[nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program

Fri May 3 19:25:36 UTC 2013

Hi all,

Me too.  I'm kicking myself for it, but had I known APH was coming out
with the graphing calculator back in November I would have waited to
take college statistics instead of just tried to get it over with.
However, Excel did a pretty good job of handling most of the formulas.
 My class was graphing calculator-based so there were a few things the
other students could do on their calculators that I could not do in
Excel, but it was nothing we couldn't work around by my teacher
changing the problem to have me interpret an equasion and demonstrate
I understood how it functioned rather than actually fight with Excel
to get a calculation it couldn't really do.

Justin, I don't have one personally but my Disabilities office has a
Focus40 Braille Display for me to use at school and I love it.  The
Brailliant is also a very good display too, so either way I think you
can't go wrong with the 40 cell displays unless you really want
something more portable. for travel.  I found they work well though.

On 5/2/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hos did your seminar go?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher
> nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:40 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>
> The American printing House for the blind.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 3, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What is APH?
>>
>> Anna
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 3, 2013, at 9:53 AM, christopher nusbaum
>> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> It could probably work for making graphs and such. I'm interested in
>>> trying out the new graphing calculator APH is coming out with.
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2013, at 10:08 AM, justin williams
>>> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah,  I remember my college algebra course.  I don't even want to
>>>> think
>>>> about trying that on a 40 cell braille display.  Wonder if excel would
> work
>>>> in algebra?
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:22 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>
>>>> Sophie,
>>>> Try doing college algebra on a single line braille display, just give
>>>> it
> a
>>>> shot, and I think you'll be singing quite a different tune. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 2, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Helga, in addition to agreeing with everything Kirt said, I also
> believe
>>>> there's another extremely relevant reason why you should try reading
> with
>>>> the braillenote's display. Paper braille is becoming obsolete. I may
>>>> get
>>>> some flack on the list for this, but it is true. I'm a sophomore in
>>>> high
>>>> school, and for the past two years or so, more and more of my
> assignments
>>>> have either been emailed to me or put on a flash drive. The world is
> moving
>>>> away from paper (well, the blind world, at least) and toward computers,
> and
>>>> in your future place of employment, it would be very unrealistic to
> expect
>>>> paper braille in anything. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, I'm just
>>>> making a point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers from your fellow future English major, Sophie
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>>> To: dburke at cocenter.org, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:42:41
>>>>> -0600
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>>
>>>>> Helga,
>>>>> I'd personally try to read your books with the refreshable braille
>>>>> display first.  There are two reasons for this.  First, you might
>>>>> discover that the braille note refreshable braille display does, in
>>>>> fact, work for you...in which case you won't need an embosser at all
>>>>> for the vast majority of things; advanced math and some few science
>>>>> classes being the exception, perhaps.  Second, and perhaps more
>>>>> relivant to you, your rehab counselor will probably ask you why you
>>>>> can't just use the braille note braille display for your braille
>>>>> reading.  Having become familiar with the refreshable braille, you
>>>>> will be more able to provide adequett justification for why you need
>>>>> an embosser instead of just the braille note.
>>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/2/13, Dan Burke <dburke at cocenter.org> wrote:
>>>>> If I may offer some information even though I'm not a student ..  I
>>>>> worked for a Ds office for many years, and for the last number of
>>>>> years I supervised the alternate formats aspect of the office.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, have you signed up for Bookshare? There are lots of text books
>>>>> available in electronic formats that your Braille note can read, or
>>>>> that can be read on your iPhone or with JAWS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next Helga, if Bookshare doesn't have your texts your DS office may
>>>>> need to give you a better format.  They would need to do that f
>>>>> Braille is your preferred format and there is a compelling reason that
>>>>> PDF isn't good enough.  That English is your second language and that
>>>>> your major requires reading and comprehending complex literature (and
>>>>> what major doesn't?), is a compelling argument in my opinion.  You
>>>>> need to make that clear to the DS office, but you will very likely
>>>>> have to push it if you really want it.
>>>>> They can easily give you a MS Word format, for example, if the text is
>>>>> not available at Bookshare.  But you will have a good bit of work
>>>>> ahead of you turning a PDF into any kind of Braille document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I think that PDF is a terrible format for just about
> anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> With a Word file, you can do a couple of things.  Of course you could
>>>>> read it with your note taker's refreshable Braille display.  It is
>>>>> likely that the DS office will stand their ground on that and not
>>>>> offer
>>>> paper Braille.
>>>>> With a Word file you could also use Duxbury and print your own paper
>>>>> Braille, which you have obviously thought about.  But you may need to
>>>>> press the DS office by looking at campus options for due process - in
>>>>> other words, a complaint - if they don't agree to provide you with a
>>>>> format other than PDF.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the other thing is that Voc Rehab's excuse that embossers are
>>>>> expensive just isn't good enough.  Your reasons for having one are
>>>>> pretty good.  If they are to deny this bit of technology, they need to
>>>>> do so on the basis that it isn't related to your vocational goal.
>>>>> They can't say it's too expensive once you are already in an
>>>> Individualized Plan for Employment.
>>>>> Again, you will likely have to push this.  You can start by asking
>>>>> your VR counselor for information on your rights to appeal. This is
>>>>> something they are required to provide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:50 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all, this is Helga. I just
>>>>> would like to ask you guys, Do you know where can I get a Dux Bury
>>>>> program and a Braille printer that is compatible with the BrailleNote
>>>>> apex for a cheap price? The Reason I'm asking is because I like to
>>>>> read Braille because is my prefer way of reading especially when I'm
>>>>> reading stories that are hard to understand the wording. I'm actually
>>>>> doing an English major where I need to take Literature classes that
>>>>> involve a lot of reading. Actually, this semester I took American
>>>>> Literature before 1865, and it was very challenging for me because the
>>>>> only accessable format of the Book  that DSS provided me was PDF
>>>>> format, and and I got a audio cd from Learning Ally. It was helpful,
>>>>> but not enough to understand the stories since my first Language is
>>>>> not English, even though I speak it, I'm still working on my
>>>>> comprehension of words. I also talked to my DBS counceler about this
>>>>> and she told me that she would not buy me the Braille printer because
>>>>> is very expensive. I really Think a Braille paper copy of a reading
>>>>> will really help me a lot since I'm thinking in taking American
>>>>> Literature after 1865 in the Fall semester.
>>>>> Thank you guys for listening to me. I really appreciate it. God bless!
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