[nabs-l] dating seaghted people Vs. Blind people?

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Tue May 31 22:56:55 UTC 2011


Yes! Joshua, you said in an earlier post that you hate the term 
visually impaired and like my motto, "A loss of sight, never a 
loss of vision." The vision it's referring to is your dreams and 
goals in life that you can meet independently regardless of the 
"loss of sight," but you say you want a partner that can drive 
you around.  Can you explain this logic to me?

 Chris

"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)

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 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 26 May 2011 14:54:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] dating seaghted people Vs.  Blind people?

The problem is that if all you want from a potential partner is 
for her to drive you around and you consider yourself a burden, 
she will probably not want to be your wife :).
I think it all depends on your attitude.  Sometimes I ask my 
girlfriend to drive me somewhere because it seems like the best 
choice for me, and if she has time she will do it because she 
loves me and she's doing me a favor just like I help her with 
other things.  But her primary function is not to drive me 
everywhere all the time...
On May 26, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:

 Yes.
 I want my wife, to be able to drive me from place to place, so 
my
 parents don't have to have that burden.
 That's the point!
 You win the million dollar prize!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 5/26/11, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:
 I'm not sure I understand how this would create a "double 
burden" on your
 family either.  If she is an independent traveler, or 
independent in other
 ways as well, why should she create any burden? Why would this 
hinder your
 independence unless you're looking for a partner who could drive 
you around
 and such so your parents don't have to (and I don't think you 
are! I'm just
 saying, I don't understand your point.)

 On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Hope Paulos 
<hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:

 First of all, I don't understand, Joshua, how you believe dating 
a blind
 person would double your dependence while traveling? I'm a 
compitent
 traveler and a totally blind one at that.  I am a musician as 
well.  To be
 honest, I don't care whether or not my boyfriend is sighted or 
blind.  It's
 who he is that counts, not his disability or lack thereof.
 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" 
<k7uij at panix.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
 nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] dating seaghted people Vs.  Blind people?


 So you pick your life-partner on the basis of convenience?

 Mike Freeman
 sent from my iPhone


 On May 25, 2011, at 21:58, Joshua Lester 
<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 wrote:

 That's exactly the problem!
 Ms.  Principato, you hit the nail right on the head!
 My parents don't think that I can take care of myself, although 
I was
 trained at LWSB.
 It's crazy!
 I know I can succeed with accomidations, but they won't 
cooperate.
 Sighted girls wouldn't want me, because I still live at home.
 I don't want another blind person, because that would double my
 dependence, when it comes to traveling.
 I'm a Gospel singer, musician, and songwriter.
 I like to travel to churches.
 It would be more convenient for me to have a sighted person, 
than a
 blind
 one.
 Remember, I'm totally blind.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 5/25/11, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:

 I am in a serious relationship with another blind person.  He is 
totally
 blind, and I have a significant amount of sight, so I can tell 
you from
 my
 own point of view, even before I had heard of NFB philosophy or 
had a
 very
 positive attitude about blindness myself, his blindness didn't 
weigh in
 much
 when considering him as a partner.  I had the idea at the time 
that
 people
 with no vision at all were at a disadvantage, primarily because 
I'd
 known
 several totally blind individuals in school who didn't 
demonstrate that
 they
 had the ability to succeed at the level of a sighed person (not 
their
 fault,
 mind you.  This gets into issues about parents' misconceptions 
and
 teacher
 misconceptions causing problems for blind students, but that's 
another
 topic
 entirely).  I can say that all of these ideas flip-flopped once 
we had
 talked
 a little, and my attitude towards blindness in others as well as 
my own
 blindness improved gradually the more I got to know him and 
spend time
 with
 him.  I believed that he could do anything a sighted person 
could do,
 one
 way
 or another, and that his blindness (or mine, for that matter) 
was only
 a
 characteristic because he demonstrated such to me in the way he
 approached
 blindness and life in general.  He and I have been together for 
5 years
 now,
 and intend to spend our lives together, not because we both have 
some
 degree
 of vision loss.  Simply because we decided that we've both found 
"the
 one".

 On the flip side of the coin, I've also had experience dating a
 completely
 sighted person, though more casually.  Compared to this person, 
I might
 as
 well have been totally blind.  We also hit it off quite well, 
and I
 really
 think my lack of vision was more of an issue to me than it was 
to her.
 I
 felt embarrassed that when ever we'd go out, she would have to 
pick me
 up or
 I would have to use public transportation to meet her somewhere 
(which
 often
 resulted in me being late, or showing up hot and sweaty and 
tired from
 travel).  If we went out to eat, and no accessible menu was 
available,
 she
 would sometimes read it to me, and I found this embarrassing as 
well.
 She,
 apparently, thought nothing of it, though, and I felt better 
about it
 when I
 observed how helpful she is with other sighted people as well.  
It was
 just
 in her nature to offer help, and didn't seem to have anything to 
do
 with
 my
 vision.  Her and I are still really good friends, and she is 
currently
 in a
 long-term relationship with another blind person, so clearly 
blindness
 was
 not a turn-off to her.

 Again, I think if we make a big thing of our blindness, it will 
be a
 big
 thing.  Otherwise, if we just demonstrate that we are equals, 
any
 significant
 others worth our time will see that we are equals and consider 
us as
 such.

 Best,

 -Jamie

 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Kirt Manwaring
 <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>wrote:

 Homberto,
 I don't think blindness should be a big factor in who you date.
 Certainly there are plenty of sighted people who do understand, 
after
 a little time with us, that us blind people have the ability to
 achieve on whatever level we choose to.  It's never a good idea 
to
 date someone who wouldn't treat you like an equal partner-and if
 anyone can't accept your blindness as a characteristic rather 
than a
 handicap, that's not the kind of person I'd want to date.
 I think good grooming is important, no matter if you're dating a
 blind person or a sighted person.  First impressions count for a 
lot,
 after all and although not every sighted person will blow you 
off if
 you don't look clean and well-groomed, most probably will.  But 
I
 think most blind people would, too.
 So pretty much date whoever you want.  If they're blind, that's
 fine.  If they're sighted, that's fine too.  The important thing 
is
 that you and your partner are the right fit for each other, and 
have
 the skills to make a committed relationship work.  If the person 
you
 date is blind and you're genuinely happy (as long as you both 
have the
 right training to manage things), more power to you.  If the 
person
 you date is sighted, and you're both genuinely happy with each 
other,
 more power to you.  If it's the right thing, blindness or sight
 shouldn't change anything.
 Most of the people I've dated have been sighted, most of my 
friends
 are sighted, so when I decide I'm ready for a long-term 
relationship,
 odds are it'll probably be with a sighted girl.  Not because 
sighted
 people are better, but because most of my friends happen to be
 sighted.  But that doesn't mean I couldn't make it work with a 
blind
 girl if she happened to be the right one.  Either way, you can 
be
 happy.
 Take care,
 Kirt

 On 5/25/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 wrote:

 Humberto,
 If you are comfortable with who you are and can demonstrate you 
can
 do
 things for yourself then either partner will work.  If someone 
is

 attracted

 to you, I hope appearance would be only part of it.  So go with 
what
 feels
 right.
 Ashley


 -----Original Message-----
 From: Humberto
 Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:23 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Cc: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] dating seaghted people Vs.  Blind people?

 Hello dear listers,

 I'm wanting to know, and I've been curious about, your opinions
 on the topic stated in the subject line.  I think this 
discussion
 has been shared already on this list a little bit but it would 
be
 good for us to discuss this as a matter of opinions are
 concerned.
 So, let me begin by asking, what do you think about going out
 with a sighted person Vs.  a blind person? Are there any main
 differences, if any, on dating blind people or sighted people?
 Will a blind person expect to date or marry another blind 
person?
 If I date a sighted person, for instance, will I have to deal
 with the blindness misconceptions that people sometimes have? 
How
 can a blind person get that sighted person to think that the
 blind person can become a competent member of society by doing
 everything else that a sighted person can do.
 I myself have a blind girlfriend, and yes, we enjoy each other 
as
 much as 2 sighted people will enjoy each other's engagement.  
I've
 been going with her for about 4 years now, and we still keep in
 touch.
 would it be different if I make the choice to go out with a
 sighted girl, yet knowing that my blindness is just a
 characteristic? Will she understand that?
 I ask these questions only for your thoughts, and I wouldn't 
just
 want to start a huge debate here.  I must stress, though, that 
if
 I do choose to date a sighted girlfriend, she must know that my
 blindness will not stop me from doing anything that I want to,
 and having high expectations.
 But is there anything that, specifically speaking, a sighted
 person looks for when he or she is trying to date a blind 
person,
 versus a blind person trying to date a blind person? Is personal
 gloaming a big deal for this? Have you guy gone through
 experiences like that, whether you decide to date someone who is
 sighted or who is blind? I know this might seem quite obvious,
 but I understand that, unfair or fair as it might seem, sighted
 people, the first thing they look at, is how you look.  They 
first
 look at you visually and they know immediately whether to stick
 with one or not.
 Any thoughts? Opinions? experiences? questions?

 Cheers,  Humberto

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