there is no reason for a student to fail in statistics
> courses due to their blindness, because there are ways to address the
> seemingly numerous access barriers. We felt that we needed to be the ones
> to
> write the article because we've been through more statistics courses than
> most blind people, we've made it work for us, and now we're both teaching
> statistics in those same settings. Demonstrating our own personal successes
> offers evidence of the value for the sighted world getting off their chuffs
> and helping other blind students. We wrote an article as that is the way to
> reach most academics, speaking to them as equals; we present some
> challenges, but we were not explicit in challenging them by demanding they
> do more. We preferred to show them how they could be helping and let their
> moral compass guide them from that point onwards.
>>
>> The success of a blind person in any discipline will almost certainly
>> rely
> on the successful interaction between student and teacher at a level not
> necessary for the majority of students in the classroom who just so happen
> to be sighted. I accept that in some disciplines this interaction is fairly
> minimal, but in STEM disciplines, we need to put in the extra (often hard)
> yards. Those efforts will be made all the easier if people do share their
> positive experiences, but we ought not lose sight of the more sobering
> reality that comes when things don't go so well.
>>
>> I'm pleased you reached out to the list, as I have been pleased so many
> times over the last ten years, by students, their teachers (less often I
> admit) and disability support staff. In general, I think you will find list
> participants are willing to help and constructive; yes, you might hear some
> things that you don't want to hear or look a little daunting but the bad
> news will usually come with positive suggestions, advice or strategies
> based
> on real experience of success.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Preston
> Davis III via BlindMath
>> Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 3:22 a.m.
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Cc: Preston Davis III
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accommodations and
>> access
>>
>> Well if nothing else, the information is helpful in me presenting ideas
>> to
> those involved in the process; Ignoring the fact that my professor was
> delighted to receive information from such a unique perspective. I'd also
> like to point out I was looking for constructive feedback on my issue, and
> that was really unhelpful in the grand skeme of things. It's comments like
> this that make people hesitate to reach out to others when they are unsure
> or need help.
>>
>> Best
>> PDIII
>>
>>> On 8/10/17, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Jonathan, this person will be lucky if they can get an accessible
> textbook.
>>> I doubt the professors will read any case studies. Hate to be harsh,
>>> but just saying.
>>>
>>> Sabra Ewing
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> As well as the blatant self-promotion of my own work in
>>>>
>>>> A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and M. Theodor Loots. Advice from blind
>>>> teachers on how to teach statistics to blind students. Journal of
>>>> Statistics Education, 23(3):1?28, November 2015.
>>>>
>>>> There is a case study in the preceding issue of the same journal
>>>> which may be of interest to your professors.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Preston Davis III via BlindMath
>>>> Sent: Friday, 11 August 2017 1:02 p.m.
>>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Preston Davis III
>>>> Subject: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and access
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I?m sure what I?m about to ask has been asked somewhere before in
>>>> some fashion, but I couldn?t figure out the search feature. Anyway, I
>>>> have to take calculus and statistics as a requirement for getting
>>>> accepted into business school. I really have no idea what I?m getting
>>>> myself into, and what I?m looking for is, best case, people who have
>>>> taken or teach either of these subject areas to offer some practical
>>>> advice, or accommodation techniques for situations I?ll face in
>>>> either of these areas that I should try out to ensure I have a solid
>>>> grasp of the material. My community college is not the best when it
>>>> comes to providing accommodations, (not for lack of caring though),
>>>> and I don?t think we have the time or money to spend on some
>>>> solutions I?ve heard of. Here?s some helpful information: I am a
>>>> braille reader with access to a windows pc, Jaws, and a braille
>>>> display. My DSS office has a picture in a flash machine but they are
>>>> a little less-than competent in its operation. One potential problem
>>>> I might run in too is that my college uses my math lab by Pearson, for
> homework, and quizzes online.
>>>> While I?m not sure if this is the case for these particular courses,
>>>> in the others I?ve taken it is. I have a meeting with the professor
>>>> of both courses on the seventeenth of august, so I?m trying to get as
>>>> much information as I can before then.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> PDIII
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> BlindMath:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/a.j.godfrey%40
>>>> massey.ac.nz
>>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> BlindMath:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/sabra1023%40gm
>>>> ail.com
>>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindMath:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/prestondavis726
>>> 12%40gmail.com
>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>
>>
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> ac.nz
>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
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>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:36:49 -0500
> From: Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accommodations and
> access
> Message-ID: <CB60D223-7E99-4FA0-8DFA-7D039F8A6C87 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> and for the record, I didn't actually fail statistics.
>
> Sabra Ewing
>
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Preston,
>>
>> Sabra doesn't know it and I've not ever shared it explicitly in public
> before now, but her negative experiences and their ongoing airing via this
> list were a major source of inspiration for the article Theodor and I
> wrote.
> We believe that there is no reason for a student to fail in statistics
> courses due to their blindness, because there are ways to address the
> seemingly numerous access barriers. We felt that we needed to be the ones
> to
> write the article because we've been through more statistics courses than
> most blind people, we've made it work for us, and now we're both teaching
> statistics in those same settings. Demonstrating our own personal successes
> offers evidence of the value for the sighted world getting off their chuffs
> and helping other blind students. We wrote an article as that is the way to
> reach most academics, speaking to them as equals; we present some
> challenges, but we were not explicit in challenging them by demanding they
> do more. We preferred to show them how they could be helping and let their
> moral compass guide them from that point onwards.
>>
>> The success of a blind person in any discipline will almost certainly
>> rely
> on the successful interaction between student and teacher at a level not
> necessary for the majority of students in the classroom who just so happen
> to be sighted. I accept that in some disciplines this interaction is fairly
> minimal, but in STEM disciplines, we need to put in the extra (often hard)
> yards. Those efforts will be made all the easier if people do share their
> positive experiences, but we ought not lose sight of the more sobering
> reality that comes when things don't go so well.
>>
>> I'm pleased you reached out to the list, as I have been pleased so many
> times over the last ten years, by students, their teachers (less often I
> admit) and disability support staff. In general, I think you will find list
> participants are willing to help and constructive; yes, you might hear some
> things that you don't want to hear or look a little daunting but the bad
> news will usually come with positive suggestions, advice or strategies
> based
> on real experience of success.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Preston
> Davis III via BlindMath
>> Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 3:22 a.m.
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Cc: Preston Davis III
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accommodations and
>> access
>>
>> Well if nothing else, the information is helpful in me presenting ideas
>> to
> those involved in the process; Ignoring the fact that my professor was
> delighted to receive information from such a unique perspective. I'd also
> like to point out I was looking for constructive feedback on my issue, and
> that was really unhelpful in the grand skeme of things. It's comments like
> this that make people hesitate to reach out to others when they are unsure
> or need help.
>>
>> Best
>> PDIII
>>
>>> On 8/10/17, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Jonathan, this person will be lucky if they can get an accessible
> textbook.
>>> I doubt the professors will read any case studies. Hate to be harsh,
>>> but just saying.
>>>
>>> Sabra Ewing
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> As well as the blatant self-promotion of my own work in
>>>>
>>>> A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and M. Theodor Loots. Advice from blind
>>>> teachers on how to teach statistics to blind students. Journal of
>>>> Statistics Education, 23(3):1?28, November 2015.
>>>>
>>>> There is a case study in the preceding issue of the same journal
>>>> which may be of interest to your professors.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Preston Davis III via BlindMath
>>>> Sent: Friday, 11 August 2017 1:02 p.m.
>>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Preston Davis III
>>>> Subject: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and access
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I?m sure what I?m about to ask has been asked somewhere before in
>>>> some fashion, but I couldn?t figure out the search feature. Anyway, I
>>>> have to take calculus and statistics as a requirement for getting
>>>> accepted into business school. I really have no idea what I?m getting
>>>> myself into, and what I?m looking for is, best case, people who have
>>>> taken or teach either of these subject areas to offer some practical
>>>> advice, or accommodation techniques for situations I?ll face in
>>>> either of these areas that I should try out to ensure I have a solid
>>>> grasp of the material. My community college is not the best when it
>>>> comes to providing accommodations, (not for lack of caring though),
>>>> and I don?t think we have the time or money to spend on some
>>>> solutions I?ve heard of. Here?s some helpful information: I am a
>>>> braille reader with access to a windows pc, Jaws, and a braille
>>>> display. My DSS office has a picture in a flash machine but they are
>>>> a little less-than competent in its operation. One potential problem
>>>> I might run in too is that my college uses my math lab by Pearson, for
> homework, and quizzes online.
>>>> While I?m not sure if this is the case for these particular courses,
>>>> in the others I?ve taken it is. I have a meeting with the professor
>>>> of both courses on the seventeenth of august, so I?m trying to get as
>>>> much information as I can before then.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> PDIII
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> BlindMath:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/a.j.godfrey%40
>>>> massey.ac.nz
>>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> BlindMath:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/sabra1023%40gm
>>>> ail.com
>>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindMath:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/prestondavis726
>>> 12%40gmail.com
>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>
>>
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> ac.nz
>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
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> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:53:52 +0000
> From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [BlindMath] my personal assurance
> Message-ID:
>
> <D59DA89C3CD73C44A799E7087F8E6A9E20EAF569 at tur-exch-node1.massey.ac.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
> Hello all.
>
> I have never written a case study about anyone, with or without their
> permission, aside from the joint writings by me and Theodor Loots which
> reflect on our own experiences.
>
> Any comment taken from the publicly available archive of this list was
> attributed to the author after seeking their permission. If I couldn't
> track
> that person down then the quote was never used. I have retained a copy of
> that permission as part of my records for the relevant publication, just in
> case an editor asked me for proof.
>
> As an academic who cares deeply about his discipline (nothing unusual in
> that) and as a blind person who seeks the best for all blind people, I will
> continue to use the best resources I have available to make STEM a more
> enjoyable and successful educational experience. I, like many others in the
> STEM disciplines, feel a that we have failed our students if they do not
> finish their course with a successful outcome. For me (and again) many of
> my colleagues, success is not just about a grade at the end of the course
> that indicates some degree of understanding of the content being examined.
> We contend with a large number of students who not have a positive attitude
> towards our subjects, although perhaps it is the compulsory mathematics and
> statistics courses that create much of this negativity. My greatest
> successes as a teacher come when a student with a negative attitude is
> turned onto a subject so much that they continue taking courses in that
> subject. I admit that that this is pretty rare but it has happened for me.
>
> I am encouraged by the contributions of many list participants who show me
> a
> different way to do something or present their positive attitude to life as
> a blind person; I am also motivated to do what I can by reading the
> frustrations expressed by people who can benefit from my help. That's why I
> have remained on this list for more than ten years. I still see the
> occasional post come from good people who have been on the list even
> longer.
> As a consequence, I attribute this list as a major factor in my personal
> and
> professional development
>
> Have a great weekend everyone,
> Jonathan
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:19:33 -0400
> From: David Moore <jesusloves1966 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and
> access
> Message-ID: <598e3b84.0525240a.8f7d9.0b6d at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi!
> I am happy to tell you that I tutor Calculus and Sstatistics on line in my
> on line tutoring business.
> Calculus is not much more than applying algebra to find areas under curves
> and so on. Must of calculus is using formulas which they give you.
> I use Windows 10 on my laptop, and use the following software:
> Math Type along with MS Word. Math Type combined with MS Word, allows me to
> type equations and send them to my clients on line.
> Also, I use LeTeX a lot.
> It is an easy programming like language to type out all math in a text
> editor, and then you can run it through a free LaTeX engion, to convert the
> text file to equations and all that you would find in a math textbook.
> That is how you could type out all of your math to submit to your
> instructors on line.
> Maybe you could get around using the program that they use. If you could
> send your work over an on line service like Dropbox, or Google Drive, that
> might satisfy them.
> Also, for the text books, you could order a book like it on line that would
> be in audio form. You may not be able to get the exact book that they use,
> but one very similar to it. You could do the home work problems out of that
> book, since it would be the same math concepts.
> Book Share, or Learning Ally would have many Calculus and statistics books
> that would be very similar to the book they use, and it would be read to
> you.
> You can right in Braille all of your steps, into the computer, if you have
> a
> Braille display. You could read your work on the Braille display. You could
> use a Braille translator to convert your Braille work into print.
> The key for you to be able to send your math work is LaTeX. Once you
> convert
> your code that you write into a text editor, you can print it out, and it
> will look like you wrote it out yourself.
> However, that is what Math Type does along with MS Word as well.
> I would try Math Type with MS word first, and see if that meets your needs.
> Please email me off list, and I will be able to give you a much better idea
> about how I present my math to people that I tutor on Line.
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Preston Davis III via BlindMath
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:03 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Preston Davis III
> Subject: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and access
>
> Hello all,
>
> I?m sure what I?m about to ask has been asked somewhere before in some
> fashion, but I couldn?t figure out the search feature. Anyway, I have
> to take calculus and statistics as a requirement for getting accepted
> into business school. I really have no idea what I?m getting myself
> into, and what I?m looking for is, best case, people who have taken or
> teach either of these subject areas to offer some practical advice, or
> accommodation techniques for situations I?ll face in either of these
> areas that I should try out to ensure I have a solid grasp of the
> material. My community college is not the best when it comes to
> providing accommodations, (not for lack of caring though), and I don?t
> think we have the time or money to spend on some solutions I?ve heard
> of. Here?s some helpful information: I am a braille reader with access
> to a windows pc, Jaws, and a braille display. My DSS office has a
> picture in a flash machine but they are a little less-than competent
> in its operation. One potential problem I might run in too is that my
> college uses my math lab by Pearson, for homework, and quizzes online.
> While I?m not sure if this is the case for these particular courses,
> in the others I?ve taken it is. I have a meeting with the professor of
> both courses on the seventeenth of august, so I?m trying to get as
> much information as I can before then.
>
> Thanks in advance
> PDIII
>
> _______________________________________________
> BlindMath mailing list
> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindMath:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/jesusloves1966%40gmai
> l.com
> BlindMath Gems can be found at
> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 23:58:21 +0000
> From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accommodations and
> access
> Message-ID:
>
> <D59DA89C3CD73C44A799E7087F8E6A9E20EAF751 at tur-exch-node1.massey.ac.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello all,
>
> I recommend everyone take a look at the content at
> http://access2science.com/indexAccessibility.html
>
> and at the content presented at the NFB Convention last Month in
> particular.
>
> My own material from that week is available at:
> https://r-resources.massey.ac.nz/tutorials/nfb2017/
>
> In particular, I would suggest that when considering your options for
> creating math content, that you look at what LEAN and markdown offer as
> additions to MS Word with MathType or LaTeX.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
> Moore via BlindMath
> Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 11:20 a.m.
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Cc: David Moore
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and access
>
> Hi!
> I am happy to tell you that I tutor Calculus and Sstatistics on line in my
> on line tutoring business.
> Calculus is not much more than applying algebra to find areas under curves
> and so on. Must of calculus is using formulas which they give you.
> I use Windows 10 on my laptop, and use the following software:
> Math Type along with MS Word. Math Type combined with MS Word, allows me to
> type equations and send them to my clients on line.
> Also, I use LeTeX a lot.
> It is an easy programming like language to type out all math in a text
> editor, and then you can run it through a free LaTeX engion, to convert the
> text file to equations and all that you would find in a math textbook.
> That is how you could type out all of your math to submit to your
> instructors on line.
> Maybe you could get around using the program that they use. If you could
> send your work over an on line service like Dropbox, or Google Drive, that
> might satisfy them.
> Also, for the text books, you could order a book like it on line that would
> be in audio form. You may not be able to get the exact book that they use,
> but one very similar to it. You could do the home work problems out of that
> book, since it would be the same math concepts.
> Book Share, or Learning Ally would have many Calculus and statistics books
> that would be very similar to the book they use, and it would be read to
> you.
> You can right in Braille all of your steps, into the computer, if you have
> a
> Braille display. You could read your work on the Braille display. You could
> use a Braille translator to convert your Braille work into print.
> The key for you to be able to send your math work is LaTeX. Once you
> convert
> your code that you write into a text editor, you can print it out, and it
> will look like you wrote it out yourself.
> However, that is what Math Type does along with MS Word as well.
> I would try Math Type with MS word first, and see if that meets your needs.
> Please email me off list, and I will be able to give you a much better idea
> about how I present my math to people that I tutor on Line.
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Preston Davis III via BlindMath
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:03 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Preston Davis III
> Subject: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and access
>
> Hello all,
>
> I?m sure what I?m about to ask has been asked somewhere before in some
> fashion, but I couldn?t figure out the search feature. Anyway, I have to
> take calculus and statistics as a requirement for getting accepted into
> business school. I really have no idea what I?m getting myself into, and
> what I?m looking for is, best case, people who have taken or teach either
> of
> these subject areas to offer some practical advice, or accommodation
> techniques for situations I?ll face in either of these areas that I should
> try out to ensure I have a solid grasp of the material. My community
> college
> is not the best when it comes to providing accommodations, (not for lack of
> caring though), and I don?t think we have the time or money to spend on
> some
> solutions I?ve heard of. Here?s some helpful information: I am a braille
> reader with access to a windows pc, Jaws, and a braille display. My DSS
> office has a picture in a flash machine but they are a little less-than
> competent in its operation. One potential problem I might run in too is
> that
> my college uses my math lab by Pearson, for homework, and quizzes online.
> While I?m not sure if this is the case for these particular courses, in the
> others I?ve taken it is. I have a meeting with the professor of both
> courses
> on the seventeenth of august, so I?m trying to get as much information as I
> can before then.
>
> Thanks in advance
> PDIII
>
> _______________________________________________
> BlindMath mailing list
> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindMath:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/jesusloves1966%40gmai
> l.com
> BlindMath Gems can be found at
> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BlindMath mailing list
> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindMath:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/a.j.godfrey%40massey.
> ac.nz
> BlindMath Gems can be found at
> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 14:20:42 +0530
> From: Tilakprasad Joshi <tilakjoshi1990 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accommodations and
> access
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> Hi Friends,
>
> Can any of you send books in accessible format which will help me to
> prepare for exam like GMAT also known as GMAC exam, or any way of
> getting these books in Braille?
>
> Warm Regards,
> Tilak.
>
> On 8/12/17, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I recommend everyone take a look at the content at
>> http://access2science.com/indexAccessibility.html
>>
>> and at the content presented at the NFB Convention last Month in
>> particular.
>>
>> My own material from that week is available at:
>> https://r-resources.massey.ac.nz/tutorials/nfb2017/
>>
>> In particular, I would suggest that when considering your options for
>> creating math content, that you look at what LEAN and markdown offer as
>> additions to MS Word with MathType or LaTeX.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
>> Moore via BlindMath
>> Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 11:20 a.m.
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Cc: David Moore
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and access
>>
>> Hi!
>> I am happy to tell you that I tutor Calculus and Sstatistics on line in
>> my
>> on line tutoring business.
>> Calculus is not much more than applying algebra to find areas under
>> curves
>> and so on. Must of calculus is using formulas which they give you.
>> I use Windows 10 on my laptop, and use the following software:
>> Math Type along with MS Word. Math Type combined with MS Word, allows me
> to
>> type equations and send them to my clients on line.
>> Also, I use LeTeX a lot.
>> It is an easy programming like language to type out all math in a text
>> editor, and then you can run it through a free LaTeX engion, to convert
> the
>> text file to equations and all that you would find in a math textbook.
>> That is how you could type out all of your math to submit to your
>> instructors on line.
>> Maybe you could get around using the program that they use. If you could
>> send your work over an on line service like Dropbox, or Google Drive,
>> that
>> might satisfy them.
>> Also, for the text books, you could order a book like it on line that
> would
>> be in audio form. You may not be able to get the exact book that they
>> use,
>> but one very similar to it. You could do the home work problems out of
> that
>> book, since it would be the same math concepts.
>> Book Share, or Learning Ally would have many Calculus and statistics
>> books
>> that would be very similar to the book they use, and it would be read to
>> you.
>> You can right in Braille all of your steps, into the computer, if you
>> have
> a
>> Braille display. You could read your work on the Braille display. You
> could
>> use a Braille translator to convert your Braille work into print.
>> The key for you to be able to send your math work is LaTeX. Once you
> convert
>> your code that you write into a text editor, you can print it out, and it
>> will look like you wrote it out yourself.
>> However, that is what Math Type does along with MS Word as well.
>> I would try Math Type with MS word first, and see if that meets your
> needs.
>> Please email me off list, and I will be able to give you a much better
> idea
>> about how I present my math to people that I tutor on Line.
>> David Moore
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: Preston Davis III via BlindMath
>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:03 PM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Preston Davis III
>> Subject: [BlindMath] calculus and statistics accomidations and access
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I?m sure what I?m about to ask has been asked somewhere before in some
>> fashion, but I couldn?t figure out the search feature. Anyway, I have to
>> take calculus and statistics as a requirement for getting accepted into
>> business school. I really have no idea what I?m getting myself into, and
>> what I?m looking for is, best case, people who have taken or teach either
> of
>> these subject areas to offer some practical advice, or accommodation
>> techniques for situations I?ll face in either of these areas that I
>> should
>> try out to ensure I have a solid grasp of the material. My community
> college
>> is not the best when it comes to providing accommodations, (not for lack
> of
>> caring though), and I don?t think we have the time or money to spend on
> some
>> solutions I?ve heard of. Here?s some helpful information: I am a braille
>> reader with access to a windows pc, Jaws, and a braille display. My DSS
>> office has a picture in a flash machine but they are a little less-than
>> competent in its operation. One potential problem I might run in too is
> that
>> my college uses my math lab by Pearson, for homework, and quizzes online.
>> While I?m not sure if this is the case for these particular courses, in
> the
>> others I?ve taken it is. I have a meeting with the professor of both
> courses
>> on the seventeenth of august, so I?m trying to get as much information as
> I
>> can before then.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> PDIII
>>
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