[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Tue May 24 16:15:47 UTC 2011

Oh I see, Jorge. :)
Josh

On 5/23/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh LOL.
> No,
> I typed that message out in braile.
> 6 means capital, etc.
> Its a regular message but it was written in braille, kinda like Curt's
> computer braille writing.
>
>
> On May 22, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Josh Gregory wrote:
>
>> Jorge, uh...  I'd say that was bets for the Preekness (haha I cannot even
>> spell it) but I don't think that's how they go.  If you want I'll look it
>> up and write you offlist.
>> Josh
>>
>> sent from my Apex
>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:46:09 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> 6 24 2345'234 135 13.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 22, 2011, at 1:52 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>
>> "! was ? "o "t I op5$ a brf file 9 notepad, & x look$ "s?+ l ?...I'll
>> stop now, sorry.
>>
>> On 5/21/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Not quite.  He was writing in the Grade 2 dot combinations in the Computer
>> Braille context, hence the context part.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Josh Gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>>
>> Me too, it was: I hate computer braille but I use it all the
>> time, and he was typing in computer braille.
>> Josh
>>
>> sent from my Apex
>> Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:37:17 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Hahaha.  If anyone did not get that, I can explain.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>>
>> I hate -put} brl b I use x all ! "t  *smile*
>>
>> On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Um...  can you explain that one? Personally, I find it useable.
>> Even though I hate having to type it into web sites.
>> Josh
>>
>> sent from my Apex
>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 21:31:34 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home"
>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>> *NO.*
>> Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer
>> Braille and Nemeth is the very reason that I started this
>> thread.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
>> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>>
>> Well,
>> could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer
>> braille?
>> Make it just one code?
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>
>> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille,
>> such
>> a goal is a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers
>> are used that the code becomes unwieldy.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.
>> In print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.
>> In braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
>> letters depending on context.  The unified system would
>> theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to
>> determine
>> what a text says, making it more like print.
>>
>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
>> learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
>> and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
>> rather clunky and unwieldy.
>>
>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified
>> code would be better than the current systems used.  But having
>> one code does seem like it might simplify things.
>>
>> Just my thoughts,
>> Greg
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, ?굍is Nusbaum wrote:
>>
>> Hi Greg,
>>
>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
>> don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
>> literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
>> different symbols for different operations in math than they are
>> in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
>> affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>> motto)
>>
>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
>> code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
>> literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
>> by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
>> not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
>> I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
>> here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
>> can be improved and better used in general though.
>>
>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
>> unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
>> integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
>> challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
>> code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
>> mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
>>
>> -Greg
>>
>>
>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>
>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>
>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably
>> the
>> main
>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
>> Algebra.
>>
>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>> To: NABS-L
>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
>> general.  What
>> about the future of Nemeth?
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