[NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image

Tue Aug 21 01:21:38 UTC 2018

Tyler, absolutely. I am no different than any other student signed up for a class, and I expect to have the same access to materials. It is very simple, and it is also very simple for instructors to take screenshots and think no more about the documents they are posting. This is why the best thing to do is help the instructors through university wide training that is required. The majority of the effort is in learning a new way, it is not in the actual document production and presentation, it’s self. This may be difficult for some older instructors, but many of The professors, adjunct instructors, and graduate teaching assistant at Wichita State are taking to it quite well. It is more about people not liking to be told that they are not only doing things wrong, but that they have to make a change to comply with what is in fact the law. Having said all that, there has to be support from the institution so that instructors do not have to go it alone trying to be in compliance.

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> On Aug 20, 2018, at 8:10 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I understand that they are underpaid and underappreciated, but this is
> the point of the DS offices in most colleges. Professors should have the
> foresight and planning to give these materials to the DS office who
> should convert them as it is their job. Again, you are being an
> appologist for the fact that these things are not properly accessible.
> Is it hard and time consuming to find properly tagged docs? Sure, is it
> hard to give the docs to the DS office who can properly convert them so
> that you can have equal access? No. Should DS convert these and have
> them in an easy to read format? The answer is certainly. I don't care
> how underpaid someone is, when I go into debt to get an education and
> can't get the same equal education, we have a problem.
>> On 8/20/2018 9:04 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote:
>> Well, what you said was, "It is really no problem to post properly
>> tagged PDF documents which can be read by screen readers."  That's
>> simply false.  If it were easy, it wouldn't be any hardship for us
>> students to make the files accessible ourselves.  Maybe instructors
>> need to do it anyway despite it being a lot of work (I think they do),
>> but that's a very different thing from claiming that it's no big deal,
>> and instructors are just choosing not to make things accessible.  And
>> I think we need to acknowledge the kind of work we're demanding from
>> instructors, most of whom are under payed and over worked adjuncts or
>> under payed and over worked grad students.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> Date sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:26:23 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
>> 
>> Actually, I work in the media resource center at my university and
>> spend a great deal of time talking to people whose job it is to make
>> these things accessible and train the professors how to either do so
>> or find other material. I never said it was easy, I just said it was
>> not necessary to have an inaccessible version of most articles and
>> that people can and should be trained to do better. Apologism and
>> accessibility are often not compatible.
>> 
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>> On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Emily, It's actually not so simple.  Most of the time when an
>> instructor posts an image PDF, that was the way the article was
>> available to them through the library or that's what their scanner
>> (often used by a random student research assistant produced).  It
>> isn't any easier for the instructor to convert such a document than it
>> is for us blind students to do so.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:03:02 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
>> 
>> Hi. I am very sorry that you�셱e having to go through this, it is
>> completely unnecessary for articles to be posted this way and for the
>> disability office to be this slow. What I would suggest, even though
>> it is definitely not ideal, is to utilize windows OCR that is built
>> into windows 10. I�셫 not sure it will work, because I have not had to
>> mess with one of these types of documents in a few months, but when
>> you open the PDF hit insert are. You should hear your screen reader
>> say recognizing and then it should read for you. Just so you know, it
>> is wrong for your instructor to be utilizing this type of PDF
>> formatting. It is really no problem to post properly tagged PDF
>> documents which can be read by screen readers. Unfortunately, most
>> faculty is not aware of this, and most universities are not offering
>> the proper training. May I ask what college or university you are
>> studying at?
>> The very best of luck to you.
>> 
>> Emily Schlenker
>> 
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>> On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What
>> is the quickest way to read them.
>> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word
>> document.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Shikha Desai
>> Bachelor of Social Work
>> Georgia State University
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