[nagdu] Hawaii

cheryl echevarria cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Thu Dec 9 13:48:42 UTC 2010


I am still waiting for the apology about the jews.

That wasn't called for

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julie J<mailto:julielj at windstream.net> 
  To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
  Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 8:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii


  Cheryl,

  All those cards are for specific programs, services or privileges.  No one 
  has a card that grants them permission to go in public.

  Julie

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>
  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
  <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
  Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii


  > we have insurance cards as well, and driver's licenses and non-driver's 
  > licences. and Library cards as well.
  >
  > The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
  >
  > Cheryl Echevarria
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  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Julie J<mailto:julielj at windstream.net<mailto:julielj at windstream.net>>
  >  To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
  > Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
  >  Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:57 AM
  >  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
  >
  >
  >  I take offense at the idea of having to divulge my medical records to 
  > some
  >  government agency and then having to carry and show a card that announces 
  > my
  >  disability.
  >
  >  Julie
  >
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: "cheryl echevarria" 
  > <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>>
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  >  <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>
  >  Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 6:53 AM
  >  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
  >
  >
  >  >I am Jewish a definitely not the same thing Julie.
  >  >
  >  > I take offense to that.
  >  >
  >  > The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
  >  >
  >  > Cheryl Echevarria
  >  > 
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  >  > 
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  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  From: Julie 
  > J<mailto:julielj at windstream.net<mailto:julielj at windstream.net<mailto:julielj at windstream.net%3Cmailto:julielj at windstream.net>>>
  >  >  To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
  >  > Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>
  >  >  Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:47 AM
  >  >  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  Uh...no, not really.  blind people are just as capable of taking a pet
  >  > into
  >  >  public as anyone else.
  >  >
  >  >  Having to prove my blindness and carry a card kind of reminds me of 
  > the
  >  >  stars the Jews had to wear under Hitler.
  >  >
  >  >  The ADA clearly states that it is the training of the dog in skills 
  > that
  >  >  mitigate the handlers disability that make it a service dog.
  >  >
  >  >  Julie
  >  >
  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  From: "Jordan Gallacher"
  >  > 
  > <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com<mailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com<mailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com%3Cmailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com<mailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com%3Cmailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com%3Cmailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com%3Cmailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>>>>
  >  >  To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
  >  > 
  > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>
  >  >  Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 12:37 AM
  >  >  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  > I've changed from what I was thinking origionally.  The thing that
  >  > could
  >  >  > work, since those of us who either don't want to or don't have time 
  > to
  >  >  > train
  >  >  > our own dog, go to a school and have to present proof of disability,
  >  >  > well,
  >  >  > if those who owner train had to present proof of disability and get 
  > a
  >  >  > harness made that indicates that the animal is a service animal 
  > along
  >  > with
  >  >  > getting an I.D. card with proof of disability, that may work.  Then 
  > it
  >  >  > would
  >  >  > be quite a bit harder for someone to take a pet into a business
  >  > especially
  >  >  > if the law was changed to reflect the above.  Basically, it would
  >  > require
  >  >  > that somewhere on the harness it indicated clearly that the dog is a
  >  >  > service
  >  >  > dog and not a pet.
  >  >  > Jordan
  >  >  >
  >  >  > -----Original Message-----
  >  >  > From: 
  > nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>>
  >  > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
  >  >  > Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
  >  >  > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 12:21 AM
  >  >  > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
  >  >  > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Julie,
  >  >  >
  >  >  > My thing is that I think it would be just dandy to crack down on the
  >  >  > frauds
  >  >  > when they're caught and fine them to within an inch of their lives 
  > or
  >  >  > throw
  >  >  > them in jail, stuff like that.  Can't remember right now what 
  > penalties
  >  >  > are
  >  >  > in the law, but I'm thinking there are some.
  >  >  >
  >  >  > That way, they're cracking down on the people who are breaking the 
  > law
  >  >  > instead of cracking down on those who are.
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Kinda over simplistic, I know, but I get irritable over new rules to
  >  > make
  >  >  > up
  >  >  > for the fact the existing rules aren't enforced, so people break
  >  > them...
  >  >  > it
  >  >  > just seems silly and annoying.
  >  >  >
  >  >  > I feel a lot that way about access issues, too.  If the law is there
  >  > but
  >  >  > it
  >  >  > takes a zillion years in court to have it enforced, then I guess 
  > that
  >  >  > tells
  >  >  > me why I just need to plan to have to deal with stupid access issues
  >  > from
  >  >  > someone who knows the law and just doesn't want to follow it.  Sigh.
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Maybe my thinking is out of whack, but I seem to notice in articles
  >  > about
  >  >  > issues in other countries, the fines are steep and are levied right
  >  > quick
  >  >  > by
  >  >  > the relevant authorities.  This doesn't seem to be the case so much
  >  >  > here...
  >  >  > I've never had to call in the authorities over an access issue 
  > (yet),
  >  > but
  >  >  > when I get a whiff that one might be coming up, I really wonder if
  >  > calling
  >  >  > them in will do anything to improve my situation.  Depends on the 
  > cop,
  >  > I
  >  >  > guess.  I'm not that eager to find out how our local police do when
  >  >  > there's
  >  >  > a line-in-the-sand confrontation.  I just wish I could rest assured
  >  > about
  >  >  > the matter, just in case.  /smile/
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Tami Smith-Kinney
  >  >  >
  >  >  > -----Original Message-----
  >  >  > From: 
  > nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>>
  >  > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
  >  >  > Of Julie J
  >  >  > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:04 AM
  >  >  > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
  >  >  > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Jordan,
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Okay, how is this going to work exactly?
  >  >  >
  >  >  > I owner train my guides. Not self train.  the dog doesn't train 
  > itself.
  >  >  > I'm
  >  >  >
  >  >  > interested to know how certification could work.
  >  >  >
  >  >  > How I work my dogs is probably different from the way the dogs from 
  > a
  >  >  > program work.  What about someone who has some useable vision and 
  > uses
  >  >  > their
  >  >  >
  >  >  > dog as a low vision aid?  Who is going to certify me and/or my dog?
  >  > How
  >  >  > is
  >  >  > that going to not violate my civil rights?  Who is going to pay for
  >  > this
  >  >  > certification?  How does this certification prove that in two months 
  > or
  >  >  > under different circumstances my dog is going to behave?  What 
  > criteria
  >  >  > are
  >  >  > going to be used in this certification?  Where is this harness going 
  > to
  >  >  > come
  >  >  >
  >  >  > from?  Who is going to pay for it?  What if it doesn't fit my needs?
  >  >  >
  >  >  > I'm all for wedding out the fraudulent service dog handlers and/or 
  > ill
  >  >  > behaved service dogs, but I cannot figure out how this could work 
  > while
  >  >  > respecting everyone's civil rights.
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Julie
  >  >  >
  >  >  >
  >  >  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  > From: "Jordan Gallacher"
  >  > 
  > <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com<mailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com<mailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com%3Cmailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com<mailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com%3Cmailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com%3Cmailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com%3Cmailto:jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>>>>
  >  >  > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
  > Users'"
  >  >  > 
  > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>
  >  >  > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:49 AM
  >  >  > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
  >  >  >
  >  >  >
  >  >  >> This is where the ADA needs to be changed.  All someone can ask is 
  > is
  >  >  >> that
  >  >  >
  >  >  >> a
  >  >  >> service animal.  Well, there really should be a requirement that 
  > even
  >  >  >> self
  >  >  >> trained service animals are licensed with an official i.d. card, 
  > such
  >  > as
  >  >  >> something that states that it is a service animal. And two, if it 
  > is a
  >  >  >> self
  >  >  >> trained animal, you should need to have the dog pass an 
  > examination,
  >  >  >> working
  >  >  >> wise, and then issued a harness that says something like certified
  >  >  >> service
  >  >  >> animal.  And also, the ADA should be changed to allow someone to 
  > ask
  >  > for
  >  >  >> documentation.
  >  >  >> Jordan
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> -----Original Message-----
  >  >  >> From: 
  > nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>>
  >  > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
  >  >  >> Behalf
  >  >  >> Of Jenine Stanley
  >  >  >> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:08 AM
  >  >  >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
  > Users'
  >  >  >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> Thanks much Julie.
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> I think we would all like to simply travel to anywhere in the world
  >  >  >> without
  >  >  >> restrictions but reality doesn't always permit that.
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> The reason there are in fact such requirements as submission of 
  > titer
  >  >  >> tests
  >  >  >> and a health certificate is that the vaccine has not been 100% 
  > proven
  >  > to
  >  >  >> prevent Rabies. In the opinion of the Hawaiian government, this is 
  > not
  >  >  >> sufficient to insure the safety of the state. Although federal law
  >  >  >> regarding
  >  >  >> access rights and other civil rights does trump state law in most
  >  > cases,
  >  >  >> when it comes to public health, things get messy.
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> The other issue rearing its ugly head is fraud. We all know Julie 
  > and
  >  > her
  >  >  >> dog and that she is a competent owner-trainer. What about the guy 
  > who
  >  >  >> buys
  >  >  >
  >  >  >> a
  >  >  >> harness on line, and there are lots of places one can do just that, 
  > or
  >  > a
  >  >  >> service dog vest or patches, and calls his well behaved family pet 
  > his
  >  >  >> service dog, just so it can go to Hawaii with him on vacation. 
  > During
  >  >  >> that
  >  >  >> vacation, the dog is allowed to run on the beach and maybe even 
  > around
  >  >  >> the
  >  >  >> time share property freely as a pet, because after all, what do 
  > pets
  >  > do?
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> This scenario did actually play out. I got a phone call at 11:00pm 
  > one
  >  >  >> night
  >  >  >> from someone in the Hawaii Quarantine office. Someone had come 
  > through
  >  >  >> the
  >  >  >> airport with a dog claiming it was a guide dog, but the airline 
  > knew
  >  >  >> nothing
  >  >  >> about it, allowed the person on the plane, big no-no to start, and
  >  > then
  >  >  >> didn't notify the quarantine office about the person's arrival. The
  >  > dog
  >  >  >> was
  >  >  >> not a guide and was never tracked down. The airline admitted they
  >  > screwed
  >  >  >> up
  >  >  >> in not asking any questions, but did assure the quarantine office 
  > that
  >  >  >> the
  >  >  >> person wasn't blind. How they knew this is a mystery to me, but 
  > let's
  >  >  >> just
  >  >  >> say the Hawaiian government was not happy.
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> The reason I got this call was that they were trying to figure out 
  > if
  >  > the
  >  >  >> guide dog schools or GDUI kept a registry of people and could they
  >  > check
  >  >  >> names against it. I said that each school had a list of its active
  >  >  >> graduates, but they'd have to call each one to find this out. Let's
  >  > just
  >  >  >> say
  >  >  >> that time was of the essence and they were not in the mood to deal
  >  > with
  >  >  >> this. It happened shortly after the settlement went into place so I
  >  >  >> suspect
  >  >  >> someone read all the PR articles and thought, ehy, let me try this.
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> Though I'd love to have a way for people to get into Hawaii with 
  > the
  >  >  >> least
  >  >  >> amount of paperwork, some is going to be necessary. I think local
  >  >  >> licensing
  >  >  >> as an assistance dog will work in terms of proof of identity but 
  > I'll
  >  >  >> need
  >  >  >> to check that one out. Local licensing is about the only means 
  > someone
  >  >  >> who
  >  >  >> owner trains has of proof of identity anyway if he or she wants to
  >  > travel
  >  >  >> to
  >  >  >> another country that has such a quarantine or other ID 
  > requirements.
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> I suspect that as budgets tighten around the country, the less
  >  > paperwork
  >  >  >> required and the less staff time required to achieve anything will 
  > win
  >  >  >> out.
  >  >  >> So, you never know what or how the requirements will be changed.
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> Jenine Stanley
  >  >  >> 
  > jeninems at wowway.com<mailto:jeninems at wowway.com<mailto:jeninems at wowway.com%3Cmailto:jeninems at wowway.com<mailto:jeninems at wowway.com%3Cmailto:jeninems at wowway.com%3Cmailto:jeninems at wowway.com%3Cmailto:jeninems at wowway.com>>>
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> -----Original Message-----
  >  >  >> From: 
  > nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>>
  >  > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
  >  >  >> Behalf
  >  >  >> Of Julie J
  >  >  >> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:13 AM
  >  >  >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
  >  >  >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> Jordan and Dan,
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> I have pretty well stayed out of the Hawaii debate this time 
  > around.
  >  >  >> We've
  >  >  >> talked about it in the past and I've been free with my opinion.  So 
  > I
  >  >  >> guess
  >  >  >> I'll throw caution to the wind and share my thoughts. *smile*
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> I agree with the two of you.  It isn't fair that people with guide
  >  > dogs
  >  >  >> have
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> to go through so many extra steps to travel to Hawaii.  furthermore 
  > as
  >  > an
  >  >  >> owner trainer, I am unsure that it is even possible for me to 
  > travel
  >  > to
  >  >  >> Hawaii.  I am very much in favor of improving ease of travel to
  >  > Hawaii.
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> but I'm also torn because Hawaii is rabies free.  I can understand 
  > how
  >  >  >> devastating it would be to introduce rabies to the islands. 
  > However I
  >  >  >> would
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> think that proof of the vaccine or proof of immunity through a 
  > titer
  >  > test
  >  >  >> would be sufficient.  not sure how to accomplish that without some
  >  > sort
  >  >  >> of
  >  >  >> extra paperwork requirement.
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> I would also like to acknowledge the great work Of Jenine Stanly 
  > and
  >  > GDUI
  >  >  >> for working diligently to improve the situation.  I don't think 
  > it's
  >  > fair
  >  >  >> to
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> expect massive social change overnight, but Jenine made an 
  > incredible
  >  >  >> leap
  >  >  >> forward from where things were previously in Hawaii.  I totally
  >  >  >> completely
  >  >  >> agree with her when she talked about getting as much as they could 
  > in
  >  > the
  >  >  >> settlement and working on the rest later.   "It is better to do
  >  > something
  >  >  >> imperfectly than nothing perfectly." that's a quote I read 
  > yesterday,
  >  >  >> sorry
  >  >  >> I can't remember whose quote it is.
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> Julie
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  >> From: "Jordan Gallacher"
  >  > 
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  >  >  >> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 8:51 AM
  >  >  >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >>> Thanks Dan.   You seem to be one of the few on this group who see
  >  > things
  >  >  >>> the
  >  >  >>> same way I do.
  >  >  >>> Jordan
  >  >  >>>
  >  >  >>> -----Original Message-----
  >  >  >>> From: 
  > nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>>
  >  > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
  >  >  >>> Behalf
  >  >  >>> Of Dan Weiner
  >  >  >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 8:15 AM
  >  >  >>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
  > Users'
  >  >  >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
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  >  >  >>> What is of concern to me, Dan, anyway, is that we have to show any
  >  >  >>> paperwork, have international health certificates, blood tests, 
  > and
  >  > so
  >  >  >>> on,
  >  >  >>> for a state of the USA in order to be accompanied by our guide 
  > dogs.
  >  >  >>> This is something I've only had to do when I travel to other
  >  > countries.
  >  >  >>> If
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >>> I
  >  >  >>> had to do this every time I traveled to another state here, I'd be
  >  >  >>> forced
  >  >  >>> not to bring my dog with me often and I'm a safer traveler with a
  >  > dog.
  >  >  >>>
  >  >  >>> Yes, I know it may never be resolved, but that's my opinion and 
  > what
  >  > I
  >  >  >>> at
  >  >  >>> least find objectionable.
  >  >  >>>
  >  >  >>> Dan W.
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