[nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names

Mon Feb 8 01:07:21 UTC 2010

My chocolate lab, Rusty was also not too big.
Sharonda

On 2/7/10, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> However, most of the chocolates that I have met in my life are quite large.
> I do not know if this is just a coincidence or if all chocolates are this
> way.  They were almost too large to be guides.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Lyens" <jonathan at lyens.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names
>
>
>> Hi Julie,
>>
>> Thanks for this. You have pointed out an important fact. Chocolate color
>> in labs is a recessive trait. GDB does not specifically breed for this
>> color, as it has nothing to do with the dogs suitability for guide work.
>> I'd have to believe if it made a difference, they'd modify their
>> breeding program.
>>
>> Best-
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> Jonathan T. Lyens MPA
>> Email: jonathan at lyens.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Julie J
>> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 7:41 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names
>>
>> Except for the color chocolate labs are the same as the other colors.
>> Here's an article I found that explains it pretty well.
>> http://www.labbies.com/genetics.htm
>>
>> The short version is that black is the dominant gene and most labs will
>> end
>> up this color.  The next most common color is yellow and chocolate comes
>> in
>> third.   Depending on your particular breeding program and the recessive
>>
>> genes in those dogs, chocolate labs may never appear.  It is totally a
>> color
>> thing and has nothing to do with health or temperament.
>>
>> HTH
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>
>>
>>>I was told by a GDB graduate that GDB didn't use chocolate Labs because
>>
>>>they weren't as good as the black or yellow ones. But, maybe they just
>>>don't have them.
>>>
>>> If it is true about the bloodlines, they would have to have only
>> breeding
>>> stock that has either a family tree of only black or yellow genes.
>> Lots of
>>> times a black Lab with yellow genes can welp chocolates - chocolates
>> must
>>> have both black and yellow genes to make the brown color.  They have
>> to be
>>> occasionally bred to black Labs to keep the chocolate color dark and
>> rich.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>
>>>
>>>> Don't quote me on this one, but I've heard that it is not so much
>> "won't
>>>> use" chocolates as that they just are not in the blood line.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:31 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Nicole,
>>>>>>From what I've heard, GDB no longer uses German shepherds and they
>> also
>>>>> don't use chocolate Labs. I can understand the shepherds but don't
>> know
>>>>> why they won't use chocolate Labs.  Seeing Eye uses them without any
>>
>>>>> more problems than with any other colored Labs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:48 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes... it's ashame.  I was stuck on shepherds for a while, but I
>>>>>> realized that I probably was not going to get one from GDB.  They
>>>>>> usually do not give first timers shepherds.  Also, the number was
>> so
>>>>>> low that I would rather leave what there was for the people who
>> would
>>>>>> take nothing else. However, I did get to visit with one of the
>>>>>> shepherds who was going out in the next class.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:54 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marion,
>>>>>>> I wonder if GDF will encounter the same problems with German
>> shepherds
>>>>>>> as GDB?  It's a shame how this beautiful breed has been ruined by
>> the
>>>>>>> show-dog crowd!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know aboout the "pressure" of being the first one in something.
>> In
>>>>>>> my work with the Humane Society, I am the first disabled person
>> with
>>>>>>> their service dog to join the Pet-Assisted Therapy Program.
>> they've
>>>>>>> had lots of puppy-raisers and their service dog pups, but not
>> someone
>>>>>>> like me. they are very happy with my and Landon's performance of
>> the
>>>>>>> job that another program wants me to join them!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll do fine - and the new shepherd guide!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:08 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linda,
>>>>>>>>    GDF hasn't trained Shepherds in more than 20 years. Because I
>> have
>>>>>>>> so much experience with the breed, they are re-introducing them
>> with
>>>>>>>> me as their first handler. Oh, the pressure! (smile)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:54 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Marion,
>>>>>>>>> I didn't think Guide Dog Foundation used German shepherds
>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>> The name "Sarge" seems to fit a shepherd more than it would a
>> Lab.
>>>>>>>>> I have a friend at the Naval Medical Center who has a Lab named
>>>>>>>>> "Scout".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My dog, Landon is named for Michael Landon actor in the old TV
>>>>>>>>> series, "Bonanza" - Little Joe who was always fighting!  The
>> actor
>>>>>>>>> Landon was also in "Little House on the Prairie" and I think
>>>>>>>>> "Stairway to Heaven". He was a more mature and peaceful
>> charactor on
>>>>>>>>> those two shows! I enjoyed the first two shows!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My old dogs were Heidi, Charm (and she was!), Brownie (my Mom
>> said
>>>>>>>>> for her brown eyes - she was black!), Olivia, Hanna, Janelle,
>> Jacob,
>>>>>>>>> and now Landon. I liked all the names and didn't feel the need
>> to
>>>>>>>>> change them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:37 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about
>>>>>>>>> young person
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rox,
>>>>>>>>>>    When I first heard my future guide dog's name, my first
>>>>>>>>>> impression was, "Oh, no! That will need to change!" However,
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> more I have learned about him, the more his name seems to fit
>> him!
>>>>>>>>>> He is a big German Shepherd,weighing in at 91 lbs. about three
>>>>>>>>>> weeks ago and not yet 2 years old. He has an all black face and
>>
>>>>>>>>>> gold eyes! His name is Sarge!
>>>>>>>>>>    Now, I'm a fairly liberal person and would consider myself a
>>
>>>>>>>>>> peace activist, so the name seemed a little out-of-place for
>> me. At
>>>>>>>>>> the same time, my first trainer was also the Founder and
>> Executive
>>>>>>>>>> Director of the school from which I recieved my first three
>> guide
>>>>>>>>>> dogs. He is now the Director of Training (I think they call it
>>>>>>>>>> Training Officer) for the Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind.
>> His
>>>>>>>>>> name? Well, Mike Sargeant, often called "Sarge"! When I spoke
>> with
>>>>>>>>>> him the last time, he referred to my dog as "my namesake"! Mike
>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a great guy and I count him as a close colleague, so I couldn't
>>
>>>>>>>>>> change Sarge's name now! BTW, Mike told me he thought of
>> changing
>>>>>>>>>> Sarge's name himself just to rattle my cage! To what? Well, he
>> said
>>>>>>>>>> he thought of "ACB"! Nice guy, huh? And I call him a friend?
>> (big
>>>>>>>>>> grin)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "The Pawpower Pack" <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about
>>
>>>>>>>>>> young person
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I adopted Laveau from the humane society, her name was
>> Marge.
>>>>>>>>>>> That had to go because... it just did.  It didn't take her
>> long to
>>>>>>>>>>> switch and now when I say or sign her name she wags like
>> crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>> She was only a year old and I don't know how long she had been
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> stuck with the horrid moniker of Marge.  No offense to anyone
>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> that name but it just wasn't for her.  Also I'm a huge Harry
>>>>>>>>>>> Potter fan and everyone would have called her aunt Marge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
>>>>>>>>>>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>>>>>>>>>>> "It's wildly irritating to have invented something as
>>>>>>>>>>> revolutionary as sarcasm, only to have it abused by amateurs."
>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Christopher Moore
>>>>>>>>>>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Live Only: Brisomania at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: Brissysgirl Yahoo: lillebriss
>>>>>>>>>>>
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