[nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel

Sun Aug 31 21:18:41 UTC 2014

Good afternoon, Steve, and everyone,

         Well, by "comfortable" I don't think I'm trying to describe 
anything like proficiency. That is what I take your examples of 
cooking, and of crossing streets to be describing. In using the word 
myself, I was trying to be consistent with the person whom was 
reluctant to, intimidated by, moving through an unfamiliar 
environment, by herself. I was not referring, I don't think, to 
proficiency, for there are ways around that obstacle. More like, how 
you feel doing something.
Do you understand, Steve, and anyone still invested in this?\
Car

  At 12:31 PM 8/31/2014, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
>Carly,
>
>What concerns me sometimes about discussions like this is that there 
>are really two separate factors, in my opinion.  The first is that 
>we do have to recognize that we are not all built the same.  We don't all have
>the same abilities or the same disabilities.  There is no guarantee 
>that two people with the same disability will be able to accomplish 
>everything with the same degree of success.  Therefore, we have to take some
>care to encourage one another rather than judge one another.
>
>The second factor, though is that of comfort.  To say that people 
>should just do what is comfortable sets off alarms for me, but 
>obviously you may have a different meaning for "comfort."  There 
>isn't one thing that
>I have ever learned that didn't bring with it a bit of discomfort 
>when I learned it.  As I said in an earlier note, crossing a street 
>was certainly not comfortable for me at first, and neither was 
>learning to cook.  So how
>do we know when we should avoid doing something because we are not 
>comfortable with it or whether our discomfort is because we just 
>haven't learned how to do it yet?  I am interested to know what you
>think.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>
>On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:38:28 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
>
> >Good morning, Arielle,
>
> >Seems to me, a given situation as well as the traveler's level of
> >comfort ought to call for however one needs to travel. THAT'S all I
> >was seeking to say. If in fact, you are most comfortable as you
> >repeat dutifully to go where you want, when you want, then do that!
> >Just do what you feel.
> >Car
>
> >8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
> >>Hi Carly and all,
> >>
> >>Again, for me traveling independently has absolutely nothing to do
> >>with proving a point to sighted people. I travel independently because
> >>it is most convenient for me, for others or both. I like being able to
> >>go somewhere when I want instead of waiting on people. And I don't
> >>like inconveniencing others when I can do something myself. It's not
> >>"super-blink" to utilize the same natural right of independent
> >>movement that everyone else in the world gets as a matter of course.
> >>
> >>Respectfully,
> >>Arielle
> >>
> >>On 8/28/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > Karlee,
> >> > In general, I trust members of a group to advocate that group
> >> standards more
> >> > than, say, disillusioned outsiders. I'm not going to learn 
> about Islam, for
> >> > example, from an evangelical Christian. Nor will I go to Sean Hannity or
> >> > Rush Limbaugh to learn about The policies of Barack Obama. For 
> that matter,
> >> > I won't go to MSNBC to learn about the tea party. I think you 
> see where I'm
> >> > going with this.
> >> > Best,
> >> > Kirt
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Good morning,
> >> >>
> >> >> Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, 
> recruting your
> >> >> fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to go. Admittedly,
> >> >> this means of travel found me after becoming injured such that I was
> >> >> unable to keep track of direction and what they call rout 
> reversal, became
> >> >> for me no more than a pipe dream.
> >> >>
> >> >> In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea 
> that to prove
> >> >> to Ol'Sighty of  blindness' being  what is it, little more than a mere
> >> >> inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink 
> whom, by simply
> >> >> waving his long, white cane can travel any course, under any 
> circumstances
> >> >> in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social construct is certainly
> >> >> possible to live within and many people do it, but not 
> everybody is super
> >> >> Federationist blink!
> >> >>
> >> >> After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable,
> >> >> alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which 
> most of us are
> >> >> capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating that
> >> >> Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches the same
> >> >> ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if it becomes a
> >> >> matter of walking through an airport, say, to demonstrate to Ol'Sighty
> >> >> ways in which most blinks can, and do advocate for 
> themselves, it may be a
> >> >> plausible course of action to grab Ol'Sighty from one of the 
> hoards that
> >> >> are invariably around and, placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him
> >> >> where you need to be and see if he can help you. Of course, 
> should he be
> >> >> in a hurry you can find someone else, but wait for an 
> indication of said
> >> >> sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you can actually
> >> >> have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange names?
> >> >> Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd is
> >> >> intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, 
> realistic of every
> >> >> blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at 
> least by their
> >> >> rigid standards.
> >> >> for today, Car
> >> >> 408-209-3239
> >> >>  :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
> >> >>> Dear Students,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you.  On Monday I had a
> >> >>> conversation with my mobility instructor during my training session at
> >> >>> UCF.  We were talking about the importance of traveling 
> independently as
> >> >>> blind individuals.  I got very emotional while we were having this
> >> >>> conversation and began to cry.  Because I've never traveled 
> independently
> >> >>> in the community, I lack the experience of traveling on my 
> own.  Can each
> >> >>> of you tell me your stories about inarependent travel? Hope 
> to hear from
> >> >>> you soon.
> >> >>>
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