[nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class

Mon Sep 23 04:07:16 UTC 2013

I will check with her she give the answers immediately after the time runs
out to enter them.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Arielle Silverman <
Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote:

> You could probably circle your answers on a printout and then come up
> and give your printout to the professor before she discusses the
> answers with the class. Would that work?
> Arielle
>
> On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
> > We use turning point. I have the clicker set to the channel at the start
> of
> > class and it is the only class I use a clicker for.
> >
> > For some reason when I answer the question (which is multiple choice)
> there
> > have been several time it end up on the change channel screen.
> >
> > I may ask for print outs and ask if I can just circle my answer. I don't
> > know if she will think I will cheat since after every one enters their
> > answer she tells the correct one.
> >
> > I don't use readers or note-takers. I only use a lab aid in biology
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Suzanne,
> >> What school do you go to and what clicker do you use?
> >>
> >> For one thing, there are accessible clickers.  I don't know much about
> >> it,
> >> as I have never used one.  And if this is the only class you're taking
> >> with
> >> clicker questions, you may not care to look into using one.  But for
> >> future
> >> reference if you want, look into it.  There is iClicker, and there is
> >> TurningPoint or Turning Technology.
> >>
> >> As for now, I would highly recommend talking to your professor about the
> >> questions you have missed. This happened to me.  I kept missing them
> >> because there was so little time and I wasn't prepared to deal with
> that.
> >>  So to get credit for the ones I missed, I just talked to him and
> >> explained
> >> the situation.  I suggested a way to make up for the missed points, to
> >> ask
> >> me questions, either during their office time or just before or after
> >> lecture that were similar to the clicker questions, and then if I get it
> >> right, just add those points to grade somewhere or go back and change
> the
> >> points for missed clicker questions.  Or I could do some sort of extra
> >> credit.  That's what happened and it worked out fine.
> >> I hope you are in close contact with your professor.  And I hope you are
> >> communicating all these accessibility situations to him/her.  Often the
> >> professor will have a great alternative.  As for the rest of the clicker
> >> questions throughout the rest of your current class, I would have
> someone
> >> help you with entering the responses on the clicker, as it is not fair
> to
> >> not be able to make sure your response is accurate and has been sent
> >> successfully.  You should be able to enter the channel before class ever
> >> starts.  I would enter the channel when I got to class that way it
> >> already
> >> knows what channel I was on and didn't ask me when I was trying to enter
> >> information.   There may be a way to lock in the channel so you don't
> >> have
> >> to enter it, as someone suggested, u might want to look into that. That
> >> would certainly be the easiest thing, if that is the only class you are
> >> using it for.  But if you are using it for more than one class, enter
> the
> >> channel before class starts and it should
> >>   not be an issue when you are doing the question.  Then like I said,
> for
> >> the question, have a TA or a reader from DSS or your own reader help you
> >> with seeing the screen.  Of course if you are just doing multiple choice
> >> answers, it may not be a big deal, but if you are entering numeric
> >> information, I think it's good to be able to double check the screen,
> and
> >> depending on which clicker your school uses, you will need help with
> >> entering the numeric info.  I would suggest not using a student next to
> >> you
> >> to help you with it though, as these questions typically only give a
> very
> >> short time period to answer, and each student needs that limited time to
> >> figure out the answer and enter it for themselves.
> >>
> >> As far as getting access to the actual question, you could have your
> >> professor print out the question and give it to you in large font every
> >> day
> >> when he puts it up on the board.  Sit in front so if they forget, you
> can
> >> raise your hand or whatever to remind them to give it to you.  If they
> >> forget to print it out for you, they either will just use the questions
> >> as
> >> review and not give anyone points for that day or they will do something
> >> to
> >> let u get those missed points as they will be aware that it is not your
> >> fault that you missed it.   I used to email my professors the day or
> >> morning before each class politely reminding them, towards the beginning
> >> of
> >> the semester.  I think that might be a good option for you.  Or you
> could
> >> possibly have them email it to you before class or something.  Or you
> >> could
> >> use a reader for the question as well.
> >> One way to get around this is to have the clicker questions on an
> >> accessible website, which some schools do.  I don't know how complicated
> >> of
> >> a process it is to set that up but if nothing else, you could suggest it
> >> to
> >> your professor for future reference.
> >>
> >> As for your lab.  I think there have been some very good suggestions.
> >> One
> >> thing that always comes to mind is - Get a reader.  Pay someone to
> >> describe
> >> something for you, you might be able to get someone from DSS to do this.
> >> The option that I personally would take however, is what Arielle said -
> >> do
> >> something that does not require sight. If my understanding of your
> >> assignment is correct, I don't know why you need to involve vision in it
> >> at
> >> all, unless you just want to.
> >> Working with another student is also something you could ask your
> teacher
> >> about I suppose.  Good luck.  And let us know what you decide.
> >>
> >> Anna E Givens
> >>
> >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I wonder if there is a way to lock the channel on the clicker so you
> >> > can't accidentally get kicked out of the channel you need to be in?
> >> > Arielle
> >> >
> >> > On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
> >> >> Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade.
> >> >> She
> >> has
> >> >> read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology genetics
> >> stuff
> >> >> so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right
> >> before
> >> >> doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer.
> >> >>
> >> >> Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to
> >> reread
> >> >> and calculate.
> >> >>
> >> >> There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says
> >> change
> >> >> channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to
> turn
> >> on
> >> >> then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is
> >> >> still
> >> >> right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is
> >> >> often
> >> >> wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day
> >> >> correct.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke
> >> >> <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hello Suzanne,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker
> >> >>> questions
> >> in
> >> >>> the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use them
> >> >>> while
> >> >>> attending a community college.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for
> >> >>> review
> >> >>> questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able to
> >> >>> participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect
> >> >>> their
> >> >>> grade.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class.
> They
> >> >>> were
> >> >>> not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a telephone
> >> >>> keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell phone
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> text
> >> >>> the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop
> >> >>> computers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In either case, the professor reads both the question and the
> answers
> >> >>> aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is
> doing.
> >> >>> When
> >> >>> the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the
> button
> >> >>> that
> >> >>> corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of
> my
> >> >>> professor.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same manner,
> >> but
> >> >>> this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative
> >> >>> methods
> >> >>> may
> >> >>> be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and the
> >> >>> answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they
> >> provide
> >> >>> such a service.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have
> >> >>> found
> >> >>> non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for me.
> >> >>> Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Warm regards,
> >> >>> Elizabeth
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ------------------------------**--------------------
> >> >>> From: "Suzanne Germano" <sgermano at asu.edu>
> >> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM
> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology
> class
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to
> >> >>>> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the
> >> >>>> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>> time
> >> >>>> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me
> >> >>>> somewhere
> >> >>>> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find
> the
> >> >>>> best
> >> >>>> solution to be?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to
> >> >>>> see
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough.
> >> >>>> And
> >> >>>> there
> >> >>>> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode
> >> >>>> when
> >> I
> >> >>>> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons.
> I
> >> >>>> have
> >> >>>> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of
> >> change
> >> >>>> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Suzanne
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