[BlindMath] Questions regarding stats

[Emily Schlenker]

Well, I think the most important thing is to make sure that any PDF of the book is properly tag so that the screen reader reads it in the right order. It is one thing to get a digital book from a publisher, and it is another thing for that book to be accessible with jaws or NVDA. I think it might be better to get with the publisher about possibly obtaining what is called the XML file of the book, which may be more easily read than a PDF. Often the e-book is full of graphics and other things that interfere with a person trying to use a screen reader.  When I took statistics, I used a textbook online and read it and HTML with NVDA.  Of the publisher was Pearson.  Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2019, at 1:52 AM, B Merk-Adam via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Thanks for responses.
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> Student does not read braille.  No nemeth in play. 
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> The issue is reading the textbook with embedded tables and a fair number of boxed inserts within the text.  Textbook is Provided by the college as a pdf or potentially an ebook.
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> Instructor and tutor willing to convert some of the tables into excel.  Instructor and tutor conversant with LaTex but it is new to the student. Will use laTex to produce notes for student and to develop assignments.
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> Is there a setting in jaws which allows jaws to read the greek characters?  Fine when student writes an assignment to insert the greek letters from unicode table but tough to have someone from the disability office replace all the greek letters in the textbook.
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>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> I agree with this message that you received, except I would say that you can use math in though, or if that is too hard, you can just insert the Greek character from the Unicode table on the computer. Doing it as a picture from a PDF will not work. A PDF can be accessible, but I would say it is not the best option. You can easily read a table if you go to Microsoft word and you say insert table. You must do it this way instead of drawing the boxes. Then you can use all the control and arrow keys to go through the table and even fill it out. You can also put your table in Excel. This option is good because you can make formula as easily have it fill in things for you. You can produce math formulas for the student to read the exact same way you would type them into Excel. 
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>> Sabra Ewing
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>>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Emily Schlenker via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> 1.  What is best option for reading text that has embedded insert boxes?  Can have a pdf if text and possibly an e-text. Any PDF must be tagged for accessibility, this can be done with acrobat or even Microsoft word. Not sure about the insert boxes, the student may have to just produce a separate homework outside of the PDF.
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>>> 2.  Best option for utilizing tables? The NVDA screen reader, which is free, seems to read tables very well as long as I have used it.
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>>> 3.  Limited proficiency with jaws.  Jaws not recognizing greek math characters. I always use NVDA when I am doing math, but everything depends on how the content was produced. NVDA will read math produced with math ML.
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>>> 4.  How to produce output for instructor? This can be done with a simple text editor like notepad, but it can be done better with Microsoft word, a piece of software called MathType, an ad on called math player, and the student in question learning laTex. The second option will produce beautiful math that is easily read by the instructor.
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>>> I hope this helps. I know it probably sounds overwhelming. If the student is newly blind, there will have to be a steep learning curve. Does the student read braille?
>>> Good luck,
>>> Emily Schlenker 316-644-4227
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>>>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:34 AM, B Merk-Adam via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>> 1.  What is best option for reading text that has embedded insert boxes?  Can have a pdf if text and possibly an e-text.
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>>>> 2.  Best option for utilizing tables?
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>>>> 3.  Limited proficiency with jaws.  Jaws not recognizing greek math characters.
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>>>> 4.  How to produce output for instructor?
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>>>> Thanks for any assistance...
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