[nabs-l] class notes

Thu Feb 27 09:34:11 UTC 2014

I think I will take this tactic for French. I always have trouble getting the spelling down, and then I spend study time fixing my notes. I took notes in Nemeth on a full page slate for algebra, though. Anything harder, I would probably get a note taker. 
Thank you, 
Jewel 

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> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:51 PM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Arielle,
> 
> When I say it's fast paced, I'm referring to foreign language and math
> classes. I'm taking statistics right now and my professor projects his
> materials on the board using an old style overhead projector, which
> means there's no power points or anything for him to send for me to
> follow along. He also does a lot of math problems on the board where
> he will verbalize formulas and numbers on my behalf. However, it's
> extremely difficult for me to follow which numbers he is manipulating
> with and which symbols he is using. With a note taker, they can take
> down all that information for me so I can pay more attention to what
> my professor is saying, instead of struggling to write down every
> correct number. I want to add that I actually do take my own notes as
> well, but they're more of the concepts that my professor is
> verbalizing instead of the numbers. I've figured out this system for
> myself through trial and error. I took a math class during freshman
> year and I was taking my own notes and I did terribly on my first exam
> because my notes weren't clear at all. DS provided me with a note
> taker and I've done a lot better since then. With foreign language,
> it's more an issue with learning how to spell the words and how they
> fit together. I did fine with pronunciation and all that, but my
> spelling was atrocious. Some people are going to say use the textbook,
> but a lot of my professors rely more on their lectures than textbooks.
> They never test materials from textbooks, only from lectures. Also,
> you and other people have mentioned you like to take your own notes
> because you want to deem what is and is not important, I am exactly
> the same way, but there's not really a difference in opinion when
> everything written is important.
> 
> Thanks,
> minh
> 
>> On 2/26/14, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Minh,
>> When you say you need a notetaker because college is fast-paced, what
>> does this really have to do with blindness? Why is it that a sighted
>> notetaker can keep up better than you can? Or would you consider
>> having another blind person be your notetaker?
>> Is it that the sighted notetaker is copying stuff that stays up on the
>> projector after it's been verbalized? Or is there something about the
>> equipment you use that is slower than handwriting?
>> I'm not trying to offend, just trying to better understand the situation.
>> 
>> Arielle
>> 
>>> On 2/26/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I honestly don't like it when people say students "should" or "should
>>> not" do something. I recognize that I am an individual and my learning
>>> styles differ from that of other students and I am in no place to
>>> judge others on the methods that they use to succeed. I'm sure that
>>> there are blind students out there who only use note takers for taking
>>> notes and still excel in their classes. Personally, I take my own
>>> notes, but there are classes that I need someone else to take notes
>>> for me such as foreign language and math because college is so fast
>>> paced that if I were to take my own notes in these classes, I would
>>> miss a ton of information. So I think students need to figure out what
>>> works for them and stick to that, instead of doing what works for
>>> someone else.
>>> 
>>> Minh
>>> 
>>>> On 2/26/14, Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people remember
>>>> things more when we actually write them down and in my own life at least
>>>> that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the main things that makes
>>>> notes most valuable is the actual act of writing. That being the case,
>>>> it
>>>> kind of boggles my mind how people who ostensibly want us to be
>>>> academically
>>>> successful Will, by paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of
>>>> one
>>>> of the most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I
>>>> can
>>>> see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with attention
>>>> disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for most of us, taking
>>>> our
>>>> own notes gives us the best chance to succeed.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner <haleysumner at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take notes
>>>>> during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me their
>>>>> powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for the
>>>>> other
>>>>> students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar to my
>>>>> classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not included in
>>>>> the
>>>>> outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as needed. Like
>>>>> Sophie
>>>>> said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, for if I didn't do
>>>>> this,
>>>>> I
>>>>> would easily get distracted and space off.
>>>>> HTH, :)
>>>>> Haley
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that
>>>>>> taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is
>>>>>> true.
>>>>>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes
>>>>>> space
>>>>>> off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes and
>>>>>> cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a
>>>>>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much as
>>>>>> possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline
>>>>>> posted, I
>>>>>> will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> completely unacceptable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> while.  We don't always know what other
>>>>>> disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to,
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> example, multi-task, but learning to take
>>>>>> notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the
>>>>>> job.
>>>>>> One just isn't always going to have a
>>>>>> scribe to take notes.  My guess is that for at least a while, it is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> easy for sighted people to take notes and
>>>>>> concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be
>>>>>> developed in most cases.  Having someone else
>>>>>> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later,
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> getting your job done might be on the
>>>>>> line rather than a grade.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99
>>>>>> percent of the time. That includes right now.  I use a lap top, but I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> used a notetaker in the past.  Hand written notes must be typed in to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra
>>>>>> Davis
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Kierra Davis
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just a quick question.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them
>>>>>> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> them into a format you can access?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> are handling this situation.
>>>>>> 
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