[nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food

Hope Paulos hope.paulos at maine.edu
Fri Nov 14 00:20:00 UTC 2008


HiBeth.  I'm not sure how your cafeteria is set up, but if I go 
to the union, the central cafeteria in my college, which is very 
big, I go to the cash register and ask someone to assist me in 
walking around to each station.  Then they'll assist me with 
ringing me up and to find a table.  This cafeteria is really big.  
One big room with another room coming off of that and stairs 
everywhere.  There are balconies to sit  on, too.  It's a nice 
place, but I don't like the size.  Smile.  As far as what the 
woman said, it was uncalled for.  Was that an employee that told 
you this, or merely a student?

Hope and Beignet

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:49:24 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food

>The reason the staff doesn't want to help at peak hours is 
because
>there are less of them doing more work.  The manager e-mailed me 
today
>when I sent him an e-mail.  I e-mailed the location manager 
saying
>what was up, and he said why not sit down and let somene just 
bring it
>to me.  Well, not a bad idea.  But I'll have to let him know if 
it
>appens again.  Honestly, I'm more worried about obtaining my 
basic
>needs right about now.  But I could get my own tray, but then I'd 
have
>to carry it around all day.  But then there's this one lady who 
said
>the staff isn't paid to serve a blind customer.  I mean, not in 
that
>manner we're talking about.  I didn't appreciate the woman's 
comments
>as much as I don't appreciate bad service or help forthousands of
>dollars in a meal plan contract, even though Florida's Division 
of
>Blind Services sponsors it.  It's still thousands of taxpayer 
dollars
>going into MY meal plan.
>Beth

>On 11/13/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Honestly, I don't see why the staff doesn't wanna help you.  I 
don't mean to
>> say they owe you anything, but I even got help carrying my food 
in college.
>> The trays they had there were simply too big for my really small 
hands.  I
>> think some of the staff weren't too into the idea at first, but 
then, the
>> managers got everybody on board.  I realize now, I could've 
bought my own
>> tray before going to college, but I guess I felt orienting to 
campus and
>> dealing with hiring and firing readers was more important than 
trying to
>> deal with the cafeteria scene.

>> Serena


>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food


>>> Good idea.  I'll have to go sometime, but how do I deal with the 
staff
>>> problem now whle I don't have a tray?
>>> Beth

>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Beth,

>>>> If you want to shop at Walmart or somewhere paratransit is not a 
good
>>>> idea
>>>> since they can be unreliable keeping you waiting or come before 
your are
>>>> finished shopping.

>>>> I'd suggest getting a ride.  Much easier said than done.  I had 
that
>>>> problem
>>>> too.  But ask around.  Ask your hall mates.  Ask your roommate 
if she
>>>> drives.  Any friendly faculty or staff?  Once or twice a nice 
nursing
>>>> faculty member gave me a ride to the mall.  If you do get a ride 
offer to
>>>> pay gas or something for it.

>>>> Ashley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food


>>>>> Good idea.  However, I have a problem with the paratransit bus
>>>>> service.  Since I live in a dorm, I can't necessarily designate 
a
>>>>> place for the paratransit driver to pick me up.  Worse, I have 
to wait
>>>>> an hour more than necessary for them to pick me back up.  Hence, 
my
>>>>> friend and I have nicknamed it "dial-a-wait."
>>>>> Beth

>>>>> On 11/12/08, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Beth,

>>>>>> What about paratransite?  I have a friend who schedules them to 
take
>>>>>> him to a particular place, and then pick him up in their next 
window
>>>>>> of opportunity.
>>>>>> Courtney

>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Good thinking, Heather.  Trick is to get someone with a car to 
bring
>>>>>>> me down there.
>>>>>>> Beth

>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, H.  Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Beth,
>>>>>>>> Take your own tray to the dining hall with you.

>>>>>>>> Places like Walmart have a huge array of tray choices, many of 
them
>>>>>>>> value for money.  Spend half an hour choosing the inexpensive 
tray
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> would most fit your needs.  Then, simply take your own tray with 
you
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> all of your meals in the dining-hall.  This will improve your 
ability
>>>>>>>> to be independent and will lessen the ability of others to 
impact
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> day.

>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>> Heather Field
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food


>>>>>>>> Thank God I found this e-mail, Arielle.  I'm having a huge 
problem
>>>>>>>> with staff at my dining hall who are not willing to help me get 
my
>>>>>>>> food or serve myself.  Since I have to hold a cane in my right 
hand
>>>>>>>> and since they don't have trays and since the stations are mre 
than
>>>>>>>> one and helter-skelter and since nobody taught me how to 
maneuver
>>>>>>>> around that big cafeteria, I'm blown away by how rude the staff 
has
>>>>>>>> behaved lately.  During peak hours, I'd walk in and say that I 
needed
>>>>>>>> some help, and nobody helps out.  Their excuse?  Short staff.  I
>>>>>>>> spoke
>>>>>>>> to a few people on the matter, and since the cafeteria people 
aren't
>>>>>>>> willing to help, they say I should talk to a manager about this.  
I
>>>>>>>> wish I could see now so that I could serve myself and not have 
to
>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>> a cane in my right hand and not have to be so precise with 
holding
>>>>>>>> stand-alone bowls and stuff.
>>>>>>>> Beth

>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>>>>>> With serving food as a blind person there are two issues.  The  
first
>>>>>>>>> is knowing what you're dishing out without seeing it, and the 
second
>>>>>>>>> is properly maneuvering the food with the utensils from the 
serving
>>>>>>>>> container to your  plate and ensuring that you are dishing up an
>>>>>>>>> appropriate  amount.

>>>>>>>>> To resolve the first issue, since touching is not really an 
option,
>>>>>>>>> the best thing is to get information--either from people ahead 
of
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> in the buffet line  or  from whomever is serving the 
food/setting up
>>>>>>>>> the buffet.  Obviously once you've learned the  order of the 
buffet
>>>>>>>>> once,  it'll be easier to go back and serve  oneself 
independently
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>  second time  around.  When serving "family-style"  and passing
>>>>>>>>> dishes
>>>>>>>>> around the table,  this problem is virtually nonexistent since 
it's
>>>>>>>>> easy to find  out  what someone has passed  you before serving
>>>>>>>>> yourself from it.

>>>>>>>>> The second issue, though, is one that does take practice to 
overcome
>>>>>>>>> especially for those of us who  were not expected to serve 
ourselves
>>>>>>>>> growing  up.  I wasn't really expected to do it at all until I 
was a
>>>>>>>>> teenager, which  caused  me to struggle a bit with the mechanics 
of
>>>>>>>>> maneuvering  the food and  gauging the portion size.  I improved 
at
>>>>>>>>> this  a lot when I was in training at  the Louisiana  Center 
where
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> had to serve ourselves in a buffet line (with sleepshades  on)
>>>>>>>>> whenever someone prepared their final cooking project (a meal 
for
>>>>>>>>> forty).  Like others  have said, operating the utensils 
correctly
>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>> take practice and trial and error.  A training center is a great
>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>> to develop this skill because everyone else is practicing, too, 
and
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> there's  not  as much pressure to do it exactly right or move
>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>> through the line.  You can also  practice by  cooking yourself
>>>>>>>>> something and transferring some of it from one  container to
>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>> (even if  it's just Ramen or  Easy Mac).

>>>>>>>>> To gauge portion sizes  I've used two techniques.  One is  to 
feel
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> much weight I've added to  my  plate  or  bowl and how the 
weight is
>>>>>>>>> distributed.  The other,  if it's  hot or steaming food that  
I'm
>>>>>>>>> serving, is to hold my hand a little above the  plate/bowl and  
feel
>>>>>>>>> how much heat is rising from the food  and how far  it is 
spreading.
>>>>>>>>> If I don't have enough food, there won't be much heat and it'll 
be
>>>>>>>>> confined to one little spot instead of spreading across a wide 
area.

>>>>>>>>> One more thing that hasn't come  up yet is the  proper way to 
serve
>>>>>>>>> soup, stew, etc.  with a ladel.  I used to have the toughest 
time with
>>>>>>>>> this  until I went to the center and figured  out what my 
problem
>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>> Because ladels have a sharp curve in the middle, when I was 
holding
>>>>>>>>> the  handle straight, the bowl part of the ladel was actually
>>>>>>>>> tipped
>>>>>>>>> and I was spilling stuff before I could get it in the bowl.  I 
had to
>>>>>>>>> figure out how to angle the handle (so it felt crooked) but the 
bowl
>>>>>>>>> was actually facing straight up.  I think other  blind  people 
have
>>>>>>>>> been fooled by this deceptive handle as well which is why I 
bring it
>>>>>>>>> up.  You can practice this by playing  with an  empty ladel 
(like
>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>> you are doing dishes) and hold  the bowl in your non-dominant 
hand
>>>>>>>>> while  you  angle the handle with your dominant one.  Bend the 
handle
>>>>>>>>> until you can feel that the  bowl is  facing straight up (even
>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>> the handle will feel crooked) and then try to remember the angle
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> you are serving things with the ladel.

>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>> Arielle


>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I pretty much use the same type of bowl, what we Italians call a
>>>>>>>>>> maccaroni
>>>>>>>>>> bowl, so i usually just put as much maccaroni in there as will 
fit.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>> to eat! lol  Meat is trickier, but I usually have only one piece 
of
>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>> anyhow.


>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food


>>>>>>>>>> Serena, this may sound like a slightly silly question, but do 
you
>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> an appropriate portion size is by weight, etc, or by how many
>>>>>>>>>> ladle-fulls,
>>>>>>>>>> spoon-fulls, etc? I have never really wanted to do that because 
I
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> want to slowly anybody down or look awkward, etc.  But I agree 
it is
>>>>>>>>>> important...
>>>>>>>>>> Harry

>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 6:47 PM

>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry

>>>>>>>>>> I always serve my own food at home with immidate family.  I 
think
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> important to learn that skill.  At family gatherings and on 
buffet
>>>>>>>>>> lines,
>>>>>>>>>> however, others do it for me cause we're all having pretty much 
the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> things.  Even at State Convention this weekend, there was a 
survor
>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> breakfast buffet to everyone.


>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>>> <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food


>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> With the holidays coming up, here's an interesting point for
>>>>>>>>>> discussion.

>>>>>>>>>> At family gatherings, or perhaps even at home with immediate
>>>>>>>>>> family, do
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> serve your own plate or do you have someone else serve the plate
>>>>>>>>>> for you?

>>>>>>>>>> As for me, I have always had someone else always serve my plate 
at
>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>> gatherings and at home with my family, for that matter, simply
>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> quicker and there is less risk of spilling, etc.  I am, however,
>>>>>>>>>> reminded
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> importance of being comfortable with this task by my Costa Rica
>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>> host mother told me what was where and even made sure I knew 
where
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>> spoon was--but I was not comfortable at 20 years old to serve my
>>>>>>>>>> own plate
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> had to ask her to serve the plate for me.  This, then, set up a
>>>>>>>>>> precedent
>>>>>>>>>> that as
>>>>>>>>>> a blind person I needed help with getting food.
>>>>>>>>>> 'm interested in hearing ohter thoughts.  And if we serve 
ourselves
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> home/at family gatherings, I then have to ask what is so 
diferent
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> buffets,
>>>>>>>>>> especially if you're with someone else and they're getting rice,
>>>>>>>>>> chicken, potatoes, etc.  and it's likely you would want some of 
the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> things.

>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts to consider.

>>>>>>>>>> Harry

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