[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sat May 21 12:14:16 UTC 2011

If only, Dr. Nemeth, could post here!
I hope he's doing well.
Has anyone heard from him?
If so, please contact me, off list.
Thanks, Joshua

On 5/21/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
> I am not saying that Nemeth should be replaced, but I do feel that people
> need to realize that the Nemeth Code itself replaced what was called the
> Taylor
> Code in the 1950's and it was a pretty complete change.  From what I know
> about the Taylor code, it was not as complete as is Nemeth, so it seemed to
> be a good move.  The point is that we had to go through a significant change
> and we made it.  Any change should not be made lightly, though, and we
> need to learn as much as we can about any change before supporting or
> opposing it.  We also need to understand what is happening in print as well.
>  I
> am not a person who believes braille has to reflect print exactly, but there
> are things that happen in print that play a role in education, particularly,
> that
> didn't happen fifty years ago.  I have also traditionally opposed changing
> braille just to make it easier to translate using a computer, but I think
> that this now
> plays a larger role with refreshable braille displays and access to
> untranslated electronic texts.  This all goes beyond Nemeth Code itself,
> though.  There
> are things that might be done that are less aggressive than a unified code
> like UEB or NUBS, I don't claim to be an expert there.  I simply don't think
> we
> should oppose something because it is change, nor should we embrace
> something simply because it is new.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2011 01:39:43 -0400, Josh Gregory wrote:
>
>>People have talked about losing Nemeth as far as I understand it.
>>That, (JMHO) will not happen.  We as blind people have become so
>>used to it, that, if another code were to be introduced, as
>>others have rightfully said, it'd take a while for it to be
>>adopted, as well as for us to learn it.  So I don't think Nemeth
>>will vanish and I like it more than UEB because it has more of
>>what I'm used to, contractions.  While I * could * learn and use
>>it, for me, Nemeth is the way to go.
>>Josh
>
>>sent from my Apex
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 00:25:40 -0500
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>>Hi Chris,
>>I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In
>>print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In
>>braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
>>letters depending on context.  The unified system would
>>theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to determine
>>what a text says, making it more like print.
>
>>The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
>>learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
>>and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
>>rather clunky and unwieldy.
>
>>I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code
>>would be better than the current systems used.  But having one
>>code does seem like it might simplify things.
>
>>Just my thoughts,
>>Greg
>
>>On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, -ris Nusbaum wrote:
>
>> Hi Greg,
>
>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
>>don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
>>literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
>>different symbols for different operations in math than they are
>>in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
>>affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
>
>> Chris
>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>>motto)
>
>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
>>code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
>>literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
>>by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
>>not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
>>I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
>>here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
>>can be improved and better used in general though.
>
>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
>>unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
>>integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
>>challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
>>code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
>>mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
>
>> -Greg
>
>
>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>
>
>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the
>>main
>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
>>Algebra.
>
>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>> To: NABS-L
>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
>>general.  What
>> about the future of Nemeth?
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