[nabs-l] ID's and Voting

Thu Aug 30 02:55:23 UTC 2012

I guess that would make too much sense!

On 8/29/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Even if they need eye color on your ID card, couldn't they just ask
> you what color your eyes are and put that down? That's what they did
> for my height and weight.
> Arielle
>
> On 8/28/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Desiree,
>> That is a good question for the DMV. Call and ask. My guess is if you
>> renew
>>
>> online, they will use your existing photo they have on file.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Desiree Oudinot
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:06 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting
>>
>> Hi,
>> So, if you can renew your ID online, how do they get an updated
>> picture? I've heard of people not having a picture on their ID for
>> religious reasons, but I'm certainly not interested in that because it
>> just seems like from all I've heard and what I think personally, no
>> one would take an ID without a picture on it seriously. It would be
>> extremely easy to forge. No offense to people who choose not to have a
>> picture on their ID for whatever reason, it's just not something I
>> would do myself. So how does that work? My mom said that if I renew
>> online, what will probably happen is they'll send something in the
>> mail which says the ID isn't expired, and I'll have 60 days to go to
>> the DMV to have my picture taken. Is that true?
>>
>> On 8/28/12, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID.
>>> When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the
>>> mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver).  They both had a
>>> length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them.  Using a
>>> CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly.  If one doesn't have enough
>>> vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted
>>> assistance.  I would say though if the picture you wish to change,
>>> then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV.  Hope this helps
>>>
>>> On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my
>>>> pen
>>>> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the
>>>> right
>>>> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back
>>>> on
>>>> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a
>>>> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that
>>>> is
>>>> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm
>>>> not
>>>> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your
>>>> name,
>>>> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my
>>>> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a
>>>> mixture
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills
>>>> instructor
>>>>
>>>> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that
>>>> would
>>>> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is
>>>> what
>>>> I
>>>> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to
>>>> write
>>>>
>>>> for me.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Arielle Silverman
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card
>>>> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for
>>>> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just
>>>> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to
>>>> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers'
>>>> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to
>>>> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of
>>>> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree
>>>> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on
>>>> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be
>>>> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a
>>>> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last.
>>>> Arielle
>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca <sjhhirst at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV
>>>>> somehow.  In places like Nashville, that's not exactly
>>>>> straightforward.
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess they could take a cab?  It just sucks because, I think before,
>>>>> people
>>>>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group).  Now,
>>>>> the
>>>>> states have made it more difficult than it already was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct
>>>>> me
>>>>> if
>>>>> I'm wrong).  If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place,
>>>>> you
>>>>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that
>>>>> you
>>>>> are who you say you are.  I like this idea (well, except for the whole
>>>>> signature thing, which I had never thought about).
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
>>>>>     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephanie:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't
>>>>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would
>>>>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all
>>>>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a
>>>>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> showed my photo ID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that
>>>>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a
>>>>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the
>>>>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries,
>>>>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my
>>>>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been
>>>>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing
>>>>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID;
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have
>>>>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are
>>>>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I
>>>>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair
>>>>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and
>>>>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few
>>>>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used
>>>>>> for voting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we
>>>>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so
>>>>>> much for the information. It was really great to read.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca <sjhhirst at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > This website is very informative.  The following link takes you to
>>>>>> > a
>>>>>> > page
>>>>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with
>>>>>> disabilities.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
>>>>>> >     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca
>>>>>> > <sjhhirst at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry!
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
>>>>>> >>     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca
>>>>>> >> <sjhhirst at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting
>>>>>> >>> involved
>>>>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> My story is this:  In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the
>>>>>> >>> designated places in Nashville.  When it was my turn, they
>>>>>> >>> designated
>>>>>> >>> a
>>>>>> >>> polling machine to me.  Before I began the process, I asked about
>>>>>> >>> assisted
>>>>>> >>> voting.  Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling
>>>>>> >>> machines?
>>>>>> >>>  Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only
>>>>>> >>> option
>>>>>> >>> I
>>>>>> >>> had.  I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do
>>>>>> >>> have
>>>>>> >>> some
>>>>>> >>> vision).
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories:
>>>>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the
>>>>>> >>> voter
>>>>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff
>>>>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site
>>>>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible
>>>>>> machine
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems.  How do
>>>>>> >>> we
>>>>>> >>> get
>>>>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling
>>>>>> >>> places
>>>>>> >>> are
>>>>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos.  Barring that, would it be
>>>>>> >>> possible
>>>>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online?  Maybe by someone who
>>>>>> >>> has
>>>>>> >>> used
>>>>>> >>> it
>>>>>> >>> recently?  I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling
>>>>>> >>> place
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user
>>>>>> >>> could
>>>>>> >>> do
>>>>>> >>> a better job haha
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their
>>>>>> >>> rights.
>>>>>> >>> I
>>>>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some
>>>>>> >>> rules
>>>>>> >>> vary
>>>>>> >>> state by state.  I'm having trouble tracking down the information
>>>>>> >>> for
>>>>>> >>> TN,
>>>>>> >>> for example.  Anyway, here is the federal law (I think).
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act*
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of
>>>>>> >>> 1984
>>>>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be
>>>>>> >>> physically
>>>>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections.
>>>>>> >>> Where
>>>>>> >>> no
>>>>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a
>>>>>> >>> political
>>>>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot
>>>>>> >>> on
>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>> >>> day
>>>>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available
>>>>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters,
>>>>>> >>> including
>>>>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For
>>>>>> >>> more
>>>>>> >>> information, contact:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice
>>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division
>>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
>>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G
>>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY)
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act*
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the
>>>>>> >>> "Motor
>>>>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their
>>>>>> >>> fundamental
>>>>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to
>>>>>> >>> increase
>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons
>>>>>> >>> with
>>>>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor
>>>>>> >>> Voter
>>>>>> Act
>>>>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily
>>>>>> engaged
>>>>>> >>> in
>>>>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all
>>>>>> >>> program
>>>>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in
>>>>>> >>> completing
>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State
>>>>>> >>> official.
>>>>>> >>> For more information, contact:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice
>>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division
>>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
>>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G
>>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY)
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers.  Is it possible for
>>>>>> >>> us
>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>> >>> get
>>>>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice:
>>>>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines
>>>>>> >>> accessible?
>>>>>> >>> It
>>>>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue.  Would it not be
>>>>>> >>> possible
>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a
>>>>>> >>> complaint
>>>>>> >>> if
>>>>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the
>>>>>> >>> future.
>>>>>>  We
>>>>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national
>>>>>> >>> level,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and
>>>>>> >>> college
>>>>>> >>> students who have not voted before.  Maybe we could draft a
>>>>>> >>> brochure
>>>>>> >>> about
>>>>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even
>>>>>> >>> for
>>>>>> >>> people
>>>>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets
>>>>>> >>> distributed
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place.
>>>>>> >>> Also,
>>>>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require
>>>>>> >>> valid
>>>>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.).  How should we deal with this?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared
>>>>>> >>> mind.
>>>>>> >>>     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett
>>>>>> >>> <clb5590 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Stephanie:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I
>>>>>> >>>> voted
>>>>>> >>>> in
>>>>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very
>>>>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to
>>>>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker
>>>>>> >>>> did
>>>>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This
>>>>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular
>>>>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I
>>>>>> >>>> said
>>>>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and
>>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do
>>>>>> >>>> you
>>>>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for
>>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to
>>>>>> >>>> say
>>>>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call
>>>>>> >>>> about
>>>>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome.
>>>>>> >>>> Unfortunately,
>>>>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal
>>>>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights
>>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great.
>>>>>> >>>> For
>>>>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few
>>>>>> >>>> precincts
>>>>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes
>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind
>>>>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public
>>>>>> >>>> transportation
>>>>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait
>>>>>> >>>> in
>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting
>>>>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you
>>>>>> >>>> choose
>>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the
>>>>>> >>>> signature
>>>>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be
>>>>>> >>>> deemed
>>>>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can
>>>>>> >>>> with
>>>>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind
>>>>>> >>>> people
>>>>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our
>>>>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or
>>>>>> >>>> we
>>>>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid
>>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can
>>>>>> >>>> have
>>>>>> >>>> 2
>>>>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my
>>>>>> >>>> ballot.
>>>>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states,
>>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature
>>>>>> >>>> of
>>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a
>>>>>> >>>> very
>>>>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal
>>>>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call,
>>>>>> >>>> or
>>>>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share
>>>>>> >>>> it.
>>>>>> >>>> If
>>>>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative
>>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue
>>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the
>>>>>> >>>> suggestion,
>>>>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the
>>>>>> >>>> call.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an
>>>>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During
>>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves
>>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has
>>>>>> >>>> been
>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I
>>>>>> >>>> think
>>>>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming!
>>>>>> >>>> Cindy
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie!
>>>>>> >>>> > That's a great idea!
>>>>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine
>>>>>> >>>> > didn't
>>>>>> >>>> work.
>>>>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here
>>>>>> >>>> > said
>>>>>> >>>> he'd come
>>>>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up!
>>>>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>> >>>> > ________________________________________
>>>>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on
>>>>>> behalf
>>>>>> >>>> of
>>>>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com]
>>>>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM
>>>>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities
>>>>>> >>>> > would
>>>>>> >>>> > be
>>>>>> >>>> good.
>>>>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good
>>>>>> >>>> opportunity to
>>>>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly
>>>>>> >>>> > VI)
>>>>>> >>>> > about
>>>>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting.  I've been to/worked
>>>>>> >>>> > at
>>>>>> >>>> > several
>>>>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information
>>>>>> >>>> > on
>>>>>> >>>> > voting
>>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>>> >>>> > you have a disability.
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair <codyjbair at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >> Hi All,
>>>>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly
>>>>>> >>>> >> membership
>>>>>> >>>> calls.
>>>>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently
>>>>>> >>>> >> seeking
>>>>>> >>>> >> your
>>>>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this
>>>>>> >>>> >> year.
>>>>>> >>>> >> Please
>>>>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or
>>>>>> >>>> >> mail
>>>>>> >>>> them
>>>>>> >>>> >> directly to
>>>>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com
>>>>>> >>>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>
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>>>>>> >>>> Cynthia Bennett
>>>>>> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>>>> >>>> 828.989.5383
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>>>>>> Cynthia Bennett
>>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
>>>>>>
>>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
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