[nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
Haben Girma
habnkid at aol.com
Sun Feb 15 23:38:40 UTC 2009
Linda, thanks for so much information about the Seeing Eye! I'm looking
forward to getting a seeing eye dog. One more question, if you don't
mind. Do seeing eye candidates have any influence over what kind of
dog/which dog they are partnered up with?
Haben
lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
> Hi Haben,
> Unfortunately, the Naval Medical Center cannot pay us. They're
> cutting their paid staff! And wasting money to revamp several areas on
> the base. It would be nice to be paid, but...you know how that is.
> I'm glad you enjoyed the articles. We enjoy what we do pay or no
> pay. I'd say that our "pay" is the contribution to the healing of our
> Wounded Warriors. These servicemembers are all mostly 18 and 19 year
> olds who went into the military because they wanted to serve the
> country they love. We feel that the program is a way that we can also
> serve our country - we can't serve in the military ourselves. We see
> first hand what this long war in Iraq and Afghanistan is doing to our
> young people. Most of the wounded are brain injuries, depression, and
> PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). Unlike in the war in Vietnam,
> the current servicemembers have to be deployed for over a year at a
> time and they are also deployed over and over. Even sick folks are
> sent back! Not good. Many of our patients are so sick and affected
> for life that they are forced out of the military. They all say in
> their exit interviews that the Paws That Heal program was a huge help
> in their recovery.
>
> Well, until yesterday, all the Paws That Heal canine staff were Seeing
> Eye dogs! We have accepted our newest staffmember and her dog is from
> Guide Dogs for the Blind - San Rafael Campus. We didn't ever
> discriminate against dogs from other schools - we just didn't have any
> who qualified until now (smile!).
>
> Now, about Seeing Eye. You are treated as the mature adult that they
> assume you are. The campus is really nice - nestled in the lovely
> rolling hills of Washington Valley in Morris Township, New Jersey.
> The living arrangements are comfortable and homey. The grounds are
> nice to walk around. There's a leisure path with two gazebos. The
> staff is very friendly and professional in their interactions with the
> blind people. The Seeing Eye is a tough place to find job openings -
> even jobs like cooks or housekeeping. They are a great employer and
> people don't want to leave! All of the staff is comfortable with
> blindness. I've heard that the staff spends some time under blindfold
> for them to gain a sensitivity towards the blind people they work
> with. You have your own room to yourself with your own bathroom.
> There are lounges to hang out in with stereos and TVs. There's an
> exercise room, laundryroom, dog grooming room, and a computer room
> with CCTVs and a Ham Radio if you are qualified to use that. In each
> room is a radio, I think they still have Satellite radio that a
> graduate donated for the dorm. They got this right after I was there.
>
> The diningroom similates a restaurant setting. At lunch time during
> the weekdays, the whole staff eats there. One or two staff people
> sits at each table with the students. Other staffmembers eat in
> another area that the students must pass through as the staff come to
> eat about ten minutes before the students are called to lunch. Now,
> this teaches us how to handle our new dogs in a situation where people
> are already eating at tables and we learn how to keep proper control
> of our dogs in a place where there is food around. The food is
> delicious and is much like that served in a fine-dining restaurant.
> They feed you so good that we have to make use of the exercise room
> and the leisure path!
>
> The training is the best I've experienced. I have attended three
> other schools before I attended The Seeing Eye. After experiencing
> The Seeing Eye, I will not even consider any other school. The other
> schools do a decent job, but the Seeing Eye still shines brighter.
>
> The instructors are very good and thorough in teaching us EVERYTHING
> we need to know aboout guide dog care and use. We train in Morristown
> - a lovely town - and other nearby communities. We have four basic
> routes that we do in the beginning. Towards the end we do "free
> lance" which is any particular aspect of training that you feel you
> need. With one dog, I was living nearby my sister-in-law who has
> horses. I was always over there and riding. I needed to have a dog
> who wouldn't freak out over horses. My instructor arranged a visit to
> a barn full of horses. With Landon, my instructors knew about my work
> with Paws That Heal. I was taken on a visit to a nursing home and
> Landon got to visit with the patients. He loved it! We have lots of
> good lectures. We get training with traffic checks, even with the
> hybrid Prius car! Each instructor has four students in his or her
> class so you get alot of personal attention.
>
> I would say that the experience is like a working vacation. Learn all
> you can and have fun! If you have any concerns - no matter what -
> talk to your instructor. The only "stupid question" is the one never
> asked (grin!).
>
> Also, you have a ready made community right here on the NAGDU List.
> We are a wealth of information and experience here as we represent
> many, many years of hands-on experience with using guide dogs.
>
> Hopefully, this has answered your questions (grin).
>
> Take care and let us know when you go to Seeing Eye.
>
> Regards,
>
> Linda and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>
>
>>
>> Hey Linda, I loved the articles. It's very touching, such a truly
>> marvelous program. You should ask the Naval Medical Center to pay the
>> blind volunteers? The program has proven its benefits, its
>> successfulness, and I'm sure many of the military men you serve in
>> the program would agree. It wouldn't hurt to ask.
>>
>> I've heard many good things about The Seeing Eye. I'd love to hear
>> your reasons for ranking it as the best school. I laughed when I read
>> that only Seeing Eye teams had passed the interviews for Paws that Heal.
>>
>> best,
>> Haben
>>
>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>> Hi Haben,
>>> Yes, isn't it a shame that governments get in the way sometimes.
>>> The singer/songwriter Sting has a song about the Cold War between
>>> the US and the old USSR. There is a reoccuring line in the song
>>> about the Russians loving their children as the Americans love
>>> theirs! Thanks for the explanations about Eritrea and Ethiopia.
>>>
>>> Hey! Wonderful about you going to The Seeing Eye! I've been to
>>> several other schools over the years - I've had dogs since 1973. I
>>> like The Seeing Eye the best. I would have started out with them
>>> back in 1973 but, at that time, The Seeing Eye didn't accept people
>>> who still had some usable vision. They soon realized that some
>>> people with limited vision do well with guide dogs and began to
>>> accept us. There are some people who have some vision and they
>>> don't learn to trust the dog and it doesn't go well for the team.
>>> Some people with partial vision second guess the dog and the team
>>> gets in trouble. You get hurt because the envirnment isn't what you
>>> thought you saw. The dog gets real confused and stops doing its job.
>>> The Seeing Eye will work you under blindfold if they suspect you are
>>> having trust troubles with your dog. Most people learn to trust
>>> their dog.
>>>
>>> There are ways to use the usable vision with the dog. I do that all
>>> the time. However, I "listen" to my dog if he doesn't want to go
>>> through something or he takes me around a black spot on the sidewalk
>>> - that tells me that the black spot was actually a hole! So, TRUST
>>> YOUR DOG! (grin!) I also have no night vision - just lights
>>> "floating" in the blackness of the night. I HAVE to trust my dog as
>>> if I were totally blind.
>>>
>>> I also use ZoomText for the PDF files. What did you think about the
>>> Paws program?
>>>
>>> You take care,
>>>
>>> Linda and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Linda,
>>>>
>>>> The governments of Eritrea and Ethiopia do not get along at all,
>>>> they've been at the verge of war for the last few years, with
>>>> fighting breaking out at the border every now and then. The typical
>>>> civilian does not hate the civilians of the other country. I have
>>>> family on both sides of the border, and quite a lot of people have
>>>> family on both sides. The cultures are very similar, almost
>>>> identical, and some parts of each country share languages. Most
>>>> Eritreans don't like Ethiopia, but they have Ethiopian friends.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I was able to read the attachments. I use ZoomText, so the
>>>> pdfs weren't a problem. I hope the interview with the woman goes well.
>>>>
>>>> I hope to have a dog by this summer, I'm in the application process
>>>> with The Seeing Eye at the moment. I've heard lots of good things
>>>> about that place.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Haben
>>>>
>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>> Thanks. We have alot of Eritrians here in San Diego. I heard
>>>>> that the Eritreans and the Ethiopians don't like each other - is
>>>>> this true? I hope not - I don't like people having age-old grudges
>>>>> against each other - you know - it limits your friendships with
>>>>> people. (grin!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Were you able to read the Paws That Heal attachments I sent you?
>>>>> I know that screen readers and PDF files don't always agree with
>>>>> each other. Tell me what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomorrow, we're interviewing a local woman and her guide dog for
>>>>> the Paws program. I want to make sure we have another good person
>>>>> in it before I have to leave in July.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if I missed something - do you have a dog? If so,
>>>>> what kind is it and what's its name? I do know that we have
>>>>> people on the list who are between dogs, exploring the
>>>>> possibilities for a first dog. My dog Landon is a Golden/Lab mix
>>>>> and he's red. He's from the Seeing Eye in New Jersey.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the articles, Linda!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I identify as female, born in California with family from
>>>>>> Eritrea, East Africa. Haben is actually a gender neutral name in
>>>>>> Eritrea, so it's a legitimate question all around. I like the
>>>>>> ambiguity, especially when filling out applications for various
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>>>> Attached are a couple of articles and a flyer aboout the Paws
>>>>>>> That Heal program. One article and the flyer are in PDF files
>>>>>>> and the other article is in a work doc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't tell from your name if you are a male or female - I just
>>>>>>> like to know what I'm talking to! (grin). What nationality is
>>>>>>> your name? I'm half Polish. It took me an age to find out that
>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala is a man!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enjoy the articles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: Your home e-mail didn't work so this is on the list.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:03 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linda, I am absolutely intrigued! That is such a lovely
>>>>>>>> program! I really hope I can find something like that in the
>>>>>>>> Portland, Oregon area. I am a college student currently taking
>>>>>>>> an anthropology class that requires students to go out and do
>>>>>>>> fieldwork. I am considering doing something with Guide Dogs for
>>>>>>>> the Blind in Boring, Oregon. Right now I'm going to search the
>>>>>>>> Internet for a dog therapy program in Portland. Thanks for
>>>>>>>> sharing LInda!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>>>>>> There is no web page for Paws That Heal. We are a 3 year old
>>>>>>>>> program that is run out of the Health & Wellness Department
>>>>>>>>> for the Naval Medical Center of San Diego. The program
>>>>>>>>> manager is their Diabetes Instructor. She is visually impaired
>>>>>>>>> with a guide dog and she started the program after an
>>>>>>>>> encounter in the elevator with a Wounded Warrior in her
>>>>>>>>> building. The servicemember had a profound stutter and it
>>>>>>>>> took him five minutes to stutter out, "May I pet your dog?"
>>>>>>>>> My friend - the instructor - allowed him to pet her dog and
>>>>>>>>> the stutter went away just like that! He then shared his war
>>>>>>>>> experiences with her - the servicemember was wounded in Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, the Diabetes instructor happens to have been a friend
>>>>>>>>> of mine for years. She also knows several of the other guide
>>>>>>>>> dog users in the San Diego area who already had a program with
>>>>>>>>> the local blind center where we bring our dogs to an outdoor,
>>>>>>>>> fenced in dog park to allow the guide dogs play time
>>>>>>>>> together. We had exclusive use of one of the fenced in areas
>>>>>>>>> for two hours once a month. The friend of mine worked with us
>>>>>>>>> and her chain of command at the hospital and permission was
>>>>>>>>> granted to bring several wounded servicemembers to the park to
>>>>>>>>> play with our dogs - and Paws That Heal was born. We also
>>>>>>>>> have a portion of the program where we go to the locked mental
>>>>>>>>> health ward to work with the servicemembers with PTSD and
>>>>>>>>> depression. More great stuff happened as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do have a flyer for the program but it is in a PDF file and
>>>>>>>>> turned sideways - don't know if a screen reader can desipher it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The program manager has written to Marion Gwizdala and he in
>>>>>>>>> turn had her contact Mike Hingson about the program. We are
>>>>>>>>> looking for some new teams to work with us who live in the San
>>>>>>>>> Diego area. The Paws program happens three times a month at
>>>>>>>>> the hospital so we need people who can get there, can commit
>>>>>>>>> the time, and pass the interviewing process - both human and dog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I forgot, where do you live?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma"
>>>>>>>>> <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:13 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Haben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Linda, those volunteer programs sound awesome! Would you send
>>>>>>>>>> me the web address for Paws that Heal? I'd love to read more
>>>>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list, Haben.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm Linda and I live in San Diego - soon to move to Vermont.
>>>>>>>>>>> Landon is my 3 year old red Lab/Golden cross from The Seeing
>>>>>>>>>>> Eye. I got him in the October 2007 class. I am 58 years
>>>>>>>>>>> young and have not had a paid job in eons. I've done lots of
>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer jobs to get experience to put on a resume! Right
>>>>>>>>>>> now, Landon and I work at two pet therapy programs. One for
>>>>>>>>>>> the Humane Society where we visit various facilities for
>>>>>>>>>>> disabled kids and adults. Landon is certified by the AKC's
>>>>>>>>>>> Canine Good Citizenship Test. Landon is their program's
>>>>>>>>>>> first actual working assistance dog they've had. Lots of
>>>>>>>>>>> guide dog and service dog pups, but we are their first
>>>>>>>>>>> working team to be in the program. The other one is a
>>>>>>>>>>> program called Paws That Heal that is at the Naval Medical
>>>>>>>>>>> Center of SD. Both Landon and I had to pass a series of
>>>>>>>>>>> interviews for this. We do a combo pet therapy,
>>>>>>>>>>> socialization, and reintegration work with our Wounded
>>>>>>>>>>> Warriors from Iraq and Afghanistan. We work mainly with the
>>>>>>>>>>> patients on the mental health ward.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Haben, you'll enjoy this list - it's alot of fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma"
>>>>>>>>>>> <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Haben
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mardi, thanks for the explanations. I love the names of
>>>>>>>>>>>> your dogs. I actually don't have a dog, I'm in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> application process for a Seeing Eye dog right now. So, I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> patiently waiting to learn my fate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi Hadfield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Welcome Haben. No, I don't live in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alaska. My Huskies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are "south paws" We live in Tucson, Arizona. When I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first needed a guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog, I was told that the schools did not train for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair users.Since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already had a service dog, who was a husky, I hired a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trainer to help me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> train Lily to guide me. I had to retire her at age 8 as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she had health
>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues and she died month later, leaving me with out a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide dog. I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out a border collie and he did not work out as he had been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> abused before I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> got him and he could not handle being out in public. Then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> husky, Nala,who was a fantastic guide. She will soon be 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years old and has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> health issues now.She has guided me for 8 years and it has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been hard to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> retire her as she does not want to retire. When she sees
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me getting ready to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go out, she brings me her harness and get all excited. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>> started picking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fights with Wanagi, the dog that I was training to take
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over for Nala. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a lot happier now that she is working again part time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanagi came up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lame with a hip problem, so she was career changed. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping her as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pet. I have been looking for a dog to take over as my new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide for over 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> months. I think I have finally found a dog.I would love to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a dog from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fidelco,but when I asked about it ,I was told that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't train for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair users.I would have to pay my way to and from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> South Eastern Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogs, which I could not afford, and really can't be away
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that long. Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogs for the Blind would take me ,but again, I can't be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from my home
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and business that long. So I guess I will just continue to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> train my own
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guides with the help of my trainer. Haben, do you have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide dog? If so ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what breed is it? I love hearing from others and about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their dogs. Have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great day, Mardi and Nala,semi-retired, and Shaman ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible trainee.
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