[nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs

Sun Apr 25 22:31:54 UTC 2010

Albert,

The ACAA and the ADA are different laws with different jurisdictions.

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs

> Interesting. How is it that the aca can in essence go against the ADA on
> that point? Is that since 9 11? Interesting divesting from what is allowed
> or not allowed when on the ground. Thanks for the info.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:50 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>
> Albert,
>
> My understanding is that yes, under the ACAA they can ask for ID as proof 
> of
>
> an animal as a service animal.  However ID is not required as a condition 
> of
>
> access under the ACAA.  I'm remembering that there are four items that 
> count
>
> as proof: ID, presence of cape/harness/specialized equipment, a letter 
> from
> a health care professional or the credible verbal assurances of the 
> handler.
>
> Any one of the four works as evidence that an animal is a service animal. 
> I
>
> should add that this information may not be accurate after the recent
> changes.
>
> So they can ask for ID, but if you offer credible verbal assurance that 
> your
>
> dog in harness is a guide, it's all good! *smile*
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>
>
>> Does the aca allow for asking for identification  in any instance to
>> support
>> proof of disability or need for a service animal?
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
>> www.myblindspot.org
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>> is
>> doing it."
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:51 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>>
>> Jewel,
>>    First of all, we are not required to produce identification for our
>> service animals. Access is based upon the credible assertions of the
>> disabled person. As for air carriers, they are not under the jurisdiction
>> of
>>
>> the Department of Justice nor the provisions of the ADA. They are under
>> the
>> jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Transportation and the Air Carrier
>> Access Act (ACAA).
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>>
>>
>>> They can't refuse you just because you don't have a specific card, can
>>> they? They are only allowed to ask what tasks the dog performs for
>>> you, and cannot ask what your disability is. To deny access because
>>> you don't have an ID like that is against ADA, isn't it? I understnd
>>> needing rabie shot and vaccine paperwork, but they can't seriously
>>> deny you for not having a school id, right?
>>>
>>> ~Jewel
>>>
>>> On 4/23/10, Susan Jones <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On one occasion, when I was flying Southwest Airlines from Indy to
>>>> Chicago,
>>>> they asked to see my Guiding Eyes ID card.
>>>> Glad I was that I had it, or they may not have let me onto the plane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:54 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>>>>
>>>> In 30 years of using guide dogs, I think I've shown my guide dog ID
>>>> maybe
>>>> twice. If I didn't have it, I probably wouldn't notice.
>>>>
>>>> Gee, I'd love one of them self-trained guide dogs! <grin>  Just pick 
>>>> out
>>>> a
>>>> dog I like, do the magic self-training spell, et voila! Sounds great!
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> Cheryl O,
>>>>>
>>>>> In the U.S. ID cards or certification isn't required as a condition of
>>>>> access.  I don't have any guide dog ID.  I used to carry copies of
>>>>> state laws, but they got old and ratty and I haven't printed new ones.
>>>>> BTW I have never been asked for ID or had any access challenges
>>>>> concerning my owner trained guide dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cheryl Osborn" <chapalacheryl at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:27 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would like to know what people use for identification cards when
>>>>>>they have trained their own dogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheryl in Mexico
>>>>>> chapalacheryl at gmail.com
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