[nabs-l] problem with college cafe

[Kirt Manwaring]

Nathan,
  In my honest opinion, you aren't really educating the public about
the capabilities of independent blind folks if you have to bring
something as trivial as this to campus security.  Yes, I understand
your frustration, I deal with the same problem on a daily basis...but
no intervention by security (and how would such an intervention make
people view you as more independent?) will solve this situation in the
myriad other places you are bound to encounter it.  I think Justin's
suggestion is an excellent one, which I often use to deal with this
problem so I can have a free hand in which to use my cane and,
contrary to Carley's earlier assertion, not trip over the chair
carelessly left in my path.  I guarantee you will be faced with this
situation over and over again for the rest of your life so, and I mean
this with the utmost possible respect...deal with it.
  Best,
Kirt

On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Ashley,
> I don't want the college to enforce it but just remind students to do
> it. I bring my lunch to school with me so carrying a tray is not an
> issue for me. Thanks for your thoughts.
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Carin,
>> What makes me so mad about the situation is that I can't believe that
>> people are just so lazy that they can't take 2 seconds out of their
>> day and push their chairs in. It doesn't take much energy last time I
>> checked to use your arm and push the chair in.
>> Sincerely,
>> Nathan
>>
>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Tyler,
>>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what
>>> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want
>>> to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me
>>> for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are
>>> coming from and I respect your opinion.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Nathan Clark
>>>
>>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear Tyler,
>>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can
>>>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the
>>>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and
>>>> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like
>>>> you thought it was.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler at tysdomain.com> wrote:
>>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with
>>>>> security.
>>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with.
>>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so
>>>>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe
>>>>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane,
>>>>> find
>>>>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I
>>>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand
>>>>> and
>>>>> it works out pretty well.
>>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending
>>>>> on
>>>>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Nabs,
>>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this
>>>>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where
>>>>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost
>>>>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where
>>>>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My
>>>>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and
>>>>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with
>>>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up
>>>>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my
>>>>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard
>>>>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she
>>>>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem
>>>>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the
>>>>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring
>>>>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were
>>>>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they
>>>>>> said
>>>>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> happened to other people on the list?
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Nathan Clark
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> Ty
>>>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool;
>>>>> he
>>>>> that
>>>>> dares not reason is a slave.
>>>>>
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