[humanser] Question For The List
james boehm
jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 17 13:02:10 UTC 2017
Hello everyone! I sent the below email right as the convention began so I am sure many of you were quite busy! I wanted to get your feedback and professional experience on the process of being a counselor, The process of finding a site for practicum or internship, and anything else that I may not be thinking about at the moment. Please see the email below and share any wisdom that could benefit the whole group! I hope everyone made it home safely :-) Dear friends,
I hope those who were able to make the convention are enjoying themselves! I wanted to post a question to the group. As a person new to the mental health field, I am sure as I begin my practicum and internships next year, I will encounter issues, situations, that pertain to the site, it’s supervisors supervisors, and advocating for myself as a blind, successful, and independant mental health professional. I met with my department head and the head of the internship/practicum department, and they want to be proactive with me in preparing for my internship and practicum. They want to know what may be some potential barriers, common misconceptions about our abilities, or situations regarding our field that we may encounter as I interview and apply to intern at various sites. I encouraged the department to join the Human Services division, so that all of the department can be educated , not only internally in the department, but also as they advocate for their students in the field. Can you guys please share any experiences, encounters, or barriers and share how you overcame them.I appreciate you in advance for being gracious in your wisdom. I look forward to your responses. Feel free to also write to me directly if you wish at secretary at nfb-tn.org or James.A.Boehm at Vanderbilt.edu.
Your federation brother,
James Alan Boehm
Peabody College of Vanderbilt University
Human Developmental Counseling/Clinical Counseling: M. ED.
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> 4. Thanks To Cheryl And Jeane (james boehm)
> 5. Re: Paperwork (Quinto Sanchez)
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:09:08 -0400
> From: Alexander Castillo <alexandera.castillo at gmail.com>
> To: Human Services Division Mailing List <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [humanser] Paperwork
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> Hi, everyone's intake process is different, for example, I have a
> detailed form which needs to be answered otherwise the client cannot
> move to next step.
>
> However, prior to this step I verify that the client indeed wants
> these services through a directed conversational session. If they do,
> then we move on. If they don?t, that?s ok and we move on.
>
> So, the first step for me, in efficiency is to insure me only due the
> necessary paperwork. That?s the most important step.
>
> The second step is to insure consistency in my unscripted paperwork.
> For example, all of my case notes are formatted the same, even though
> there is no set template just the typical who, when, where?This again
> cuts down on my notes, as I can take down very small bits of
> information and expand on these when I am not with the client, and
> still keep the who, when, where consistent. This has been suggested,
> and I second it. If Braile works, great, I find however, that my
> attention needs to be on conversation so it does not work on my end.
>
> 3. I have clients make a list of their medications. They can either
> read this back or this can be a typed list which I can read or make a
> copy of. Again, I figure they either already needs to have a list like
> this, and most already do. No extra work on my end. If they do not
> have this list, we wait until they do, or they have someone who can
> read it off. I do not touch client medication.
>
> Again, the most important step for me is to not be redundant in my
> paperwork and provide the best documentation possible.
>
>
>
>> On 7/9/17, Ericka via HumanSer <humanser at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> First I am going to profusely apologize for the seemingly confusing
>> response. I had to edit and took three phone calls between starting this and
>> sending.
>>
>> I completely understand where you're coming from Rebecca. Last time ? ?
>> about six years ago now ? ? I did a three-month internship through VR at our
>> local Salvation Army. Well we were not doing mental health assessments, we
>> did have state standard form questions we had to fill out and all data went
>> into the computer. Unfortunately I never solved the computer issues because
>> in that short time I didn't have any cooperation with state workplace
>> adaptation people or vocational rehab to make my computer accessible to me.
>> I also did not have l braille skills. I might have been able to read my
>> Cheat sheet in braille but writing responses wasn't possible. Here's what
>> we did. We had to fill out a state form online so my supervisor helped me
>> create a "cheat sheet" in large print so I could get the required
>> information. Because we tried to get the computer accessible and did not get
>> that resolved I verbally gave her responses to the questions or hand wrote
>> in huge print the answers and my supervisor put them in. We did this after
>> the client/clients left. I noticed when she interviewed she had her computer
>> screen open and filled in as people responded. I thought that was kind of
>> weird but I think it had to do with where the computer had to be more than
>> whether she wanted to have better eye contact or hide behind a computer
>> screen I used a mini cassette recorder, but if you have a victor stream it
>> might work better. Ask permission first of your superior, but explain to
>> each client then ask if you can record things to make sure that you have
>> all the correct information. Because of confidentiality, remind them you you
>> will erase it so that no one else can access the information. It will assist
>> you to do the best job for them as their counselor. I don't know how much
>> time you have between clients to speed up and listen to things to catch up
>> on the computer. I had permission from everyone I interviewed to record. I
>> would think it would be easier to just ask them about medications and
>> medical history. I referred back to them as needed and rewound so I could
>> record over for confidentiality. This way I could make eye contact with the
>> individuals as I made chicken scratch on paper. It help me ask better
>> questions and remember answers. Clients really seem to feel comfortable with
>> someone with a disability. We had both English and Spanish clients. I don't
>> recall if the Spanish-speaking clients felt more comfortable with her not
>> looking at them then the English speaking. I know some cultures don't
>> appreciate eye contact.
>> This would not probably solve my problems now but it got me through
>> temporarily. Keep up on your braille as you transition. I'm sure people on
>> this list would help you learn more.
>>
>> Understanding the speech is more my battle at the moment. Best of luck to
>> you and I hope I've at least given you something to chew on.
>>
>> Hope you are enjoying your weekend Rebecca.
>>
>> Ericka Short
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 05:15:24 -0700
> From: Lisa Irving <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net>
> To: Human Services Division Mailing List <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [humanser] Paperwork
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> On Jul 10, 2017, at 5:09 AM, Alexander Castillo via HumanSer <humanser at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi, everyone's intake process is different, for example, I have a
> detailed form which needs to be answered otherwise the client cannot
> move to next step.
>
> However, prior to this step I verify that the client indeed wants
> these services through a directed conversational session. If they do,
> then we move on. If they don?t, that?s ok and we move on.
>
> So, the first step for me, in efficiency is to insure me only due the
> necessary paperwork. That?s the most important step.
>
> The second step is to insure consistency in my unscripted paperwork.
> For example, all of my case notes are formatted the same, even though
> there is no set template just the typical who, when, where?This again
> cuts down on my notes, as I can take down very small bits of
> information and expand on these when I am not with the client, and
> still keep the who, when, where consistent. This has been suggested,
> and I second it. If Braile works, great, I find however, that my
> attention needs to be on conversation so it does not work on my end.
>
> 3. I have clients make a list of their medications. They can either
> read this back or this can be a typed list which I can read or make a
> copy of. Again, I figure they either already needs to have a list like
> this, and most already do. No extra work on my end. If they do not
> have this list, we wait until they do, or they have someone who can
> read it off. I do not touch client medication.
>
> Again, the most important step for me is to not be redundant in my
> paperwork and provide the best documentation possible.
>
>
>
>> On 7/9/17, Ericka via HumanSer <humanser at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> First I am going to profusely apologize for the seemingly confusing
>> response. I had to edit and took three phone calls between starting this and
>> sending.
>>
>> I completely understand where you're coming from Rebecca. Last time ? ?
>> about six years ago now ? ? I did a three-month internship through VR at our
>> local Salvation Army. Well we were not doing mental health assessments, we
>> did have state standard form questions we had to fill out and all data went
>> into the computer. Unfortunately I never solved the computer issues because
>> in that short time I didn't have any cooperation with state workplace
>> adaptation people or vocational rehab to make my computer accessible to me.
>> I also did not have l braille skills. I might have been able to read my
>> Cheat sheet in braille but writing responses wasn't possible. Here's what
>> we did. We had to fill out a state form online so my supervisor helped me
>> create a "cheat sheet" in large print so I could get the required
>> information. Because we tried to get the computer accessible and did not get
>> that resolved I verbally gave her responses to the questions or hand wrote
>> in huge print the answers and my supervisor put them in. We did this after
>> the client/clients left. I noticed when she interviewed she had her computer
>> screen open and filled in as people responded. I thought that was kind of
>> weird but I think it had to do with where the computer had to be more than
>> whether she wanted to have better eye contact or hide behind a computer
>> screen I used a mini cassette recorder, but if you have a victor stream it
>> might work better. Ask permission first of your superior, but explain to
>> each client then ask if you can record things to make sure that you have
>> all the correct information. Because of confidentiality, remind them you you
>> will erase it so that no one else can access the information. It will assist
>> you to do the best job for them as their counselor. I don't know how much
>> time you have between clients to speed up and listen to things to catch up
>> on the computer. I had permission from everyone I interviewed to record. I
>> would think it would be easier to just ask them about medications and
>> medical history. I referred back to them as needed and rewound so I could
>> record over for confidentiality. This way I could make eye contact with the
>> individuals as I made chicken scratch on paper. It help me ask better
>> questions and remember answers. Clients really seem to feel comfortable with
>> someone with a disability. We had both English and Spanish clients. I don't
>> recall if the Spanish-speaking clients felt more comfortable with her not
>> looking at them then the English speaking. I know some cultures don't
>> appreciate eye contact.
>> This would not probably solve my problems now but it got me through
>> temporarily. Keep up on your braille as you transition. I'm sure people on
>> this list would help you learn more.
>>
>> Understanding the speech is more my battle at the moment. Best of luck to
>> you and I hope I've at least given you something to chew on.
>>
>> Hope you are enjoying your weekend Rebecca.
>>
>> Ericka Short
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> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/humanser_nfbnet.org/peacefulwoman89%40cox.net Alexander, I found your suggestions very helpful. This conversation about paperwork is very timely as I literally just submitted a cover letter and resume for a part-time case manager position with a refugee organization
>
> From Lisa Irving
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 07:46:28 -0500
> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
> To: Human Services Division Mailing List <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [humanser] Accessible DSM
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> Great idea! I do remember VitalSource and it was very good back in
> 2010 so Iimagine it is better now.
>
>> On 7/9/17, Jonathan Franks via HumanSer <humanser at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Jeannie,
>> I think that is an excellent idea. So many of us could benefit from these
>> resources. We will miss you at convention and I will miss our annual coffee
>> date. I hope you feel better soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan franks BSW
>> Secretary
>> National Federation Of The Blind human services division
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Jeannie Massay via HumanSer
>>> <humanser at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> All-
>>>
>>> Rachel Olivero turned me on to a service called Vital Source. The service,
>>> from what I remember, is free. However, you do pay regular price for the
>>> books. Both the DSM 5 and the book that I used for my Clinical Supervision
>>> course are available. The dsM is navigatable by section. There may be far
>>> more accessibility than I know but it works for me.
>>>
>>> Also, I wondered what you guys might think about us setting up a Drop Box
>>> with accessible resources?
>>>
>>> Last, I am unable to attend convention due to medical issues. It breaks my
>>> heart that I will not see you all.
>>>
>>> Yours in the Federation,
>>>
>>> Jeannie
>>>
>>> Jeannie Massay,President
>>> National Federation of the Blind of Oklahoma
>>> 505 Baker Street
>>> Norman, OK 73069
>>> 405-600-0695
>>> jmassay1 at cox.net
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:00:46 -0500
> From: james boehm <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> To: NFB Human Services Services <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [humanser] Thanks To Cheryl And Jeane
> Message-ID: <492D8D1C-A4BE-41EC-9355-A794F19F99DF at gmail.com>
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> Thank you Cheryl for the attachment. It has a great explanation in regards to transportation. I am sorry you are not physically able to attend the convention Jeane. We know you would be there if you could. I think a Dropbox would be a great idea. Our organization, the TN Association of Guide Dog Users, created a Dropbox and Google Drive folder with resources and guides that many have truly appreciated.
> YOur federation brother,
>
>
>
> James Alan Boehm
> Peabody College of Vanderbilt University
> Human Developmental Counseling/Clinical Counseling: M. ED.
>
> Contact Information:
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> Embrace challenges for personal growth! Remember! Circumstances do not mean sentences!
>
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>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:27:42 -0500
> From: "Quinto Sanchez" <sanchezq at prodigy.net>
> To: "'Human Services Division Mailing List'" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [humanser] Paperwork
> Message-ID: <000001d2f999$7540a8d0$5fc1fa70$@prodigy.net>
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> Hi, the first time I did an intake I was going down the list of questions
> having my screen reader read it and then I would repeat it to the client
> typing in their answers one by one. I found out that wasn't going to work
> when it was taking me so long that another counselor with site and more
> experience had to come and take over because I was taking forever. My
> supervisor who had sight said, "I don't even go down the line asking every
> question. She said since I know the form so well I know what is asked and so
> I just engage in conversation with them and through out the conversation I
> ask the questions I know are needed." I tried this and it worked. I would
> then only type in some information during the session and type in the rest
> after the session when I had time.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HumanSer [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca
> Arrowood via HumanSer
> Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 12:56 PM
> To: Miranda B.
> Cc: Rebecca Arrowood; Human Services Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [humanser] Paperwork
>
> I am not a proficient braille reader I know some but not enough to use it
> efficiently. The hand written material basically asked about what allergies
> or medications clients have as well as their personal health and family
> health history and if they have had prior cycle therapy or psychiatry
> services.
>
> Basically I work doing outpatient counseling so we have 45 to 50 minutes
> to complete the entire intake with the client. After that I been complete a
> bio psychosocial right up on the client which is what takes me longer than
> it should.
>
> I am also struggling with asking the right questions during the intake in
> order to come up with a diagnosis by the end of that session. A lot of my
> coworkers just use a paper and pen to take notes during session which is not
> really an option for me.
>
> I do use a screen magnifier but it takes me longer to physically read
> something then to have my reader on my computer read it. It does feel weird
> sometimes having my computer reading and then repeating what it says. I try
> to keep the volume low.
>
> I guess I am just wondering how others complete paperwork especially
> regarding intake sessions.
>
> Thanks,
> Rebecca Arrowood
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>> On Jul 8, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Miranda B. <knownoflove at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rebecca,
>> You mention using a screen reader. Do you also happen to read Braille? If
>> so, could you read what's on your computer via a Braille display, instead
> of
>> repeating what the screen reader is saying? I'm not sure that I would use
>> dictation for the same concern you mentioned--editing. Moreover, I think
>> dictating notes little by little (as you're only given a few seconds per
>> dictation), editing, ETC would extend and not minimize the process.
>> What information is typically handwritten by the clients? Could this
>> information be communicated in a different format (orally, via computer,
>> ETC)? Also, I'm trying to interpret your comment about medication. Are you
>> saying that you need to log their medications? Or, do you need to ensure
>> that your clients' medications are being properly administered?
>> Thanks for the clarification, and have a wonderful weekend!
>>
>> Best wishes, Miranda
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HumanSer [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca
>> Arrowood via HumanSer
>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:29 AM
>> To: JD Townsend via HumanSer <humanser at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Rebecca Arrowood <rmarrowood12 at me.com>
>> Subject: [humanser] Paperwork
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to figure out how to complete paperwork faster. We do not use
> an
>> EMR system but I am able to type my notes and intake reports.
>>
>> I am not sure if dictating my notes would be faster however you still need
>> to proofread that. I know part of my intake report takes time because I
> am
>> having to try to read clients handwriting or guardian their medications
> they
>> are taking
>>
>> I am also trying to figure out how to be more efficient with my intake
>> process. Currently I have an outline in the word and I try to use my
> screen
>> reader to read me the question that I ask the client. Then I try to type
>> their response. For the most part this works for me however I know my
> other
>> coworkers typically take a hand written notes with their intake rather
> than
>> sitting at their computer.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rebecca Arrowood
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 03:03:54 -0700
> From: "Lisa Irving" <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net>
> To: "'Human Services Division Mailing List'" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [humanser] How to participate
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> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'm looking for some suggestions about how to effectively participate in a
> two-day workshop.
>
>
>
> Four years ago I attended an Introduction to Motivational Interviewing
> workshop. The trainer used Keynote and his book was available via some type
> of electronic book download. Fast-forward four years. I want to re-take the
> M. I. workshop. I want to participate more effectively but I'm not sure how
> to handle the packet of class material, Key Note. I'm not sure what
> questions to ask the M. I. concerning the format of his book. The workshop
> is basically in 30 days.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your suggestions.
>
>
>
> From,
>
> Lisa Irving
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 07:30:03 -0400
> From: Cheryl Wade <wadecher at msu.edu>
> To: Lisa Irving via HumanSer <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [humanser] How to participate
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> Greetings,
>
>
> I wonder if, because of the amount of time you have, you could ask for
> an electronic copy of the materials. I took a similar workshop and all
> the materials were sent to participants (after the fact, however,) in
> PDF format.
>
>
> Cheryl Wade
>
>
>> On 7/11/2017 6:03 AM, Lisa Irving via HumanSer wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for some suggestions about how to effectively participate in a
>> two-day workshop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Four years ago I attended an Introduction to Motivational Interviewing
>> workshop. The trainer used Keynote and his book was available via some type
>> of electronic book download. Fast-forward four years. I want to re-take the
>> M. I. workshop. I want to participate more effectively but I'm not sure how
>> to handle the packet of class material, Key Note. I'm not sure what
>> questions to ask the M. I. concerning the format of his book. The workshop
>> is basically in 30 days.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> From,
>>
>> Lisa Irving
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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