[nagdu] Sniffing.
Tara Sena
tmatzick06 at gmail.com
Thu Aug 19 18:05:44 UTC 2010
Hi all,
I'm curious what a Cannie collar is? I use a GL with Rica and she does just
fine with it. I typically use it in Petsmart since she gets highly
distracted in that store...
Tara
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1. Re: Sniffing (The Pawpower Pack)
2. Re: Sniffing (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
3. Re: Sniffing (Tracy Carcione)
4. Re: Sniffing (Julie J)
5. program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses (Lora)
6. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(Buddy Brannan)
7. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(Susan Jones)
8. Re: Sniffing (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
9. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(Tamara Smith-Kinney)
10. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(GARY STEEVES)
11. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses (Julie J)
12. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses (Julie J)
13. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(Buddy Brannan)
14. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses (d m gina)
15. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(Susan Jones)
16. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses (Lora)
17. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(Pawpower Creations)
18. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(Margo and Arrow)
19. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(Tamara Smith-Kinney)
20. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(Pawpower Creations)
21. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses (Lora)
22. Re: program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
(Meghan Whalen)
23. Another Reason for Having Your Own Harness (Marion Gwizdala)
24. Fan's every visit to Yankee Stadium a result of teamwork
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27. Re: Fan's every visit to Yankee Stadium a result of teamwork
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28. to Jess re: slowing your pooch down (Dan Sweeney)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:07:16 -0500
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Hi Tina,
What is a Cannie collar? How is it different from a gl?
Rox and the Kitchen Bitches:
Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:52:00 -0700
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Okay, I give. What's a canny collar?
I use a Halti or GL for communication with the poodle nose, and occasionally
will use a leash twitch now for a reminder to Mitzi to pay attention, but in
training she was dedicated to ignoring the thing and would sniff more
sometimes just to prove her point. /smile/ Then, of course, there are all
the antics to let me -- and anyone else around who will think she's cute --
what misery and suffering it causes her. She saves the melodrama for
special occasions, generally when she's bored and there's an audience. You
would think it was made of barbed wire or something. Of course, I still
find myself falling for the act and checking to make sure it hasn't grown
sharp burrs or something while I wasn't looking. Good grief!
What has ended up working with sniffing is to use "Leave it! Forward!" with
a leash twitch on the Halti or a harness bump if she's being really snotty.
Then click and praise, with a controlled sniff at the place of my choosing
as a reward. Also, lots and lots of patience for what seemed like a long,
long time. She's just now growing out of rebel sniffing, or so it seems.
Another thing she saves up for special occasions just to remind she is still
a Mitzi poodle. /smile/ And, of course, she still gets a thrill out of
finding ways to get in a good scavenge, which is what really gives me fits.
The joy seems to be in the art of tricking me into letting her get a grab at
something tasty, but who knows what it is? Also, the reward of getting to
chow down the goody before I can take it away from her makes the whole thing
pretty self-rewarding for her. Grr! I seem to be winning that one,
finally, but that just makes it more challenging for her, so more fun. I
keep coming up with new ways to prevent it, and she keeps coming up with new
ways to get away with it. Then, while I'm recovering from the latest
skirmish and have my dog sitting properly and looking all professional and
well-trained and innocent as a lamb and I'm catching my mental breath and
getting around to wondering what it was and if I'm going to have vet bills
because of it (so far, so good), that's about the time somebody pauses in
walking by to admire her and how good she is... And then starts going on
about how they've read that poodles are the smartest dogs ever, except for
maybe border collies, and... I stare haggardly and remember to force a
smile. Oh, yeah. She's stinkin' brilliant, really, and it's great for her
job, she's a really great guide and I love the way she uses all those curly
brains in her work... It's just when she uses them to get into trouble that
I have a problem keeping up. /grin/ "Next time," I will tell her
cheerfully, "I'm getting a stupid dog!" Maybe that way I can do the
outsmarting once in awhile.
Tami Smith-Kinney
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sniffing
Hi Tracey- The gentle leader doesn't work on Dixie either. It just causes
her to be more distracted. However, I found that the canny collar works
because it allows me to feel what her head is doing and also I can correct
her if necessary using the collar.
Tina and Dixie
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sniffing
I hear many people say this, but it was not my experience. Ben is one of
the great sniffers of our time. I tried the gentle leader, but he still
sniffed, and I couldn't pull his head out of a bush with the gentle
leader. It also tended to slow him down, which gave him more time to
think about sniffing.
I'm glad it works for some, but it didn't work for me.
The things that keep Ben from sniffing are challenging work that takes all
his attention, or the pinch collar.
One of the trainers who came out to help me called it "multi-tasking." If
the work doesn't take all his attention, he figures he can get a little
sniffing in.
If Benny was a programmer like me, he'd be the guy who comes in, looks at
his email, checks out the news, looks at his stocks, has a little gossip
with the neighbors, and oh yeah, gets some work done. But when that
killer project comes along that really needs his high-powered mind, he's
all business and gets it done fast and right.
Tracy
> Hello Suzy- Have you tried using a gentle leader or a canny collar? Both
> of
> these tools help to keep the dogs focused.
> Tina
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Suzy Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:49 PM
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> Subject: [nagdu] Sniffing
>
>
> Hi everybody,
> As a first time guide dog user, I wanted to ask the group, does anybody
> have
> problems with their dog staying focused on the job? I know it's normal
> instinct for dogs to sniff, but sometimes Dodie is obessessed about
> sniffing, it gets in the way of her focus and concentration and I wind up
> being walked into a trash can or some object on the way to our
> destination.
> I might be expecting too much psychologically of her but sometimes it
> seems
> like she doesn't take her job of keeping me safe very seriously or doesn't
> understand how important it is because she's too busy sniffing! What can I
> do to help her stop sniffing and stay focused on where she's leading me?
> -Suzy & Dodie
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:40:31 -0400
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sniffing
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Hi Tina.
Glad to hear that my Benny isn't the only one who doesn't respond to the
gentle leader as advertised.
Eagerly awaiting the answer to the question on everyone's lips: What's a
cannie collar?
Tracy
> Hi Tracey- The gentle leader doesn't work on Dixie either. It just causes
> her to be more distracted. However, I found that the canny collar works
> because it allows me to feel what her head is doing and also I can correct
> her if necessary using the collar.
> Tina and Dixie
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:36 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sniffing
>
> I hear many people say this, but it was not my experience. Ben is one of
> the great sniffers of our time. I tried the gentle leader, but he still
> sniffed, and I couldn't pull his head out of a bush with the gentle
> leader. It also tended to slow him down, which gave him more time to
> think about sniffing.
> I'm glad it works for some, but it didn't work for me.
> The things that keep Ben from sniffing are challenging work that takes all
> his attention, or the pinch collar.
>
> One of the trainers who came out to help me called it "multi-tasking." If
> the work doesn't take all his attention, he figures he can get a little
> sniffing in.
> If Benny was a programmer like me, he'd be the guy who comes in, looks at
> his email, checks out the news, looks at his stocks, has a little gossip
> with the neighbors, and oh yeah, gets some work done. But when that
> killer project comes along that really needs his high-powered mind, he's
> all business and gets it done fast and right.
> Tracy
>
>> Hello Suzy- Have you tried using a gentle leader or a canny collar? Both
>> of
>> these tools help to keep the dogs focused.
>> Tina
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Suzy Wilson
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:49 PM
>> To: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GUIDE DOG USERS
>> Subject: [nagdu] Sniffing
>>
>>
>> Hi everybody,
>> As a first time guide dog user, I wanted to ask the group, does anybody
>> have
>> problems with their dog staying focused on the job? I know it's normal
>> instinct for dogs to sniff, but sometimes Dodie is obessessed about
>> sniffing, it gets in the way of her focus and concentration and I wind
>> up
>> being walked into a trash can or some object on the way to our
>> destination.
>> I might be expecting too much psychologically of her but sometimes it
>> seems
>> like she doesn't take her job of keeping me safe very seriously or
>> doesn't
>> understand how important it is because she's too busy sniffing! What can
>> I
>> do to help her stop sniffing and stay focused on where she's leading me?
>> -Suzy & Dodie
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:23:15 -0500
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sniffing
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I looked at the Cannie sp? collar a few months ago. I thought seriously
about buying one. In the end I decided not to. Here's what I found out.
It's a head collar similar to the Gentle Leader or Haltie. the main
difference is that the leash attaches at the back of the head/top of the
neck instead of under the chin of the dog. When you pull on the leash it
tightens both around the neck and pulls the nose loop down. But since the
leash attaches at the back you don't get the sideways pull on the head,
which I think is a good thing.
The only concern I have heard about the thing is that if you continue to
pull on the leash past where it is safe to do so, the dog's nose will
continue to be pulled down and it could possibly cause a neck injury. For a
guide dog that is generally well behaved and you're just refining a behavior
I think it would be appropriate. I don't think it'd work for a rambunctious
dog just learning to walk on leash though. At least I'd worry about too
much pulling and damaging vertebrae.
It's also rather expensive at about $50. In the end I just couldn't part
with that amount of cash.
HTH
Julie
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:36:57 -0600
From: Lora <blindhistory at gmail.com>
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Subject: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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For a topic of discussion.
For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
--
Lora
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:48:22 -0400
From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
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A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can be
summed up in two words: removable handle.
With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end by
about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get stuck
under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the corners of the
grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams. I fully expect that,
in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power harness, though of course not
right away. I'm giving some thought to having mine retrofitted with the
American style "ears"; mine is the sports harness, which I like a lot. The
only thing is since the handle moves completely freely, it is possible to
overwalk your dog if you're not careful to avoid doing so. This was
something I had not thought about when ordering, and in reality, it's only a
very small thing and I may not even bother about it.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
> For a topic of discussion.
> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
> --
> Lora
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:42:40 -0400
From: "Susan Jones" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
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Dear Laura and listers,
I switched to the Paw Power Creations harness because it is primarily nylon,
not leather. It wears better, is easy to wash, and is much lighter for the
dog to wear.
Susan & Rhoda
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For a topic of discussion.
For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
--
Lora
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:55:15 -0700
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
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Ah! Enlightenment! I see the concept and see where it could work in some
situations if used properly... Think I'll stick with what we have now,
though, because that's what we're used to and what we've developed our whole
communications system around. /smile/
I will definitely keep it mind for a future pup, though! And may I just
mention that it is really nice to think back on when that would have come in
really handy, then shrug and think, "Nah. No worries." /grin/ Finally, I'm
getting to where I can just take my guide dog for granted! Happy good
times.
Tami Smith-Kinney
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Of Julie J
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:23 PM
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I looked at the Cannie sp? collar a few months ago. I thought seriously
about buying one. In the end I decided not to. Here's what I found out.
It's a head collar similar to the Gentle Leader or Haltie. the main
difference is that the leash attaches at the back of the head/top of the
neck instead of under the chin of the dog. When you pull on the leash it
tightens both around the neck and pulls the nose loop down. But since the
leash attaches at the back you don't get the sideways pull on the head,
which I think is a good thing.
The only concern I have heard about the thing is that if you continue to
pull on the leash past where it is safe to do so, the dog's nose will
continue to be pulled down and it could possibly cause a neck injury. For a
guide dog that is generally well behaved and you're just refining a behavior
I think it would be appropriate. I don't think it'd work for a rambunctious
dog just learning to walk on leash though. At least I'd worry about too
much pulling and damaging vertebrae.
It's also rather expensive at about $50. In the end I just couldn't part
with that amount of cash.
HTH
Julie
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:59:00 -0700
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
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Buddy,
Since I started with the sport harness nad did my training and then my own
learning with it, it seemed to take forever to get beyond overwalking my
dog... And that was after someone was good enough to point out what I was
doing. D'oh!
Still, now that I'm tuned in and have better habits, I can use the
communication from the handle to stop on a dime.
And seconds on the removable handle. Love it!
Tami Smith-Kinney
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Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can be
summed up in two words: removable handle.
With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end by
about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get stuck
under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the corners of the
grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams. I fully expect that,
in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power harness, though of course not
right away. I'm giving some thought to having mine retrofitted with the
American style "ears"; mine is the sports harness, which I like a lot. The
only thing is since the handle moves completely freely, it is possible to
overwalk your dog if you're not careful to avoid doing so. This was
something I had not thought about when ordering, and in reality, it's only a
very small thing and I may not even bother about it.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
> For a topic of discussion.
> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
> --
> Lora
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:13:59 -0700
From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
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Hi
What does "over walking" the dog mean?
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Tamara Smith-Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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> Buddy,
>
> Since I started with the sport harness nad did my training and
> then my own
> learning with it, it seemed to take forever to get beyond
> overwalking my
> dog... And that was after someone was good enough to point
> out what I was
> doing. D'oh!
>
> Still, now that I'm tuned in and have better habits, I can use the
> communication from the handle to stop on a dime.
>
> And seconds on the removable handle. Love it!
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>
> A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations
> harness can be
> summed up in two words: removable handle.
>
> With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his
> back end by
> about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would
> get stuck
> under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the
> corners of the
> grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams. I fully
> expect that,
> in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power harness, though of
> course not
> right away. I'm giving some thought to having mine retrofitted
> with the
> American style "ears"; mine is the sports harness, which I like
> a lot. The
> only thing is since the handle moves completely freely, it is
> possible to
> overwalk your dog if you're not careful to avoid doing so. This was
> something I had not thought about when ordering, and in reality,
> it's only a
> very small thing and I may not even bother about it.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
>
> > For a topic of discussion.
> > For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower
> creations> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of
> the nonmetal
> > component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
> > --
> > Lora
> >
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:19:57 -0500
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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Just that the dog stops and the person keeps going.
HTH
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "GARY STEEVES" <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>
> Hi
>
> What does "over walking" the dog mean?
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tamara Smith-Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>
>> Buddy,
>>
>> Since I started with the sport harness nad did my training and
>> then my own
>> learning with it, it seemed to take forever to get beyond
>> overwalking my
>> dog... And that was after someone was good enough to point
>> out what I was
>> doing. D'oh!
>>
>> Still, now that I'm tuned in and have better habits, I can use the
>> communication from the handle to stop on a dime.
>>
>> And seconds on the removable handle. Love it!
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf
>> Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:48 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>>
>> A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations
>> harness can be
>> summed up in two words: removable handle.
>>
>> With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his
>> back end by
>> about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would
>> get stuck
>> under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the
>> corners of the
>> grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams. I fully
>> expect that,
>> in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power harness, though of
>> course not
>> right away. I'm giving some thought to having mine retrofitted
>> with the
>> American style "ears"; mine is the sports harness, which I like
>> a lot. The
>> only thing is since the handle moves completely freely, it is
>> possible to
>> overwalk your dog if you're not careful to avoid doing so. This was
>> something I had not thought about when ordering, and in reality,
>> it's only a
>> very small thing and I may not even bother about it.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
>>
>> > For a topic of discussion.
>> > For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower
>> creations> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of
>> the nonmetal
>> > component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
>> > --
>> > Lora
>> >
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:39:50 -0500
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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Lora,
I am the former owner of what is now PawPower Creations. I can tell you
some of the reasons that customers told me that they made the switch.
*custom fitted to their dog's exact measurements
*easy to wash
*lightweight
*the Sport style allows for better shoulder movement
*wider backstrap distributes pressure more evenly
*removable handle
*cool colors
*available with padding
*different styles to fit different needs
I have a standard style PawPower harness made in all 2 inch webbing. I
don't think it's a regular product. I wanted the wider webbing because I
have a large dog with a thin coat. I just described what I wanted and Bob
was really great about figuring out the details to make it work.
I don't get paid to advertise for them, I just really like the products!
HTH
Julie
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:17:02 -0400
From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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Hi Tammy,
Really, I keep vassilating on whether to go in for the mod or not. I really
do enjoy the flexibility of no ears in the respect that you can, as you say,
stop on a dime, or make *really* tight turns that simply wouldn't be
possible without the freedom of movement of the handle. And, once I
recognized the possibility of overwalking, I definitely kept that in mind
more.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
> Buddy,
>
> Since I started with the sport harness nad did my training and then my own
> learning with it, it seemed to take forever to get beyond overwalking my
> dog... And that was after someone was good enough to point out what I was
> doing. D'oh!
>
> Still, now that I'm tuned in and have better habits, I can use the
> communication from the handle to stop on a dime.
>
> And seconds on the removable handle. Love it!
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>
> A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can be
> summed up in two words: removable handle.
>
> With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end by
> about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get stuck
> under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the corners of the
> grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams. I fully expect
that,
> in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power harness, though of course not
> right away. I'm giving some thought to having mine retrofitted with the
> American style "ears"; mine is the sports harness, which I like a lot. The
> only thing is since the handle moves completely freely, it is possible to
> overwalk your dog if you're not careful to avoid doing so. This was
> something I had not thought about when ordering, and in reality, it's only
a
> very small thing and I may not even bother about it.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
>
>> For a topic of discussion.
>> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
>> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
>> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
>> --
>> Lora
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:40:11 -0400
From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
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When you over walk the dog means you are walking faster than the dog
is, and guiding the dog. Oops.
I am sure you will get this answered many times.
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:43:24 -0400
From: "Susan Jones" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
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Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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The ears really do not inhibit movement that much. The harness is still
really flexible, easy to make sharp turns, etc. The ears just give it a
little more stability, that's all.
Susan & Rhoda
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Buddy Brannan
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:17 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
Hi Tammy,
Really, I keep vassilating on whether to go in for the mod or not. I really
do enjoy the flexibility of no ears in the respect that you can, as you say,
stop on a dime, or make *really* tight turns that simply wouldn't be
possible without the freedom of movement of the handle. And, once I
recognized the possibility of overwalking, I definitely kept that in mind
more.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
> Buddy,
>
> Since I started with the sport harness nad did my training and then my
> own learning with it, it seemed to take forever to get beyond
> overwalking my dog... And that was after someone was good enough to
> point out what I was doing. D'oh!
>
> Still, now that I'm tuned in and have better habits, I can use the
> communication from the handle to stop on a dime.
>
> And seconds on the removable handle. Love it!
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>
> A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can
> be summed up in two words: removable handle.
>
> With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end
> by about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get
> stuck under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the
> corners of the grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams.
> I fully expect that, in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power
> harness, though of course not right away. I'm giving some thought to
> having mine retrofitted with the American style "ears"; mine is the
> sports harness, which I like a lot. The only thing is since the handle
> moves completely freely, it is possible to overwalk your dog if you're
> not careful to avoid doing so. This was something I had not thought
> about when ordering, and in reality, it's only a very small thing and I
may not even bother about it.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
>
>> For a topic of discussion.
>> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
>> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
>> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
>> --
>> Lora
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:21:10 -0600
From: Lora <blindhistory at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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What are you referring to when you say ears? Are these the stabalizers?
On 8/18/10, Susan Jones <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> The ears really do not inhibit movement that much. The harness is still
> really flexible, easy to make sharp turns, etc. The ears just give it a
> little more stability, that's all.
>
> Susan & Rhoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:17 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>
> Hi Tammy,
>
> Really, I keep vassilating on whether to go in for the mod or not. I
really
> do enjoy the flexibility of no ears in the respect that you can, as you
say,
> stop on a dime, or make *really* tight turns that simply wouldn't be
> possible without the freedom of movement of the handle. And, once I
> recognized the possibility of overwalking, I definitely kept that in mind
> more.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
>
>> Buddy,
>>
>> Since I started with the sport harness nad did my training and then my
>> own learning with it, it seemed to take forever to get beyond
>> overwalking my dog... And that was after someone was good enough to
>> point out what I was doing. D'oh!
>>
>> Still, now that I'm tuned in and have better habits, I can use the
>> communication from the handle to stop on a dime.
>>
>> And seconds on the removable handle. Love it!
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:48 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>>
>> A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can
>> be summed up in two words: removable handle.
>>
>> With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end
>> by about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get
>> stuck under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the
>> corners of the grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams.
>> I fully expect that, in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power
>> harness, though of course not right away. I'm giving some thought to
>> having mine retrofitted with the American style "ears"; mine is the
>> sports harness, which I like a lot. The only thing is since the handle
>> moves completely freely, it is possible to overwalk your dog if you're
>> not careful to avoid doing so. This was something I had not thought
>> about when ordering, and in reality, it's only a very small thing and I
> may not even bother about it.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
>>
>>> For a topic of discussion.
>>> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
>>> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
>>> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
>>> --
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:24:17 -0500
From: "Pawpower Creations" <pawpower at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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Hi folks. Thanks to everyone who have contributed to this thread. It has
been very informative. I just thought I'd chime in and let people know that
we also offer the Laveau style harness as an alternative for those people
who like the design of the sport style, but are not comfortable with not
having the stabilizer loops. The Laveau style is named after Rox'E's dog,
as it was designed for her. It is basically the same as the Sport style,
accept that it has loops which prevent the handle from going over the dogs
head. so, you can not overwalk the dog. Also, the handle connectors are
farther forward on the shoulder straps, which seems to allow for more
communication of the dogs movements through the handle. It is actually
rapidly becoming my most popular harness.
I am always open for design ideas. All my harnesses are custom designed,
and I am willing to work with you to design a harness which meets the needs
of both members of the team.
I am working on getting a discription of the Laveau style harness up on my
site, but the other two harnesses which have pretty good descriptions, and I
also have a gallery of many of my customer's dogs wearing all three types
of harnesses on my site. You can check it out at
www.pawpowercreations.com/harnesses.html
Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your Canine in mind
Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
504-312-2609
pawpower at cox.net
www.pawpowercreations.com
Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving harnesses.
With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
The only creature faithful to the end.
George Crabbe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Jones" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
> The ears really do not inhibit movement that much. The harness is still
> really flexible, easy to make sharp turns, etc. The ears just give it a
> little more stability, that's all.
>
> Susan & Rhoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:17 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>
> Hi Tammy,
>
> Really, I keep vassilating on whether to go in for the mod or not. I
> really
> do enjoy the flexibility of no ears in the respect that you can, as you
> say,
> stop on a dime, or make *really* tight turns that simply wouldn't be
> possible without the freedom of movement of the handle. And, once I
> recognized the possibility of overwalking, I definitely kept that in mind
> more.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
>
>> Buddy,
>>
>> Since I started with the sport harness nad did my training and then my
>> own learning with it, it seemed to take forever to get beyond
>> overwalking my dog... And that was after someone was good enough to
>> point out what I was doing. D'oh!
>>
>> Still, now that I'm tuned in and have better habits, I can use the
>> communication from the handle to stop on a dime.
>>
>> And seconds on the removable handle. Love it!
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:48 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>>
>> A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can
>> be summed up in two words: removable handle.
>>
>> With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end
>> by about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get
>> stuck under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the
>> corners of the grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams.
>> I fully expect that, in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power
>> harness, though of course not right away. I'm giving some thought to
>> having mine retrofitted with the American style "ears"; mine is the
>> sports harness, which I like a lot. The only thing is since the handle
>> moves completely freely, it is possible to overwalk your dog if you're
>> not careful to avoid doing so. This was something I had not thought
>> about when ordering, and in reality, it's only a very small thing and I
> may not even bother about it.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
>>
>>> For a topic of discussion.
>>> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
>>> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
>>> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
>>> --
>>> Lora
>>>
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:57:58 -0400
From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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I wonder if Pawpower Creations makes an offset handle harness. I need to
use an offset handle with Arrow.
I need to look again at the website.
Margo andArrow
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Buddy Brannan
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:48 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can be
summed up in two words: removable handle.
With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end by
about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get stuck
under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the corners of the
grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams. I fully expect that,
in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power harness, though of course not
right away. I'm giving some thought to having mine retrofitted with the
American style "ears"; mine is the sports harness, which I like a lot. The
only thing is since the handle moves completely freely, it is possible to
overwalk your dog if you're not careful to avoid doing so. This was
something I had not thought about when ordering, and in reality, it's only a
very small thing and I may not even bother about it.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
> For a topic of discussion.
> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
> --
> Lora
>
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:59:22 -0700
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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Good to know! I want to get a harness and matching kit in lavendar for
dress up occasions -- better with my wardrobe don't you know and have been
tending towards the Laveau style. Having never used a harness with
stabilizers, I haven't been sure how to evaluate how the ears might affect
our teamwork... I am thinking they will help for certain situations when it
comes to keeping the handle in position for those times when I'm not holding
it but don't want to take it off...
Then I can keep using our fire engine red sport harness with the reflectors
for our hiking and long walks, where I love knowing the harness is super,
super visible. /smile/
Tami Smith-Kinney
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Susan Jones
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:43 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
The ears really do not inhibit movement that much. The harness is still
really flexible, easy to make sharp turns, etc. The ears just give it a
little more stability, that's all.
Susan & Rhoda
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Buddy Brannan
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:17 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
Hi Tammy,
Really, I keep vassilating on whether to go in for the mod or not. I really
do enjoy the flexibility of no ears in the respect that you can, as you say,
stop on a dime, or make *really* tight turns that simply wouldn't be
possible without the freedom of movement of the handle. And, once I
recognized the possibility of overwalking, I definitely kept that in mind
more.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
> Buddy,
>
> Since I started with the sport harness nad did my training and then my
> own learning with it, it seemed to take forever to get beyond
> overwalking my dog... And that was after someone was good enough to
> point out what I was doing. D'oh!
>
> Still, now that I'm tuned in and have better habits, I can use the
> communication from the handle to stop on a dime.
>
> And seconds on the removable handle. Love it!
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>
> A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can
> be summed up in two words: removable handle.
>
> With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end
> by about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get
> stuck under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the
> corners of the grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams.
> I fully expect that, in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power
> harness, though of course not right away. I'm giving some thought to
> having mine retrofitted with the American style "ears"; mine is the
> sports harness, which I like a lot. The only thing is since the handle
> moves completely freely, it is possible to overwalk your dog if you're
> not careful to avoid doing so. This was something I had not thought
> about when ordering, and in reality, it's only a very small thing and I
may not even bother about it.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
>
>> For a topic of discussion.
>> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
>> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
>> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
>> --
>> Lora
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:02:06 -0500
From: "Pawpower Creations" <pawpower at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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Hi Margo, yes we sure do make off-set handles.
Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your Canine in mind
Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
504-312-2609
pawpower at cox.net
www.pawpowercreations.com
Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving harnesses.
With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
The only creature faithful to the end.
George Crabbe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>I wonder if Pawpower Creations makes an offset handle harness. I need to
> use an offset handle with Arrow.
>
> I need to look again at the website.
>
> Margo andArrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>
> A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can be
> summed up in two words: removable handle.
>
> With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end by
> about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get stuck
> under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the corners of the
> grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams. I fully expect
> that,
> in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power harness, though of course not
> right away. I'm giving some thought to having mine retrofitted with the
> American style "ears"; mine is the sports harness, which I like a lot. The
> only thing is since the handle moves completely freely, it is possible to
> overwalk your dog if you're not careful to avoid doing so. This was
> something I had not thought about when ordering, and in reality, it's only
> a
> very small thing and I may not even bother about it.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
>
>> For a topic of discussion.
>> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
>> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
>> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
>> --
>> Lora
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:11:03 -0600
From: Lora <blindhistory at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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Ok I'm confused. So what are stabalizers? Are they what come standard
with harnesses like TSE has? W;hich type of harness gives the most
freedom of movement for the dog and the most readability of the dog?
Sorry to bother with so many questions.
On 8/18/10, Tamara Smith-Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net> wrote:
> Good to know! I want to get a harness and matching kit in lavendar for
> dress up occasions -- better with my wardrobe don't you know and have been
> tending towards the Laveau style. Having never used a harness with
> stabilizers, I haven't been sure how to evaluate how the ears might affect
> our teamwork... I am thinking they will help for certain situations when
it
> comes to keeping the handle in position for those times when I'm not
holding
> it but don't want to take it off...
>
> Then I can keep using our fire engine red sport harness with the
reflectors
> for our hiking and long walks, where I love knowing the harness is super,
> super visible. /smile/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Susan Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>
> The ears really do not inhibit movement that much. The harness is still
> really flexible, easy to make sharp turns, etc. The ears just give it a
> little more stability, that's all.
>
> Susan & Rhoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:17 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>
> Hi Tammy,
>
> Really, I keep vassilating on whether to go in for the mod or not. I
really
> do enjoy the flexibility of no ears in the respect that you can, as you
say,
> stop on a dime, or make *really* tight turns that simply wouldn't be
> possible without the freedom of movement of the handle. And, once I
> recognized the possibility of overwalking, I definitely kept that in mind
> more.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
>
>> Buddy,
>>
>> Since I started with the sport harness nad did my training and then my
>> own learning with it, it seemed to take forever to get beyond
>> overwalking my dog... And that was after someone was good enough to
>> point out what I was doing. D'oh!
>>
>> Still, now that I'm tuned in and have better habits, I can use the
>> communication from the handle to stop on a dime.
>>
>> And seconds on the removable handle. Love it!
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:48 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>>
>> A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can
>> be summed up in two words: removable handle.
>>
>> With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end
>> by about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get
>> stuck under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the
>> corners of the grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams.
>> I fully expect that, in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power
>> harness, though of course not right away. I'm giving some thought to
>> having mine retrofitted with the American style "ears"; mine is the
>> sports harness, which I like a lot. The only thing is since the handle
>> moves completely freely, it is possible to overwalk your dog if you're
>> not careful to avoid doing so. This was something I had not thought
>> about when ordering, and in reality, it's only a very small thing and I
> may not even bother about it.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
>>
>>> For a topic of discussion.
>>> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
>>> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
>>> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
>>> --
>>> Lora
>>>
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------------------------------
Message: 22
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:48:33 -0500
From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
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The stabalizers are the loops that the harness handle is fed through.
They prevent you from being able to lift the handle up too high.
Meghan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lora" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
> Ok I'm confused. So what are stabalizers? Are they what come standard
> with harnesses like TSE has? W;hich type of harness gives the most
> freedom of movement for the dog and the most readability of the dog?
> Sorry to bother with so many questions.
>
> On 8/18/10, Tamara Smith-Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Good to know! I want to get a harness and matching kit in lavendar for
>> dress up occasions -- better with my wardrobe don't you know and have
>> been
>> tending towards the Laveau style. Having never used a harness with
>> stabilizers, I haven't been sure how to evaluate how the ears might
>> affect
>> our teamwork... I am thinking they will help for certain situations when
>> it
>> comes to keeping the handle in position for those times when I'm not
>> holding
>> it but don't want to take it off...
>>
>> Then I can keep using our fire engine red sport harness with the
>> reflectors
>> for our hiking and long walks, where I love knowing the harness is super,
>> super visible. /smile/
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Susan Jones
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:43 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>>
>> The ears really do not inhibit movement that much. The harness is still
>> really flexible, easy to make sharp turns, etc. The ears just give it a
>> little more stability, that's all.
>>
>> Susan & Rhoda
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:17 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>>
>> Hi Tammy,
>>
>> Really, I keep vassilating on whether to go in for the mod or not. I
>> really
>> do enjoy the flexibility of no ears in the respect that you can, as you
>> say,
>> stop on a dime, or make *really* tight turns that simply wouldn't be
>> possible without the freedom of movement of the handle. And, once I
>> recognized the possibility of overwalking, I definitely kept that in mind
>> more.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
>>
>>> Buddy,
>>>
>>> Since I started with the sport harness nad did my training and then my
>>> own learning with it, it seemed to take forever to get beyond
>>> overwalking my dog... And that was after someone was good enough to
>>> point out what I was doing. D'oh!
>>>
>>> Still, now that I'm tuned in and have better habits, I can use the
>>> communication from the handle to stop on a dime.
>>>
>>> And seconds on the removable handle. Love it!
>>>
>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:48 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] program harnesses vs pawpower creations harnesses
>>>
>>> A lot of the reason I got what is now a PawPower Creations harness can
>>> be summed up in two words: removable handle.
>>>
>>> With Chet, I used a long handle, and the handle hung off his back end
>>> by about a half inch or a bit more. Consequently, the handle would get
>>> stuck under dashboards and all manner of things. Eventually, the
>>> corners of the grip got eally ugly and ragged and split at the seams.
>>> I fully expect that, in time, new dog will inherit the Paw Power
>>> harness, though of course not right away. I'm giving some thought to
>>> having mine retrofitted with the American style "ears"; mine is the
>>> sports harness, which I like a lot. The only thing is since the handle
>>> moves completely freely, it is possible to overwalk your dog if you're
>>> not careful to avoid doing so. This was something I had not thought
>>> about when ordering, and in reality, it's only a very small thing and I
>> may not even bother about it.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lora wrote:
>>>
>>>> For a topic of discussion.
>>>> For those who switched from a program harness to a pawpower creations
>>>> harness why did you switch? Did you switch because of the nonmetal
>>>> component? Just curious Not try8ing to judge any type of harness.
>>>> --
>>>> Lora
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
> Lora
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:15:28 -0400
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nagdu] Another Reason for Having Your Own Harness
Message-ID: <016301cb3f5d$89c77610$0201a8c0 at marion475ae1fe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
dear All,
Another very important reason for having your own harness is that the
school retains ownership of the gear. Now, most schools will not arbitrarily
reclaim their harnesses, but I have heard of a few people from one
particular school that did do such a thing and without just cause. Since
each of these people owned their dogs, the school could not take possession
of the dogs, but did repossess the harnesses. In one instance, the school
actually went so far as to go to the local police department and assert that
the dogs were no longer "certified guide dogs" and, as such, had no rights
of access. Fortunately, the police knew better and advised the trainer of
that, letting him know they would protect the blind person's legal rights,
if needed. This particular school has since changed its ownership policy and
now has demonstrated that they are willing to repossess dogs without cause
and without due process!
BTW, in one specific case, the school could not repossess the dog
because, at that time, the individual had ownership and the local animal
control, while making an unannounced visit, found no evidence of abuse or
neglect. In fact, the official report said there was plenty of food in the
house, fresh water on the floor, and the dog's nails were painted! When I
spoke with the investigator, he said, "The dog was certainly neither abused
nor neglected; however, the trainer was certainly abusive to the
individual!"
Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users
National Federation of the Blind
813-626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG
HTTP://NAGDU.ORG
------------------------------
Message: 24
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:02:23 -0400
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: blindtlk at nfbnet.org, "David R. Stayer"
<davidandloristayer at verizon.net>
Subject: [nagdu] Fan's every visit to Yankee Stadium a result of
teamwork
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This lady was recently honored at Yankee stadium on Tuesday August 17, 2010
for Hope Week.
This story is from last year's game. She also travels with her guide dog.
NEW YORK - The doors to the D Train open at 161st and River Ave and they
step onto the platform, one unlikely Yankees fan guiding another through the
dense game-day crowd.
Laramie leads the way. Jane Lang follows at his side. They walk up a
stairwell to the street and past the vendors lined up alongside the famous
ballpark. They circle around to Gate 4, where Laramie stops in front of his
favorite tree. He has earned a quick bathroom break.
"Isn't this place something?" Lang asks when they finally make their way to
her seats behind home plate. This is a spot that gives her an ideal view of
the old ballpark, from the famous facade that looms in the outfield to the
infield grass that is always a perfect shade of green.
Except she has never seen Yankee Stadium - at least not in the way most fans
have. Jane Lang is blind. Laramie, a golden retriever, is her guide dog. For
the past eight years, they have made the trip from their home Morris Plains
to the Bronx too many times to count.
And one week from today, along with 55,000 other fortunate fans, they will
make it for the final time.
"I am very sad about it. I love it here," Lang said. She is wearing a
light-blue Derek Jeter T-shirt and dangly Yankees earrings, and Laramie has
curled up on a Yankees beach towel spread at her feet. "The minute I step
into Yankee Stadium, I feel safe.
"I feel home."
Yankee Stadium means something different to every fan that has walked
through its gates since 1923. The first time Lang made this trip, she
gripped the metal bar in front of her seat, heard those familiar sounds of
batting practice and beer vendors, and couldn't stop her tears.
"What are you crying for?" the usher asked her. "We haven't even lost the
game yet!"
"I'm crying," Jane Lang said, "because I got here on my own."
That first journey was not without an unintentional detour. She had filled
her pockets with eight pieces of candy, one for each stop the D Train would
make, and popped one into her mouth every time the doors opened.
But she must have dropped one piece along the way, because she got off one
stop too soon. It didn't take long to figure out that something was wrong,
though. Laramie wouldn't budge until she got back on the train.
He leads her around puddles in the street and past careless teenagers
talking on their cell phones as the walk. He makes sure she stops on every
corner and waits for the light to turn green.
He walks like a typical New Yorker, never hesitant to bump his way through a
slow-moving crowd. Lang follows at his right side, whispering "good boy"
when he stops at the subway stairs or near the edge of a ramp.
It is a two-hour trip that could test the nerves of a person with 20/20
vision. Lang, 65, makes it about 25 times a year, sometimes with her husband
Pete to help, but often just with Laramie.
"You can't be afraid," Lang said, "because if you're afraid, you can't do
anything."
She has experienced Yankee Stadium in a way unlike any of the millions of
people who have come here. She has listens to the radio broadcast of the
game in one ear and the reaction from the crowd in the other. If the other
fans get angry about a call, she joins them.
"Hey ump!" she'll yell from her seat. "Are you watching the same game I'm
watching?"
Pete planned a special surprise for their 41st wedding anniversary, leading
her onto the field before a game and into the Yankees dugout where Jorge
Posada was waiting for her.
She reached up and felt his face.
"He has such a great smile, he really does," she said. "And he hit a home
run that day!"
She was sitting next to Harlan Chamberlain the night his famous son, Joba,
made his much-anticipated first start for the Yankees. Harlan, who uses a
wheelchair, held her hand so tight she thought it would break, and when she
touched his cheek, she felt the tears.
The Yankees have become her family. Maybe the fans around her are furious
with the team for its struggles on the field this season, but Lang is
grateful that they put a fresh patch of sod outside for Laramie if he needs
to make a bathroom break. She kisses the concessionaire and sends Christmas
cards to the ushers.
She wishes she could meet owner George Steinbrenner some day, because she
knows exactly what she would tell. "You know what I would do?" she said. "I
would touch his face and give him a big hug and say, 'Thanks for giving me
so much joy over the years.'"
Lang hopes she can still visit the new Yankee Stadium next year, but
Laramie, now 10, won't come back after the final trip to the old ballpark on
Sunday. The team even put his picture on the scoreboard screen last month,
congratulating him on his upcoming retirement.
That day after the game, as the two walked down the steps to the D Train,
fans spotted the golden retriever.
"Make way for Laramie!" they yelled, and the crowded parted to let them
through.
He will lead her down those steps one last time next week, and Lang knows
she'll be crying when he does. But they'll leave this place with a lifetime
of memories from a ballpark she has seen in way nobody else has.
The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
Cheryl Echevarria
Independent Travel Consultant
C10-10646
http://Echevarriatravel.com
1-866-580-5574
skype: angeldn3
Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel Inc.
------------------------------
Message: 25
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:11:36 -0500
From: "Steve Johnson" <stevencjohnson at centurytel.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fan's every visit to Yankee Stadium a result of
teamwork
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Cheryl, now that's a wonderful story! Thanks for sharing!
------------------------------
Message: 26
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:19:35 -0400
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fan's every visit to Yankee Stadium a result of
teamwork
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
You are welcome.
The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
Cheryl Echevarria
Independent Travel Consultant
C10-10646
http://Echevarriatravel.com
1-866-580-5574
skype: angeldn3
Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel Inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Johnson" <stevencjohnson at centurytel.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fan's every visit to Yankee Stadium a result of
teamwork
> Cheryl, now that's a wonderful story! Thanks for sharing!
>
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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:15:30 -0700
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fan's every visit to Yankee Stadium a result of
teamwork
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
That's a great story. I almost had to find a tissue... /smile/
I commend the writer, too, for the way she presented her story and her
subjects without dipping into condescension. Yay!
Tami Smith-Kinney
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of cheryl echevarria
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:02 AM
To: nagdu
Cc: blindtlk at nfbnet.org; David R. Stayer
Subject: [nagdu] Fan's every visit to Yankee Stadium a result of teamwork
This lady was recently honored at Yankee stadium on Tuesday August 17, 2010
for Hope Week.
This story is from last year's game. She also travels with her guide dog.
NEW YORK - The doors to the D Train open at 161st and River Ave and they
step onto the platform, one unlikely Yankees fan guiding another through the
dense game-day crowd.
Laramie leads the way. Jane Lang follows at his side. They walk up a
stairwell to the street and past the vendors lined up alongside the famous
ballpark. They circle around to Gate 4, where Laramie stops in front of his
favorite tree. He has earned a quick bathroom break.
"Isn't this place something?" Lang asks when they finally make their way to
her seats behind home plate. This is a spot that gives her an ideal view of
the old ballpark, from the famous facade that looms in the outfield to the
infield grass that is always a perfect shade of green.
Except she has never seen Yankee Stadium - at least not in the way most fans
have. Jane Lang is blind. Laramie, a golden retriever, is her guide dog. For
the past eight years, they have made the trip from their home Morris Plains
to the Bronx too many times to count.
And one week from today, along with 55,000 other fortunate fans, they will
make it for the final time.
"I am very sad about it. I love it here," Lang said. She is wearing a
light-blue Derek Jeter T-shirt and dangly Yankees earrings, and Laramie has
curled up on a Yankees beach towel spread at her feet. "The minute I step
into Yankee Stadium, I feel safe.
"I feel home."
Yankee Stadium means something different to every fan that has walked
through its gates since 1923. The first time Lang made this trip, she
gripped the metal bar in front of her seat, heard those familiar sounds of
batting practice and beer vendors, and couldn't stop her tears.
"What are you crying for?" the usher asked her. "We haven't even lost the
game yet!"
"I'm crying," Jane Lang said, "because I got here on my own."
That first journey was not without an unintentional detour. She had filled
her pockets with eight pieces of candy, one for each stop the D Train would
make, and popped one into her mouth every time the doors opened.
But she must have dropped one piece along the way, because she got off one
stop too soon. It didn't take long to figure out that something was wrong,
though. Laramie wouldn't budge until she got back on the train.
He leads her around puddles in the street and past careless teenagers
talking on their cell phones as the walk. He makes sure she stops on every
corner and waits for the light to turn green.
He walks like a typical New Yorker, never hesitant to bump his way through a
slow-moving crowd. Lang follows at his right side, whispering "good boy"
when he stops at the subway stairs or near the edge of a ramp.
It is a two-hour trip that could test the nerves of a person with 20/20
vision. Lang, 65, makes it about 25 times a year, sometimes with her husband
Pete to help, but often just with Laramie.
"You can't be afraid," Lang said, "because if you're afraid, you can't do
anything."
She has experienced Yankee Stadium in a way unlike any of the millions of
people who have come here. She has listens to the radio broadcast of the
game in one ear and the reaction from the crowd in the other. If the other
fans get angry about a call, she joins them.
"Hey ump!" she'll yell from her seat. "Are you watching the same game I'm
watching?"
Pete planned a special surprise for their 41st wedding anniversary, leading
her onto the field before a game and into the Yankees dugout where Jorge
Posada was waiting for her.
She reached up and felt his face.
"He has such a great smile, he really does," she said. "And he hit a home
run that day!"
She was sitting next to Harlan Chamberlain the night his famous son, Joba,
made his much-anticipated first start for the Yankees. Harlan, who uses a
wheelchair, held her hand so tight she thought it would break, and when she
touched his cheek, she felt the tears.
The Yankees have become her family. Maybe the fans around her are furious
with the team for its struggles on the field this season, but Lang is
grateful that they put a fresh patch of sod outside for Laramie if he needs
to make a bathroom break. She kisses the concessionaire and sends Christmas
cards to the ushers.
She wishes she could meet owner George Steinbrenner some day, because she
knows exactly what she would tell. "You know what I would do?" she said. "I
would touch his face and give him a big hug and say, 'Thanks for giving me
so much joy over the years.'"
Lang hopes she can still visit the new Yankee Stadium next year, but
Laramie, now 10, won't come back after the final trip to the old ballpark on
Sunday. The team even put his picture on the scoreboard screen last month,
congratulating him on his upcoming retirement.
That day after the game, as the two walked down the steps to the D Train,
fans spotted the golden retriever.
"Make way for Laramie!" they yelled, and the crowded parted to let them
through.
He will lead her down those steps one last time next week, and Lang knows
she'll be crying when he does. But they'll leave this place with a lifetime
of memories from a ballpark she has seen in way nobody else has.
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:19:51 -0600
From: "Dan Sweeney" <daniel.sweeney1 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nagdu] to Jess re: slowing your pooch down
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Hi Jess,
I almost feel like a experienced "driver" with a fast dog. My boy, Scout"
has had the same problems since I got him 2 years ago. I finally learned how
to slow him down, although it almost drove me crazy doing it.
Every time he/she starts to bolt or move faster than you want, drop the
handle, and make him/her sit, and stay until you and the dog both have are
relaxed, then continue using the "steady" command. If the dog continues,
stop and do the same thing, even if it is only one or two feet later. The
thing is to be consistent with this training method, and do not stop until
you get the desired results.
It has taken me a very long time to get the results I wanted, but it finally
happened after I did these steps. I would suggest doing this training when
you are not in a hurry to get somewhere, or under time considerations, as it
can take a while. If you get frustrated, take a break and try again later.
That is what 2 different trainers demonstrated to me, and it has finally
worked.
Hope this helps a little,
Daniel and Scout
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