[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Kirt Manwaring kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Sun May 22 05:23:59 UTC 2011 

I hate -put} brl b I use x all ! "t  *smile*

On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Um...  can you explain that one? Personally, I find it useable.
> Even though I hate having to type it into web sites.
> Josh
>
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>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 21:31:34 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
> Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home"
> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>  *NO.*
>  Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer
> Braille and Nemeth is the very reason that I started this thread.
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:29 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>
>  Well,
>  could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer
> braille?
>  Make it just one code?
>
>
>
>  On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>
>  Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille, such
> a goal is a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers
> are used that the code becomes unwieldy.
>
>  Mike Freeman
>  sent from my iPhone
>
>
>  On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi Chris,
>  I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.
> In print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.
> In braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
> letters depending on context.  The unified system would
> theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to determine
> what a text says, making it more like print.
>
>  The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
> learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
> and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
> rather clunky and unwieldy.
>
>  I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified
> code would be better than the current systems used.  But having
> one code does seem like it might simplify things.
>
>  Just my thoughts,
>  Greg
>
>  On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, 횂ris Nusbaum wrote:
>
>  Hi Greg,
>
>  My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
> don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
> literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
> different symbols for different operations in math than they are
> in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
> affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
>
>  Chris
>
>  "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
> motto)
>
>  --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>  Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
> code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
> literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
> by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
> not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
> I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
> here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
> can be improved and better used in general though.
>
>  As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
> unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
> integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
> challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
> code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
> mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
>
>  -Greg
>
>
>  On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>  i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>  I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>  changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>  Nemeth Code will stay around!
>  I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>  Blessings, Joshua
>
>
>  On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>  I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the
> main
>  reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
> Algebra.
>
>  On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>  It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>
>  Mike
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>  Behalf
>  Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>  Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>  To: NABS-L
>  Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>  Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
> general.  What
>  about the future of Nemeth?
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