[nabs-l] An Article about another Student at Myy College
Josh Gregory
joshkart12 at gmail.com
Sun May 8 21:13:06 UTC 2011
Hi,
I think we * can * be equal with the proper training as others
have said. And, even though I am in a wheelchair, I will strive
to be as independent as I can possibly be. I may not always like
it, but that's life.
Josh
sent from my Apex
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From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
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Date sent: Sun, 08 May 2011 17:04:57 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Article about another Student at Myy
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Kirt,
I think that if we decide to conclude that we will never be truly
equal
even with training based on the setbacks we experience, we've
basically
doomed ourselves to a kind of learned helplessness. Instead, I'd
rather
focus my energy on the intrensic value of blind people in society
and
our intrensic equality with the sighted because that's the
philosophy
that propels me to find solutions to the setbacks we do face and
to
gather the necessary cooperation from both the blind and the
sighted to
make them work. I think that's what Jacobus tenbroek did when he
got
the NFB started. Seems how it worked for him and the loads of
leaders
that have come after, I think I'll repeat this successful action.
Respectfully,
Jedi
Original message:
Jedi,
(there are a lot of people I could reply to but I want to talk
to
Jedi right now),
Fair enough-there are certainly other disabilities, both
personal or
circumstancial, that are as limiting as blindness is without
training-what does that have to do with blindness making us
unable to
perform on an equal level as the rest of the world without
training
and opportunity? I mean, sure there are plenty of other
limiting
factors in life, what does that have to do with blindness being
or not
being a limiting factor?
Josh-helpless is bad. I think we all agree on that here. But
I
still say we're not equal with the sighted world, in terms of
capability, without propper training. And, I'd submit, even
with
propper training, blindness is stil a disability and, as such,
will
always cause problems here and there although they would be more
inconveniences than drastic debilitating issues.
Just my thoughts,
Kirt
On 5/7/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, can you explain that? I find it interesting. Your thought,
I mean. Feel free to write offlist if you want.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 May 2011 20:19:57 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Article about another Student at Myy
College
Or perhaps whatever god you believe in knows you can't write
your
insights
down so, taking a page from the Devil, inspires all sorts of
universally
true and enlightening insights a la Firmat's Theorem that will
vanish into
thin air in the morning. (grin)
Mike
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Of Josh Gregory
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:09 PM
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College
Um... maybe Cause your mind is more relaxed? You don't have to
think about
much so you can think more clearly? IDK. Just my late-night
thoughts...
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 May 2011 20:06:13 -0700
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College
Lol, yes. Why is it that everything comes to you when you are
in
bed?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Article about another Student at Myy
College
Yeah, I'd say so. But I was thinking a while ago and realized
that there
are loads of cases where training is required in order to
function, not
just blindness. I can't remember what specific examples I
thought of at
the time, but I'm sure they'll hit me at some God-forsaken hour
of the
night.
Respectfully,
JEdi
Original message:
Jedi,
Maybe it'll makemore sense if I say it this way. I wasn't
refering
to a person's intrinsic value. I should've said we can't
compete on
an equal level by default. I'm going to invert a statement
you've
heard a billion times. Without propper training and
opportunity,
blindness is a great deal more than a mere nuisence, and is, in
fact,
a very significant limitation. Would you agree?
Best regards,
Kirt
On 5/7/11, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
I think I know him too. We got our guide dogs at the same time
back in
2004.
I remember Matt really loved baseball at the time, and he was
always
playing
outside with his dad. I couldn't really speak English at the
time and we
were very young, so I don't think we got to talk much.
Actually, when
they
were matching dogs with owners he got assigned my current guide
dog, but
Matt walked too slow for the dog, or maybe it was the dog
walking too
fast
:). But the fact is that I ended up with that dog, which is
still
working
wonderfully! I was always walking a little faster than the dog
they
assigned
me at first, so it worked out very well. I guess that's the
advantage of
instructors having a huge pool of trained dogs to choose from
for each
person.
IC
On May 6, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Jedi wrote:
I believe Matt Cooper participated in Youth Slam 2007. I met
him and
was
quite impressed with him just because he was a down-to-earth
kind of
guy
who didn't toot his own horn to much. He was an all-around
good
kid.
I really liked the title the school gives to its DSS office.
It
makes
so
much sense and isn't euphemistic at all. "Office for
Accessible
Education." I think I might suggest that to my school.
Respectfully,
Jedi
Original message:
What do you guys think of this?
http://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/05/04/seeing-it-through/
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