[nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
Beth
thebluesisloose at gmail.com
Fri Nov 14 12:21:24 UTC 2008
YOu might be right, Peter. However, we don't have trays at the dining
hall as I've said, and it's very crowded during peak hours. I like it
better when a friend is with me that I can actually trusdt.
Beth
On 11/13/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> I would respectfully disagree with the comment that Serena's friend
> Anthony made about having others bring food to you. For me there's
> something really good about going to get my own food even if someone
> is with me to help me find stuff or carry it. It's not just about
> proving yourself or making a point to someone else that I can do it.
> It's that I want to be there to decide what's going to end up on my
> plate. If I let someone else do it for me, no matter how nice and
> trustworthy they may be, people make mistakes. I don't want to leave
> it up to someone else to remember that I like meat loaf and don't
> like pork chops, or that I really love spaghetti and will go crazy
> when that's on the buffet but I'd prefer a more moderate portion
> when it's fried chicken. I also want the freedom to decide on the spot
> how much of each food I want when it's right in front of me and I know
> what my other choices are.
>
> This is the same reason why they teach us at NFB training centers
> to always put the food in the cart ourselves when we shop with
> customer service assistance. It's not that we want to be
> anal-retentive about independence. It's that we want to be sure we're
> spending our money on the items we actually want and not being
> accidentally given the gigantic container of fruit that we'll never
> eat, for instance, instead of the medium-sized portion that we
> actually want to buy.
>
> Beyond the more pragmatic concern, there's something really cool
> about going to a party or other social activity with sighted peers
> and walking around freely and getting your own stuff. I spent most of
> my childhood not knowing what that was like because most people
> expected me to stay in one place and be helped by the sighted people
> around me because that was "easier" in their eyes. Recently as I
> have learned so much from the NFB members around me, I have begun to
> assert my independence more and more in these kinds of situations
> and to put myself out there as an independent blind person from the
> get-go when I meet new people. When I go to a party now and walk
> around freely, people expect me to be pretty much like everyone else
> and it makes it that much easier to socialize with them as an equal.
> That doesn't mean I don't occasionally use sighted guide or enlist
> assistance from others, but I really enjoy having the control to
> decide when and how I want to be assisted.
>
> I can't overemphasize the value of spending some time at one of our
> training centers, and going to our national conventions and other NFB
> events, where blind people do these kinds of things on an everyday
> basis. These are the best places to really see how others handle
> these tough situations, and to get the real-world education and
> practice that will ultimately make them less tough and more rewarding.
>
> Cheers
> Arielle
>
>
> On 11/14/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It was an employee who said they don't get paid to help a blind
>> customer. ell, they should be paid to help customers, all of them,
>> not just cook and wash dishes.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Hope,
>>>
>>> I do that too. I ask an employee to assist me in walking around to the
>>> stations. My cafeteria is not as big as yours but its nice. They have
>>> table cloths there and napkin holders on the tables. The chairs are some
>>> of
>>> the most comfortable on campus, much better than what we have in class.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>
>>>
>>>> HiBeth. I'm not sure how your cafeteria is set up, but if I go to the
>>>> union, the central cafeteria in my college, which is very big, I go to
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> cash register and ask someone to assist me in walking around to each
>>>> station. Then they'll assist me with ringing me up and to find a table.
>>>> This cafeteria is really big. One big room with another room coming off
>>>> of that and stairs everywhere. There are balconies to sit on, too.
>>>> It's
>>>>
>>>> a nice place, but I don't like the size. Smile. As far as what the
>>>> woman
>>>>
>>>> said, it was uncalled for. Was that an employee that told you this, or
>>>> merely a student?
>>>>
>>>> Hope and Beignet
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:49:24 -0500
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>
>>>>>The reason the staff doesn't want to help at peak hours is
>>>> because
>>>>>there are less of them doing more work. The manager e-mailed me
>>>> today
>>>>>when I sent him an e-mail. I e-mailed the location manager
>>>> saying
>>>>>what was up, and he said why not sit down and let somene just
>>>> bring it
>>>>>to me. Well, not a bad idea. But I'll have to let him know if
>>>> it
>>>>>appens again. Honestly, I'm more worried about obtaining my
>>>> basic
>>>>>needs right about now. But I could get my own tray, but then I'd
>>>> have
>>>>>to carry it around all day. But then there's this one lady who
>>>> said
>>>>>the staff isn't paid to serve a blind customer. I mean, not in
>>>> that
>>>>>manner we're talking about. I didn't appreciate the woman's
>>>> comments
>>>>>as much as I don't appreciate bad service or help forthousands of
>>>>>dollars in a meal plan contract, even though Florida's Division
>>>> of
>>>>>Blind Services sponsors it. It's still thousands of taxpayer
>>>> dollars
>>>>>going into MY meal plan.
>>>>>Beth
>>>>
>>>>>On 11/13/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Honestly, I don't see why the staff doesn't wanna help you. I
>>>> don't mean to
>>>>>> say they owe you anything, but I even got help carrying my food
>>>> in college.
>>>>>> The trays they had there were simply too big for my really small
>>>> hands. I
>>>>>> think some of the staff weren't too into the idea at first, but
>>>> then, the
>>>>>> managers got everybody on board. I realize now, I could've
>>>> bought my own
>>>>>> tray before going to college, but I guess I felt orienting to
>>>> campus and
>>>>>> dealing with hiring and firing readers was more important than
>>>> trying to
>>>>>> deal with the cafeteria scene.
>>>>
>>>>>> Serena
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:43 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Good idea. I'll have to go sometime, but how do I deal with the
>>>> staff
>>>>>>> problem now whle I don't have a tray?
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want to shop at Walmart or somewhere paratransit is not a
>>>> good
>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>> since they can be unreliable keeping you waiting or come before
>>>> your are
>>>>>>>> finished shopping.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd suggest getting a ride. Much easier said than done. I had
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>> too. But ask around. Ask your hall mates. Ask your roommate
>>>> if she
>>>>>>>> drives. Any friendly faculty or staff? Once or twice a nice
>>>> nursing
>>>>>>>> faculty member gave me a ride to the mall. If you do get a ride
>>>> offer to
>>>>>>>> pay gas or something for it.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:34 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good idea. However, I have a problem with the paratransit bus
>>>>>>>>> service. Since I live in a dorm, I can't necessarily designate
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> place for the paratransit driver to pick me up. Worse, I have
>>>> to wait
>>>>>>>>> an hour more than necessary for them to pick me back up. Hence,
>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> friend and I have nicknamed it "dial-a-wait."
>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What about paratransite? I have a friend who schedules them to
>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>> him to a particular place, and then pick him up in their next
>>>> window
>>>>>>>>>> of opportunity.
>>>>>>>>>> Courtney
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Good thinking, Heather. Trick is to get someone with a car to
>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>> me down there.
>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, H. Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Beth,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Take your own tray to the dining hall with you.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Places like Walmart have a huge array of tray choices, many of
>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>> value for money. Spend half an hour choosing the inexpensive
>>>> tray
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> would most fit your needs. Then, simply take your own tray with
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> all of your meals in the dining-hall. This will improve your
>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be independent and will lessen the ability of others to
>>>> impact
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather Field
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank God I found this e-mail, Arielle. I'm having a huge
>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>> with staff at my dining hall who are not willing to help me get
>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> food or serve myself. Since I have to hold a cane in my right
>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>> and since they don't have trays and since the stations are mre
>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>> one and helter-skelter and since nobody taught me how to
>>>> maneuver
>>>>>>>>>>>> around that big cafeteria, I'm blown away by how rude the staff
>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> behaved lately. During peak hours, I'd walk in and say that I
>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>>>>> some help, and nobody helps out. Their excuse? Short staff. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> spoke
>>>>>>>>>>>> to a few people on the matter, and since the cafeteria people
>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to help, they say I should talk to a manager about this.
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> wish I could see now so that I could serve myself and not have
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane in my right hand and not have to be so precise with
>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>> stand-alone bowls and stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With serving food as a blind person there are two issues. The
>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is knowing what you're dishing out without seeing it, and the
>>>> second
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is properly maneuvering the food with the utensils from the
>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> container to your plate and ensuring that you are dishing up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate amount.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resolve the first issue, since touching is not really an
>>>> option,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best thing is to get information--either from people ahead
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the buffet line or from whomever is serving the
>>>> food/setting up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the buffet. Obviously once you've learned the order of the
>>>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> once, it'll be easier to go back and serve oneself
>>>> independently
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> second time around. When serving "family-style" and passing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the table, this problem is virtually nonexistent since
>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to find out what someone has passed you before serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself from it.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second issue, though, is one that does take practice to
>>>> overcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially for those of us who were not expected to serve
>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing up. I wasn't really expected to do it at all until I
>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> teenager, which caused me to struggle a bit with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanics
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maneuvering the food and gauging the portion size. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved
>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this a lot when I was in training at the Louisiana Center
>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to serve ourselves in a buffet line (with sleepshades on)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whenever someone prepared their final cooking project (a meal
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forty). Like others have said, operating the utensils
>>>> correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take practice and trial and error. A training center is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to develop this skill because everyone else is practicing, too,
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's not as much pressure to do it exactly right or move
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the line. You can also practice by cooking yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something and transferring some of it from one container to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even if it's just Ramen or Easy Mac).
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To gauge portion sizes I've used two techniques. One is to
>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much weight I've added to my plate or bowl and how the
>>>> weight is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. The other, if it's hot or steaming food that
>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving, is to hold my hand a little above the plate/bowl and
>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much heat is rising from the food and how far it is
>>>> spreading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't have enough food, there won't be much heat and it'll
>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confined to one little spot instead of spreading across a wide
>>>> area.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more thing that hasn't come up yet is the proper way to
>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>> soup, stew, etc. with a ladel. I used to have the toughest
>>>> time with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this until I went to the center and figured out what my
>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because ladels have a sharp curve in the middle, when I was
>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handle straight, the bowl part of the ladel was actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tipped
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I was spilling stuff before I could get it in the bowl. I
>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out how to angle the handle (so it felt crooked) but the
>>>> bowl
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was actually facing straight up. I think other blind people
>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been fooled by this deceptive handle as well which is why I
>>>> bring it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. You can practice this by playing with an empty ladel
>>>> (like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are doing dishes) and hold the bowl in your non-dominant
>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while you angle the handle with your dominant one. Bend the
>>>> handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> until you can feel that the bowl is facing straight up (even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handle will feel crooked) and then try to remember the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> angle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are serving things with the ladel.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pretty much use the same type of bowl, what we Italians call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maccaroni
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bowl, so i usually just put as much maccaroni in there as will
>>>> fit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to eat! lol Meat is trickier, but I usually have only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyhow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Serena, this may sound like a slightly silly question, but do
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an appropriate portion size is by weight, etc, or by how many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ladle-fulls,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon-fulls, etc? I have never really wanted to do that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to slowly anybody down or look awkward, etc. But I agree
>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 6:47 PM
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always serve my own food at home with immidate family. I
>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important to learn that skill. At family gatherings and on
>>>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, others do it for me cause we're all having pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. Even at State Convention this weekend, there was a
>>>> survor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breakfast buffet to everyone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the holidays coming up, here's an interesting point for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At family gatherings, or perhaps even at home with immediate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family, do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve your own plate or do you have someone else serve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for me, I have always had someone else always serve my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gatherings and at home with my family, for that matter, simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quicker and there is less risk of spilling, etc. I am,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> importance of being comfortable with this task by my Costa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rica
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host mother told me what was where and even made sure I knew
>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon was--but I was not comfortable at 20 years old to serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to ask her to serve the plate for me. This, then, set up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precedent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a blind person I needed help with getting food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'm interested in hearing ohter thoughts. And if we serve
>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home/at family gatherings, I then have to ask what is so
>>>> diferent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buffets,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially if you're with someone else and they're getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chicken, potatoes, etc. and it's likely you would want some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts to consider.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>
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