[nabs-l] Success and Why I Left the NFB

RJ Sandefur joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Sun Mar 30 21:40:05 UTC 2014


Sir, that's why I'm not a member of either organization! Both of you gripe 
and complaine and both organizations why the blind have a seventy percent 
unemployment rate! RJ Sandefur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Capelle" <michael.capelle at frontier.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Success and Why I Left the NFB


> as a member of ACB, peter, you are sadly mistaken, as most of you NFB 
> people are, you sit and bitch, bitch about how ACB is trash, how ACB does 
> this and that, as a proud member of ACB, we do not sit and bash NFB, we 
> dont sit and call your president a dictator, even though my personal 
> opinion, is that he is, how if someone doesn't agree with nfb philosophy, 
> you shun them and kick them to the curb as if they are junk, calling 
> people traders and the like to boost your ego does not and will not 
> achieve anything, you are the sad depressed people who need to see the 
> light or are you just to blind to see the light?
> Lets take a trip back in time if we may, to the year 2000.  ACB held there 
> conference/convention in DesMoines.  Durring the convention, ACB President 
> Chris Grey and other members were treated pourly.  Based on what I have 
> been told,, you nfb people treated acb like we were the plague.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jamie Principato
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Success and Why I Left the NFB
>
> This is exactly the problem I have with the way some within the 
> organization play the political game. The feud with the ACB is nothing but 
> a distraction. It's a tool to give a cub set of members something to rally 
> behind, because nothing says "I'm a dedicated member of the in-group" like 
> sharing a common out-group rival.
>
> And why do you need a computer with internet connection for verification, 
> simply to be a respectful individual and hear a colleague's proposal? 
> Stating that you run a company is not by any means sufficient to scam 
> anyone. And you can always check when you get home if you're so inclined, 
> but to turn them away entirely and claim it is because your laptop isn't 
> handy makes me suspect another motive for turning away a member of the 
> out-group.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 30, 2014, at 2:47 PM, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good afternoon everyone,
>>
>>   I have a few thoughts on this thread. First no one likes anyone who 
>> runs from a fight. Health, work, and other issues can get in the way of 
>> serving in the organization but there are other ways to stay involved. 
>> People are only pushed to the side is they believe they are and don't 
>> find other ways to stay involved. They become lion prey rather than 
>> becoming or remaining lion chasers.
>>
>>   The shunning we've seen is of those who lack blindness skills being 
>> offered the opportunity to learn them from those who just happen to be 
>> NFB members. My advice to such individuals is that of Judge Judy "Get 
>> over it!" If learning to use a computer, honing your Braille skills, 
>> becoming a better traveler will help you become more independent and 
>> create new career opportunities for God sakes except their offers of help 
>> regardless of whose camp they come from.
>>
>>   As for this whole NFB VS ACB junk particularly when ACB members like to 
>> bring up stuff that happened 50 or 60 years ago they have been served 
>> notice from us that such conversations are off limits and they would do 
>> well to "Get over it" and that we're not interested in hearing it. On a 
>> few occasions we had several of them removed from our home due to the 
>> conversation getting out-of-control. And it didn't bother us to see them 
>> pay a $50 cab fare to get home to teach them that continuing to engage in 
>> this kind of non-productive garbage can become a very expensive 
>> proposition.
>>
>>   On several occasions our chapter exhibited at a local resource fair for 
>> those with low vision. Both NFB and ACB had booths at this event. Some of 
>> us went by the ACB table to say hello. At no time did we attempt to harm 
>> their display or interfear with their activities in any way. They did not 
>> return the favor. One year several of their members tried to knock over 
>> our table which had a number of expensive notetakers on it. Our president 
>> at the time should have had the backbone to notify show officials and 
>> have them removed from the event but didn't. On another occasion one of 
>> these ACB folks tried to tell us he was the president of a new company we 
>> may be interested in learning about. Since we did not have a laptop with 
>> an Internet connection present to verify his story or not we were unable 
>> to do anything about it. Had we searched for the name of his company and 
>> found no reference to it online it's possible we could have had him 
>> kicked out for promoting a scam during the expo. By now you know that we 
>> have no patience with those who misrepresent themselves by atempting to 
>> promote a fraudulant company or engage in destructive behavior. The 
>> individual I referred to in this paragraph has served as the Alamo 
>> Council of the Blind's President.
>>
>> On the other hand if they wish to learn about various programs and 
>> services offered by the federation, learn about the BELL Program for 
>> example, our STEM Initiative, or if they would like an opportunity to 
>> ride in a car driven by a blind driver we're game for the conversation. 
>> Yes I know this is rather heavy-handed but there's some history behind 
>> why we've taken such a hard line with these people. It can be best 
>> summarized in a paraphraise of some words of a song by the late Stompin 
>> Tom Conners:
>> "That there may never elsewhere be,
>> Another Philadelphia tragedy,
>> Another philadelphia tragety."
>>
>>   The words above refer to an insident I and several other individuals 
>> were involved in during our 2001 Convention in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. 
>> Disagreements and philosophies among organizations of the blind helped 
>> lead up to this incident. Since taking such a hard stance against those 
>> who have nothing better to do than to run away from battles, sit on 
>> fences, etc there has never been another incident of that kind involving 
>> us. We had a close call in 2012 but heeded the warning signs and took 
>> action prior to that year's national convention to fend it off. Thanks to 
>> our alertness that national convention went without a hitch.
>>
>>   Another thing that disturbs us is the ACB's attempts to undermind our 
>> programs and activities in some states. Did anyone tell them that this is 
>> America and they're free to establish programs and operate them as they 
>> see fit instead of attempting to scuttle the hard work of others?They 
>> attempted to quash NFB Newsline in a few states. If they didn't like the 
>> way the Newsline Program operates they're free to begin a similar program 
>> and operate it as they choose. Fortunately since we now host The Braille 
>> Forum I would hope it's got them thinking twice about that one.
>>
>>   One thing that could help bring about greater unity in the blind 
>> community is if more agency directors had more backbone and laid out to 
>> all potential partners for a program they're considering the criteria 
>> these partners will need to satisfy for consideration instead of feeling 
>> like they need to be all things to all consumer groups of the blind. 
>> Again this is America and we're a free enterprise society. If someone 
>> wishes to be considered to assist with a program or to help fill a need 
>> they need to meet the criteria for consideration. For example if a host 
>> agency decides that immersion training is to be used in the operation of 
>> a particular program or service anyone wishing to partner with this 
>> agency will need to endorse immersion training or they will not be 
>> considered as a venture partner. Thus if ACB wants to be a partner in the 
>> operation of a program or service offered by a blindness agency that 
>> chooses to use immersion training they'll need to over hall their 
>> philosophy and adopt immersion training as a viable way to operate a 
>> program. If they're unwilling to do that they will be filtered and would 
>> do well not to complain that they were left out of consideration and 
>> would do well to refrain from trying to undermind the activities of such 
>> an agency because they were unwilling to adapt their approach and 
>> philosophy to meet changing conditions and needs of the blind. Again we 
>> have no patience with losers according to our standards!
>>
>>   As for Joe's point about fundraising part of this one can be traced to 
>> the approach to career planning taken by many in the field including the 
>> NFB. We hear it every day about how unstable the job market has become 
>> yet we still tell people to go to school, get good grades, and you'll 
>> land that dream job when we should be taking it a step farther and urge 
>> blind individuals, parents, and educators of blind children  to develop 
>> multiple income channels should something happen to your primary income 
>> source and so you will have the funds to support causes such as the 
>> activities of the NFB. We're currently working with the mother of a blind 
>> child in our area to encourage her to do this so she will be bettter able 
>> to meet her blind child's needs as she progresses through school and 
>> college and to have financial resources that will last her for her entire 
>> life instead of just 40 or 50 years of it if even that given the high 
>> unemployment rate we face.
>>
>>   And let's not forget aboutthe the high cost of technology, and the 
>> refusal of the so-called blindness professionals to teach blind children 
>> and adults such valuable skills as Braille and cane travel to name a few. 
>> The NFB needs to urge blind persons and parents of blind children to 
>> develop multiple income sources so in the event that a school district is 
>> unwilling to teach a blind kid Braille no problem. They can hire someone 
>> to teach them privately and perhaps provide a job for another blind 
>> individual. If necessary they could home-school their blind child and 
>> give him/her an education far superior to that offered in many public 
>> schools. Likewise if a state agency refuses to fund a blind person to 
>> attend one of our centers since we urged them and their families to 
>> create ,multiple income streams they could pay for it themselves and to 
>> Hell with the rehab system. The more financial resources you have at your 
>> disposal that you can control the better you can provide for your blind 
>> child or fund the training you yourself wish to obtain.
>>
>>   We attend regular information sessions related to one of our ventures. 
>> Each week we see many college students at these meetings. They're heeding 
>> the advice of those telling them not to put all of their eggs in one 
>> basket. These young folks most often referred to as Generation Y or Gen-Y 
>> for short understand the value of this advice and are creating multiple 
>> income streams for themselves should something happen to them or their 
>> career job. Individuals 30 years of age and under are considered to be a 
>> part of Gen-Y. Like their sighted Gen-Y counterparts blind individuals 
>> should be as intelligent. Consumer organizations of the blind need to 
>> become more agressive in this respect and urge blind persons and their 
>> families to do likewise.
>>
>>
>>      Mary and I have been around professional networking for years. In 
>> the late 1970s a blind individual and his wife became very successful in 
>> a well-known direct selling business achieving an extremely high level of 
>> success. Back then there were no smart phones, no direct delivery of the 
>> products in question to his home as there is now, no Internet portals in 
>> which one can transact business, yet this individual and his wife built 
>> an empire using this concept. The online resources I'm speaking of our 
>> accessible and usable by blind entrepreneurs. We have worked closely with 
>> the company in question to insure that this is so and they have greatly 
>> appreciated our assistance. Given his success one would think other blind 
>> individuals would have followed his lead in large numbers given the 
>> technology and services now available to those persuing careers in the 
>> direct selling industry. We find this state of affairs sad and shameful! 
>> This is something that can change in the years ahead. It's not too late. 
>> Anyone wanting more information about such opportunities is strongly 
>> advised to seek it from credible sources such as attending a meeting like 
>> the one mentioned above. Some of our NFB Lists have been used to spread 
>> information concerning particular companies that is inaccurate, false, 
>> and misleading. We're neither talking about your grandmother's business 
>> opportunity or NFB.
>>
>>
>>
>>   If the NFB wishes to have increased financial support it needs to 
>> change the advice it gives to its members and others with respect to 
>> career options and advise blind consumers to create an income to last 
>> them a lifetime not just for 50 years of it only to end upon skid row 
>> when those years are over. It needs to give the kind of career advice 
>> that will allow its members and others to have the resources needed to 
>> support its programs and to allow blind individuals to maintain a deasent 
>> quality of life.  Now I believe I'm spent. All the best everyone.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
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