[nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness

Thu Oct 29 09:37:28 UTC 2009

Albert,
    Since I am not an attorney, the only answer I can give you is that 
Section 307 of the ADA specifically exempts certain organizations, such as 
private clubs and religious organizations. Therefore, the best we can do is 
attempt to educate those institutions as to why it would be good practice to 
provide access to their services and programs. I have done this successfully 
for several people who were denied access to or required to sit in a 
specific section of churches

Fraternally yours,
Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness


>i am not sure. Are you saying that the separation of church and state
> precludes all houses of worship from adhereing to the ada?
>
> Albert J. Rizzi
> CEO/Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York  10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion & Martin
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:58 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness
>
> Albert,
>    Did my previous message answer your question?
>
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness
>
>
>> Hy would a church not be required to follow the ada
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
>> www.myblindspot.org
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>> is
>> doing it."
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:47 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness
>>
>> Since churches don't need to follow the ADA, could they allow a pet and
>> disallow a service animal?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marion & Martin
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:29 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness
>>
>> Dar,
>>    I completely understand the frustration felt by those who take
>> advantage
>> of the legal provisions in place to protect our civil rights by taking
>> pets
>> into public places. Unfortunately, too many are not aware of the
>> difference
>> between a service animal, comfort/assistance animals, and pets! If the
>> Deacon were to have been better informed, he might have asked "What
>> service
>> does the animal perform?" If she were to have said, "It comforts me!"
>> and he
>> was well-informed he might have been able to tell her it was not a
>> service
>> animal, as comfort is not a trained task, but an innate capacity.
>> Furthermore, churches are not a public accommodation under the ADA and
>> are
>> not required to modify their policies, practices, and procedures for a
>> person who is disabled. In other words, a church does not need to follow
>> the
>> ADA and allow service animals on their properties.
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness
>>
>>
>>> This was a month or so ago,
>>> a lady came to mass with her pet.
>>> The Deacon asked if she had a service dog, where she said yes.
>>> I knew from the start yes was no.
>>> I asked her if she trained her dog where she said yes she did.
>>> That the dog was 19 years old.
>>> Had the dog from a pup.
>>> I asked her what the dog did for her, where she said kept her calm.
>>> We got threw mass, when my dog wanted to greet, which I don't allow I
>>> corrected.
>>> Even outside going down the stairs, the lady realized I wasn't going
>> to
>>> let my dog greet, so she never came back again.
>>> My dog is such a rat around other dogs.
>>> Not so much with guides when he sees they are being controled.
>>> he does talk to me about this problem though.
>>> I felt angry that this lady took advantage of the Deacon.
>>> I never said a word to him about this matter.
>>> If the lady kept coming and the dogs were causing problems then I
>> would
>>> have said more.
>>> There may come a day when I need to train my own dog.
>>> If the school I went to couldn't pay for the plane ticket.
>>> Where I would make sure I followed all the steps needed.
>>> I am not against home training.
>>> Just don't care for folks taking advantage.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> --Dar
>>> skype
>>> dmgina23
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
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